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Compton22 said:
Reading some replies on here to pessimistic posts, it's almost like I'm living in some parallel universe where every single signing we have made the last 10 years has been an undeniable success and that these cautious and negative posters are being unreasonable :lol:

Face it, 95% of the signings we have made, even supposedly world class ones, have not worked out. So I think people can be forgiven for being skeptical, rather than being shut down and told to accept just how great this signing is going to be
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We have never signed anyone close to the current ability and profile of Casemiro.
 
Definitely the type of player we need in the side right now to stop the slide. Monster of a DM. Lot of money mind for a 30 year old, although DM’s do have longer shelf life than most positions. Should give the players a boost as well. Still need another midfielder IMO.
 
Laurencio said:
We have never signed anyone close to the current ability and profile of Casemiro.
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We actually have

BFS
Di Maria
Zlatan
Varane (I swear I was excited and didn't expect him coming)
Ronaldo

All goes to shite overnight, literally.

With Veron at least it was clear he's still a great player that just don't suit our style. With the above... I don't even know how they can be so bad overnight.

We have the anti midas touch
 
We have been crying out for a DM for years and now we're signing the best DM in the world... And people are still moaning :lol:
 
matsdf said:
We have been crying out for a DM for years and now we're signing the best DM in the world... And people are still moaning :lol:
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People are usually sheep.

How in the feck can some moan about us signing one of the best DM's on the planet is beyond me.
 
Compton22 said:
Reading some replies on here to pessimistic posts, it's almost like I'm living in some parallel universe where every single signing we have made the last 10 years has been an undeniable success and that these cautious and negative posters are being unreasonable :lol:

Face it, 95% of the signings we have made, even supposedly world class ones, have not worked out. So I think people can be forgiven for being skeptical, rather than being shut down and told to accept just how great this signing is going to be
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It's because the majority of our signings of all types have largely been failures that it's ridiculous to be negative about niche preferences, like age or the width of their left leg. It would be understandable if it was general skepticism but it's not, it's people being strangely specific with their preferences.
 
matsdf said:
We have been crying out for a DM for years and now we're signing the best DM in the world... And people are still moaning :lol:
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We still have shite owners, a shite team, we are sitting bottom of the league, conceded 6 goals and only an own goal to our name but yes... a desperation signing 2 weeks before the window ends makes everything better :D
 
therealtboy said:
I’m guessing Edemilson, Thiago Motta(switched to Italy) Emerson( Roma one) Maicon, Dani Alves, Cafu, Gilberto Silva, Thiago Silva, Fernandinho, Lucio aren’t all Brazilians. They all played at a high level past their 30s but go ahead and make up stuff. This is a great signing, best DM in the world and adds balance and protection to the team.
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Honestly I'm under the impression that England, France or Netherland have a worse record with over 30 years old top players than Brazil.
 
Lyng said:
I have a feeling that with Martinez instead of Maguire as partner, and Casemiro in front of them, we will see a very different Varane.
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I just want to see Varane full stop.
 
Compton22 said:
We still have shite owners, a shite team, we are sitting bottom of the league, conceded 6 goals and only an own goal to our name but yes... a desperation signing 2 weeks before the window ends makes everything better :D
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Nobody said that.
 
Real Madrid fan here to give you the facts about Casemiro since I’ve read a lot of pure BS in this thread from people without a clue:

- Casemiro is my favorite Real Madrid player. He is a winner, a warrior, humble, professional, never injured, always puts the team before himself. He is a Real Madrid legend forever and someone that hurts to lose more than Ronaldo, because he Real died for the Real Madrid shirt.

- Casemiro is the best destroyer of opposition attacks the world has ever seen. Real Madrid was always unbalanced unt Casemiro came into the picture. With him we won 4 CL titles where he was absolutely vital. Without him it would’ve been impossible, just rewatch the CL final versus Liverpool and you’ll see a pure Casemiro masterclass, without him Liverpool would have won the CL title.

- Casemiros strengths and what he provides far exceeded what we see on the pitch. He has kept the young players humble by being a older brother that keeps them grounded, Vini, Rodrygo, Militao, Valverde etc all look up to Casemiro and keep their feet on the ground because of him.

- When Real Madrid lost to Athletics 7-3 in the summer a couple of years ago he cut his vacation short and told his wife and daughter daddy has a problem at work. He couldn’t bare to see us like that, he came back weeks earlier and we won the league that season.

- When Rodrygo celebrated a goal in pre season, Casemiro grabbed him by the ear and told him to shut up and work hard, we don’t celebrate these goals we celebrate titles at Real Madrid, Rodrygo last year took us through against Chelsea and City.

- He is so well respected, loved and revered. Even the ones who complain about his lapses in concentration sometimes are sad he is leaving, cause there is not a single player in top football that can replace him. He is head and shoulders above them all thanks to what he provides off the pitch.

- He is a big game player, always rises to the occasion, always bullies the opposition, always in the right place at the right time. Take the first leg against City as an example, Casemiro missed that game due to suspension and RM let in 4 goals that could’ve been a lot more. In the return leg he was back and City scored 1. I decking LOVE CASEMIRO.

- He is so underrated by the common man it’s crazy. I’m so happy for him he gets to prove himself in the EPL.This is in my book the best signing United has done in at least 10 years. Don’t compare him to Varane, personality wise Casemiro is an alpha and Varane not so much.

- His long balls and passing play is underrated. He can score goals, he will frustrate the opposition and he will never FOLD like the losers you currently have in United.

- Casemiro is miles better acquisition than De Jong. Your team will benefit immensely by his leadership, professionalism and his ready to die for the shirt attitude.

- I wish Casemiro all the best and I am sure with him in the team you can compete for top 4 if Ronaldo stays, that’s how good he is, he is the difference between competing and being out of it.

I love you Casemiro, one of my favorite Real Madrid players ever, he deserves the new salary and a new challenge, it’s a great deal for all parties involved. I guarantee that he can easily give you 5 years of pure class. He’s far from being on the decline, he is in his prime!
 
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I'm completely shocked by this signing. To go from Rabiot to Casemiro is like going from microwave lasagna to dining in a high class restaurant.

In an ideal world, yes, we should be looking at up and comers on their first and second contracts. However, given how directionless and scattergun the club is, the fact we've lucked into being able to sign a world class holding midfielder is astonishing. The #8s we have to pair him with aren't Kroos and Modric level. However, we have gone from having no #6 in the squad (barring Garner) to having one that is among the best in the world. That's a mad level of improvement.
 
For those asking if Casemiro would fit into EtHs style, Casemiro is a dream player for all types of coaches

When working under Zidane, Zidane asked him to arrive at the box and shoot if there is a chance, he was asked to contribute offensively which honed his game further, he is very intelligent defensively, very physical and mobile, but he knows that using his head is far better and that's why he his positioning and reading of the game is very good..

He'd fit easily into Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, Someone or Mourinho teams.

What makes players like Casemiro, Busquets, Kimmich and Fabinho special and excellent DMs is not their passing, physicality or all that, what makes them elite is their ability to read the game and defensive awareness, we never had a player who can do at an elite level since Carrick, Matic was very good at it for a bit with us but never had that "elite" level and he dropped few levels
 
What is worrying with Varane is the injuries, if he can stay fit for longer than a couple of months then i don't question his ability to find form. With Casemiro he doesn't look to be injury prone and defensive midfield is one of the areas where you should really be able to play until a late age. Would like to see a midfield of Casemiro and two numbers 8s in front of him, Fred and another midfielder would be good. I hope with this signing we move away from always playing a double pivot with bruno as the 10, would like us to have a far more balanced midfield. If that means Bruno gets benched then im fine with that, we need to start controlling games.
 
We are literally desperate for a midfielder and we are signing one of the best midfielders in the world who is the exact type we need. I am rather happy.
 
Good point on Talksport (for once) that would you sign De Bruyne who is a year older for 60m?
 
JPRouve said:
It's because the majority of our signings of all types have largely been failures that it's ridiculous to be negative about niche preferences, like age or the width of their left leg. It would be understandable if it was general skepticism but it's not, it's people being strangely specific with their preferences.
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Like it or not, age is a genuine concern, especially when our own transfer policy and strategy has been so erratic. His profile of player was not even on our list of transfer targets this summer.

Real Madrid have brought suitable replacements for Casemiro over the past couple of windows. Maybe because they forsee his decline happening relatively soon which, if it does happen in the next year, means we are stuck with another declining player on high wages and on a long term contract who we can't shift off to another club.
 
Sky1981 said:
We actually have

BFS
Di Maria
Zlatan
Varane (I swear I was excited and didn't expect him coming)
Ronaldo

All goes to shite overnight, literally.

With Veron at least it was clear he's still a great player that just don't suit our style. With the above... I don't even know how they can be so bad overnight.

We have the anti midas touch
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None of them were the best in the world in their position at the time we signed them, and at their peak. Perhaps you could make an argument for Cristiano being one of the best in his position - but at 36 we always knew we weren't getting the peak version. Varane is too early to tell for me, but he wasn't the best centreback in the world two seasons ago - he was coming off a covid plagued season and had some niggling injuries that prevented him from getting a good start as well.

Di Maria never wanted to come and everything surrounding that transfer was a mess - in this case Casemiro has asked to be allowed to leave and that is a huge difference.
 
He’s 30 years old and whilst I have reservations about signing players at this age for that sort of money but then I realise I’m 32 and in my prime when it comes to peak fitness.
 
Compton22 said:
We still have shite owners, a shite team, we are sitting bottom of the league, conceded 6 goals and only an own goal to our name but yes... a desperation signing 2 weeks before the window ends makes everything better :D
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Signing arguably the best player in his position in world football to fill a position we have been weakest in for years is not a desperation move ffs.
feck Utd for improving their team right? Maybe we should be relaxed about having a shit team, would that make us less desperate and look better?
 
Sky1981 said:
We actually have

BFS
Di Maria
Zlatan
Varane (I swear I was excited and didn't expect him coming)
Ronaldo

All goes to shite overnight, literally.

With Veron at least it was clear he's still a great player that just don't suit our style. With the above... I don't even know how they can be so bad overnight.

We have the anti midas touch
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Zlatan was great for us though.
 
You know sometimes as a supporter there is just a type of player that embodies what you want in a player? For me it has always been Roy Keane, way ahead of the (probably more talented) flair players/attackers that we have had. Well it finally feels like we've got another in Casemiro. A leader, a shithouse that opponents will probably actually fear playing against for the first time in decades. And actually a very good footballer too, which gets overlooked.

I know the links to Caicedo have gone quiet right now, but I'm dreaming of him and Fred ahead of Casemiro for the simple fact that we will never get out-run or out-fought again for a long time. It is a midfield or terriers who could probably implement an aggressive press, but with quality to play good football. We'll have the likes of Eriksen and Bruno to throw in the mix, depending on the requirements for each game. I hope we follow it up with Caicedo. He'd be a b2b/8 that will be nurtured to step into Casemiro's role once he is ready to be replaced.
 
Adam-Utd said:
If you said at the start of the window we'd sign Eriksen and Casemiro, I think we'd all be very happy.
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The Caf would still find a way to complain even then..

Compton22 said:
Reading some replies on here to pessimistic posts, it's almost like I'm living in some parallel universe where every single signing we have made the last 10 years has been an undeniable success and that these cautious and negative posters are being unreasonable :lol:

Face it, 95% of the signings we have made, even supposedly world class ones, have not worked out. So I think people can be forgiven for being skeptical, rather than being shut down and told to accept just how great this signing is going to be
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Compton22 said:
We still have shite owners, a shite team, we are sitting bottom of the league, conceded 6 goals and only an own goal to our name but yes... a desperation signing 2 weeks before the window ends makes everything better :D
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So your last post confirms you’d not be happy with anything yet would be the first to complain if the club did nothing.
 
RaddyRed said:
Good point on Talksport (for once) that would you sign De Bruyne who is a year older for 60m?
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No comparison, they are a different profile of player. 60m for De Bruyne right now is an absolute bargain. Can't say the same about Casemiro
 
Lots of praise of him on the Caf. Have honestly rarely seen him play. Is he that good?
 
Compton22 said:
No comparison, they are a different profile of player. 60m for De Bruyne right now is an absolute bargain. Can't say the same about Casemiro
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They are both one of the best in the world right now in their position. Casemiro has a better I Jury record a d better medal haul.
 
Sky1981 said:
We actually have

BFS
Di Maria
Zlatan
Varane (I swear I was excited and didn't expect him coming)
Ronaldo

All goes to shite overnight, literally.

With Veron at least it was clear he's still a great player that just don't suit our style. With the above... I don't even know how they can be so bad overnight.

We have the anti midas touch
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Zlatan!? He was excellent for at least a season and then injuries hit.
 
AdNani said:
Our biggest issue for the last year has been how easy it is to play through our midfield and there being no protection for the CB's.
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Whatever about previous years, that's a misread of which current issues are more pressing than others.

Our current, first principle problems are in possession. We struggle to keep it under pressure, we lose it in the wrong areas, we struggle to play from the back and we struggle to progress the ball up the pitch. From that you get bad turnovers and struggles to deal with transitions, which is the secondary problem. But with us placing even more emphasis on possession with our choice of manager, those first principle problems have increased even more in importance.

The Brentford game highlighted the point perfectly. Our issues weren't in dealing with transitions, it was (as Toney said) our inability to deal with being pressed. "We knew the high press would effect them, and it did".

FDJ would have done more to address that primary problem, by offering a press-resistant and progressive option in that deeper midfield position. Casemiro doesn't. He addresses a secondary problem, which is how we cope in some situations once possession has already been lost.

Which is great. But if another team tries to do what Brentford does and press us in those areas, it doesn't help us much. There's a reason ETH's primary target was FDJ and a secondary target a ball playing CB. He knew getting more ability in possession in those areas was a priority.
 
sullydnl said:
That midfield really doesn't look at all balanced to me.

This isn't international football, where that Casemiro/Fred pairing works. Presses like the one we saw against Brentford are way more intense and much better drilled than anything they face at international level. If it's Casemiro and Fred in those deeper positions we'll keep struggling on the ball in exactly the same way we did against Brentford, we'll just defend transitions better afterwards. It isn't exactly Eriksen's natural game either.

Fred desperately needs upgrading to a more possession capable midfielder for that to actually be balanced.
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Well. It's still balanced, in terms of the job the different players in the trio are capable of doing. A holding midfielder, a pressing midfielder, and a playmaker.

What you're saying is that it's not good enough to compete for major titles because of certain deficiencies, particularly on the ball. Which is true. But it's still better and much more balanced than Casemiro-Eriksen-Bruno.
 
TheReligion said:
So your last post confirms you’d not be happy with anything yet would be the first to complain if the club did nothing.
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How'd you come to that conclusion? Clearly if we had a coherent strategy with the profile of player identified and through the door before pre season, that would be infinitely better. Both doing nothing and panic buying at this stage are equally as bad imo.
 
This wouldn't be unlike Chelsea signing 31 year old Makelele, he turned out okay for them.
 
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