Why praise a player because we're all sick to death of that! Let's shit on him instead.
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Yeah, Bruno who’s notoriously known for being extremely wasteful and a huge risk taker
What’s mad? It’s true, he’s not a good passer and we desperately need one next to bim
My bad. Casemiro good! No, Casemiro great!
Now we really need a high volume passer next to him
Good passer and high volume passer are two different things, you can be a good passer and a mid volume one too.
I understand how it becomes fashionable here to crap on world class players like Casemiro, but it is not possible to heap enough praise on the man. Simply astonishing how great he is, including his play with the ball.
It was a good team but not as good as it became, that midfield especially is light compared to Casemiro - Kroos - Modric.
My point was more the calibre of teams around. I did say the Real team was good, it was the rest of the teams in Europe that were poor. United were crap by 2010/11. We won the league with a really low points total. Chelsea who were good in that era weren't good that season. Inter lost Mourinho and had the fat spanish waiter (if I remember correctly). Bayern you could argue were good but even then they weren't as good as they became. And of course Schalke made the semis.
So in 10/11 when they won the CL, the only genuinely good team was Real. Compared to 17/18 when Real faced PSG, Bayern, Juve and Liverpool. And then you had one or two other teams like City and Barca that were decent too.
That midfield was untouchable at club and international level for 4 years. It started unraveling after pep left, xavi got old, Messi became less of a team player, experimenting with Fabregas and Sanchez and going away from the 4-3-3.
But in their prime the outcome of every single midfield battle was already decided. The only question was if the opponent could counter through the wings and expose the defense quickly. There was no question of actually winning in the middle. The teams who did beat them or came close (Inter and Chelsea) stood off, stayed organized, and countered. Real after the 5-0 pressed very high, and if that failed, fell very deep.
You can argue about the opponents, but equally their level of dominance was something else. Real won a lot of even games vs Bayern, for example. Small margins.
Barca generally didn't do close fought victories. Usually they dominated the game and won, or they dominated the game and lost (Chelsea 2012). There's 3 games in that entire span where they created only as much or less than their opponents: their only lucky win (Chelsea 2009), Madrid's title winning clasico 2-1, and the inter 3-1.
And about the opponents, Barca=/=Spain but the same core in the same style dominated very good midfields of Italy and Germany.
It's why the away game at arsenal was so weird, they actually contested the midfield and made it an even fight.
But in their prime the outcome of every single midfield battle was already decided. The only question was if the opponent could counter through the wings and expose the defense quickly. There was no question of actually winning in the middle. The teams who did beat them or came close (Inter and Chelsea) stood off, stayed organized, and countered. Real after the 5-0 pressed very high, and if that failed, fell very deep.
You can argue about the opponents, but equally their level of dominance was something else. Real won a lot of even games vs Bayern, for example. Small margins.
Barca generally didn't do close fought victories. Usually they dominated the game and won, or they dominated the game and lost (Chelsea 2012). There's 3 games in that entire span where they created only as much or less than their opponents: their only lucky win (Chelsea 2009), Madrid's title winning clasico 2-1, and the inter 3-1.
And about the opponents, Barca=/=Spain but the same core in the same style dominated very good midfields of Italy and Germany.
It's why the away game at arsenal was so weird, they actually contested the midfield and made it an even fight.
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Reminds me of the Yaya Toure transfer from Barcelona to City. Same impact, same skepticism, same dominance...
The other great midfield trio that gave me this feeling was the Milan team in the mid/ late 2000s. The combination of Pirlo - Seedorf - Gattuso/ Ambrosini. The 3(4) of them were all in their peak years. I recall there was a Champions League 2nd leg at the San Siro where we were thoroughly outclassed in midfield by this group.
Wilshere having the game of his life aside, I think the stats were skewed a bit by Pep's self-sabotage. Barca were 1-0 up and cruising and he took off Villa. Without his threat upfront it became much easier for Assna to push up and that helped with their ball retention.
Yes Casemiro misplaces some passed because he is being asked to make risky passes at times. The sort of passes that make the opposition nervous to push too high up the pitch because your DM is cutting through their lines on a regular basis. His general passing is very good and yes he loses the ball when trying to make more progressive vertical passes but we don't have the control in midfield to offload that to someone else at the moment. Its also a really useful quality in a DM.
Its one of the massive reasons he is such an upgrade for us. Previously teams knew that with a whiff of pressure our deep lying midfielders would play sideways and slow the game down because they had no idea where their teammates were. Thats all changed now.
Unsurprisingly he is not KDB with his passing. He does however read the game really well and know where all his teammates are and what balls are on. That allows him to make seemingly "hit and hope" passes that actually go to our forwards.
Its one of the massive reasons he is such an upgrade for us. Previously teams knew that with a whiff of pressure our deep lying midfielders would play sideways and slow the game down because they had no idea where their teammates were. Thats all changed now.
Unsurprisingly he is not KDB with his passing. He does however read the game really well and know where all his teammates are and what balls are on. That allows him to make seemingly "hit and hope" passes that actually go to our forwards.
Oh man. Not only you decided to name your unborn after Casemiro but also you chucked out the family planning in the first place and infact decided to have another child in his honour.
@Mr Pigeon if you had to guess, which cafite would you say is more likely to have written this Reddit comment on Case yesterday?
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I’m shocked to see him being voted as the best player in the world in his position. He’s never been a great player. Just a steady a eddy.
It's only 'cos Modric is in there too you see, so he can carry him to being a somewhat acceptable footballer.
He gives me Rafa Nadal vibes - gentle and soft spoken off the pitch, but transforms into a beast as soon as he steps on the court/pitch
Anyone else saw Casemiro apologising to the fans for not being able to speak English and explaining he’s trying to learn the language and culture so he can communicate with everyone including the staff.
Seems such a great guy.
Seems such a great guy.
He is not a playmaker. A playmaker should be following him, taking right position to receive the ball.
It’s a YouTube short mate so the old fashioned Caf is a faff to post it.
You’ll find it easy enough though?
Man Utd 3:1 West Ham
Elevates everyone.
Ridiculously good.
Cheat mode
Best player on the pitch. So much more than a CDM, a real box to box midfielder
Should've played this half with his suit.
Hes so so good
We need a CM more than any other position imo. The difference between us with him and without is night and day, we need more quality in midfield. Absolute class act.
He is so good that the numerous shanked passes don't even register as significant. He is so smart in his decision making, it is like a superpower.
We’ve arguably had better passers in midfield (Scholes..just!)
and we’ve had absolute box to box, leader, legends (keane, robson)
and we’ll probs only get a few great seasons out of him if we are lucky….
but he might be the most complete midfielder I’ve ever seen at United.
he can do literally everything. Passing, scoring, leading, tackling, positioning. He is phenomenal.
and we’ve had absolute box to box, leader, legends (keane, robson)
and we’ll probs only get a few great seasons out of him if we are lucky….
but he might be the most complete midfielder I’ve ever seen at United.
he can do literally everything. Passing, scoring, leading, tackling, positioning. He is phenomenal.
He is our true playmaker tbh.
Loved it when he was grabbing and shouting at Bruno after he lost it then won it back - nice to have nutters who only want to win again
Well said. All of his passes had an intent to speed things up and it's a massive difference with McT/Sabitzer. He is levels above them
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