I suppose so but there is also the fact that he did it for fun that rubs people the wrong way - in fact he not only did it for fun, he also bribed a few locals to go out of his way to do it, no less to an iconic species that is nearing extinction. When you correlate all these factors, it's quite different from having a burger.
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I suppose so but there is also the fact that he did it for fun that rubs people the wrong way - in fact he not only did it for fun, he also bribed a few locals to go out of his way to do it, no less to an iconic species that is nearing extinction. When you correlate all these factors, it's quite different from having a burger.
I love eating animals, but I am also an animal lover, I could never hurt one for no reason.
I worked in a slaughter house many years ago during my summer holidays when I was at college, it was grim watching lorries full of chickens come in one end and tasty KFC come out the other, but people have to eat.
Killing animals like this however, its just awful.
I worked in a slaughter house many years ago during my summer holidays when I was at college, it was grim watching lorries full of chickens come in one end and tasty KFC come out the other, but people have to eat.
Killing animals like this however, its just awful.
This shit needs to carry a serious sentence .
Eco tourism is a better way to promote conservation imo. I've visited several Safari lodges in southern Africa and am convinced its more rational and humane than feeding into the hunting for sport culture, which is increasingly unacceptable to many.
What a bitch ass coward. If you want to kill a lion for fun, at least have the cojones to approach it barehanded.
Hope he gets his c'nuppins
Hope he gets his c'nuppins
I agree that on the surface it's more disgusting and would produce a more visceral reaction. From a utilitarian point of view however, the only extra harm done is that he murdered the lion, went home, and then presumably ate meat from a different animal. If he had eaten the lion, in a utilitarian way, there isn't much to separate him IMO.
Of course I accept that no one, not even Peter Singer and definitely not me, can always look at an event dispassionately and come to a rational decision all the time, especially when it's something that's so openly disgusting.
Didn't we have this out in the meat thread where I ended up trying to estimate roadkill per human per year?
Anyway, animal agriculture is the no.1 cause of climate change. More than the airplanes I'm apparently always flying in.
So you should change that to, cattle and pigs you should care about so you show you care about polar bears too
We did indeed, but firstly I wasn't convinced that I was a murderer and secondly the intricacies of the moral arguments/justifications still interest me.
As in this instance.
Some guy pays a small fortune into the African economy so he can kill a lion = bad.
We in the developed world destroy the lions habitat through global warming but we won't give up the 4X4?
Not to mention the fact that we already wiped out our own countries habitat for wild animals by chopping down all the trees and turning it into more productive farm land while we now argue that its wrong for other countries to do the same.
Plenty of hypocrisy to share out on this one.
Let's get into the intricacies. I'm bored.
That small fortune isn't going into the "African economy". It's not going into some fund to fight poachers. It's going into the private pockets of the elite in Zimbabwe, a country so corrupt and mismanaged that their currency is worthless.
On the flip side the developed world is actively fighting global warming through even more restrictive regulations to curb carbon emissions and promote green energy.
Our ancestors did, but the past 100 years have seen an almost complete reversal in terms of land conservation efforts e.g. the Green fence in Germany, countless national parks in America.
I'm sure there is but you (and me) need to dig deeper. These won't cut it.
hunting an animal to feel mighty powerfull with a weapon that allows you to do it from 200 yards, while the lion doesnt even know you exist is an act of cowardice and should be condemned
and to compare killing breed animals for food to killing animals that are endangered to get a kick of adrenaline is ridiculous
is like comparing eating a salad with the deforestation of the amazonas
and to compare killing breed animals for food to killing animals that are endangered to get a kick of adrenaline is ridiculous
is like comparing eating a salad with the deforestation of the amazonas
Hardly. Europe made mistakes with its wildlife and recognises that fact, that doesn't mean we just sit and watch while everyone else does the same.
Yep, I'd much rather take pictures of exotic animals than kill them.
https://twitter.com/RiverBlufDental
The wanker's twitter is positively trolling. The real twitter too, their website links to it. He regrets the publicity he's getting, not killing the lion; he'd be perfectly happy if it were a lion that weren't famous and he didn't receive the backlash he has, there's no guilt there. There's no conscience.
The wanker's twitter is positively trolling. The real twitter too, their website links to it. He regrets the publicity he's getting, not killing the lion; he'd be perfectly happy if it were a lion that weren't famous and he didn't receive the backlash he has, there's no guilt there. There's no conscience.
He even has teeth so white they are offensive.
This man needs to be hunted down.
This man needs to be hunted down.
Think that's a spoof account mate.
I can't decide, the dental practice's website actually links to it. It seems like it's so obviously trolling but frankly, given the attitude the man has towards animals I wouldn't be surprised if that's actually how he would react.
Hunting any animal that is even remotely in danger should be illegal. Poachers and cnuts like this are single handedly changing the world in that beautiful animals are dying, rapidly.
The only animals that I agree on killing are farmyard ones, mainly because there's probably as many of them as humans and because billions of people eat them.
The only animals that I agree on killing are farmyard ones, mainly because there's probably as many of them as humans and because billions of people eat them.
I don't think it's a spoof either, they keep reiterating that they're making "light out of a negative situation"... and that they're not responsible for Mr. Palmers actions. They don't have to be so fecking cold about it, they clearly don't give a shit.
I personally know Dr Palmer (the guy who shot the lion).
The people who are sending him death threats are disgusting. The man has a family and loved ones. His dental operations has been shut down. The entire story is just terribly sad.
The people who are sending him death threats are disgusting. The man has a family and loved ones. His dental operations has been shut down. The entire story is just terribly sad.
He seems to believe he was misled by the guides. Sad story all around.
While I don't agree with the death threats, I have no sympathy for a man who can afford to pay $50,000 to kill an endangered animal purely for the thrill of killing. There's a word for people who feel a sense of thrill, gratification or enjoyment when they kill something: psychopath.
US Fish & Wildlife are hunting him now. Ignorance is not a defense so feck him if he gets convicted.
If he didn't enjoy killing things, he wouldn't have been misled. He's a disgusting human being, the only sad thing about it on his side is he's unlikely to face the charges and prosecution he deserves.
Was he misled when they dragged meat behind their vehicle to lure the lion out of the National Park where he was protected?
That's the part that doesn't make sense. He's either extremely gullible as to what he was told or is lying.
I'm not for it one way or the other, but sometimes, hunting animals is necessary. For instance in Minnesota, it's common during the fall to have "Wolf hunting season" to keep the population of wolves low because of resources and such. I'm not an ecologist, but there's a delicate balance needed.
Actually just recently, Obama banned wolf hunting so nevermind. But things like deer hunting exist because of not only on economic benefits, but also provides funding to Wildlife management due to people going out and buying licenses to hunt. The hunter dollars not only benefit the hunting industry but also provide badly-needed revenue throughout many of the rural areas.
He's lying; he's done it before and then lied about it.
Why only him though? Thousands have done it before and will continue to do it. Who are these organizations allowing animals to be hunted down? Why has he been targeted alone and not the system itself?
Obviously poaching is a very large problem in Africa, but the issue is not about the killing of animals -- it's all about the money for these corrupt organizations. As long as they get paid for the killing of animals, they are well satisfied.
Sorry, no. The part where he poached the lion is sad. The rest, excluding the death threats, is fully deserved.
Tell him he shouldn't be such an asshole. Go bowling or collect stamps. I hope he loses his right to own firearms.
All of them. Anyone who kills an animal like that deserves this, however 'unfortunately' for him he is the one who has been caught out. Anyone who kills an animal in this way deserves the reaction he has got, excluding the death threats. It's absolutely despicable. Just think; if he wasn't a psychopath who got his thrills from taking life, this wouldn't have happened to him. He is though, he's a psychopath who enjoys taking life and he's a disgusting excuse for a human. I hope his family is fecking ashamed of him.
This is just a new trend where sport hunters who parade their dead animals on social media are going to be heavily ostracized for it. Anyone remember the Melissa Bachman situation from a couple of years ago ? She's oddly enough also from Minnesota and had similar treatment from social media after posing with her dead lion.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/catesevilla...an-angers-entire-internet-after-sh#.jd6Y7ak6K
http://www.buzzfeed.com/catesevilla...an-angers-entire-internet-after-sh#.jd6Y7ak6K
Isn't it actually an old trend where assholes get called out for being assholes?
Not just sport hunters, though. In the digital era anyone who goes online to brag about reprehensible behaviour better be ready to face the music. The same applies to people who try to keep similar activities private but are later outed in the press.
Does the music do much harm though? Except for isolated cases the perps just keep it moving.
I'd have to agree. I'm not gonna defend him. Apparently, he may have bribed the Zimbabwean Park officials to allow him to hunt the lion.
Well, in this case it seems to have had some pretty dire consequences. There are other examples of people losing their livelihood, too.
Can you represent all of us and go shit in his dentist bag? Does a dentist have a bag?
Perhaps. If he posts bail and goes back to practicing, I will carry out the deed.
This has absolutely nothing to do with a privileged guy spending a small fortune to fly over to Africa and shoot some lions.
Do you live in Minnesota? Perhaps file a complaint with the State Dental Association or ADA, citing disreputable conduct. See if they'll take his license away. At a minimum it will put him in an uncomfortable spot.