Carrick's First Team

JB7 said:
Defensive line is nothing to do with Maguire. I appreciate people think that because he's relatively slow but that's not the case, he is perfectly capable in a higher line and dropping him would not achieve your desired effect.
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This line up is based on fit and in form (relatively) players. No Varane as well.
 
ThinkTank@Cafe said:
This line up is based on fit and in form (relatively) players. No Varane as well.
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I was going off the bolder comment relating to dropping Maguire to enable us to play a high line. If that’s not what you meant apologies.
 
Would love to see the reaction if the team is identical to one Ole puts out.
 
He'll start VdB without a doubt, there's no way he'll start the same dull line up Ole did. He's going to try to prove he can bring something different into the table.
 
Tonight we'll know how much of a hand Ole had in the tactics and team selection.
 
romufc said:
Would love to see the reaction if the team is identical to one Ole puts out.
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I think there will some nickname made up for Carrick and it won't be pretty. Criticism has already started and he hasn't even had one game.
 
Real Name said:
I think there will some nickname made up for Carrick and it won't be pretty. Criticism has already started and he hasn't even had one game.
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Yeah literally, some of our fans are the worst. Let’s hope he has a good few games before Poch or whoever takes over so the vultures here don’t start picking away at him.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Yeah literally, some of our fans are the worst. Let’s hope he has a good few games before Poch or whoever takes over so the vultures here don’t start picking away at him.
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If he will have few good games you'll here them hoping it wont last long so it doesn't make the board give him a permanent job.
 
the_cliff said:
Probably forced to play DVB cos of his performance and the fans reaction. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes 3 at the back.

I'm going:
De Gea
Lindelof Maguire Bailly
AWB Fred DVB Shaw
Bruno
Ronaldo Rashford/Sancho

I reckon he's more likely to go for Rashford than Sancho tbf to try and hit them on the counter.
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Two of your back 3 are absolute liabilities.
 
TwoSheds said:
That's a hell fecking no for me. I do not want to watch Sancho and Greenwood go yet another entire game without looking up and trying to cross to the best header of the ball in the world. By all means switch over for 5 or 10 minutes here and there but I can't watch that dumbness for another 90 mins.
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then rashford for greenwood.
 


Dropped Bruno and gone with McFred and Donny.

Oof.
Not sure what to think of that.

Mctominay starting is still not nice to see, and Villarreal will sit deep and let us go at them.
 
justsomebloke said:
If you start from the positives these last few games:

- De Gea in great form
- Lindelof largely free of the horrenduous individual mistakes that have marred all the other defenders the last few games
- the vd Beek-Sancho combination in the second half against Watford

...and factor in the negatives:

- Shaw and Wan-Bissaka clearly out of form and lacking confidence
- Maguire a horror show, and Bailly still making far too many errors of judgment
- Marcus Rashford obviously not yet back in form
- McTominay among the worst performers lately, and clearly not suited to a situation where the team as a whole is struggling and where he has to operate in an environment that lacks structure. That's hard for anyone, but reading defensive situations doesn't seem to be his forte in the first place.
- Matic with a number of very ugly mistakes against Watford
- Bruno clearly out of form

...you get:

De Gea in goal
On the full backs, choose your poison: Continue with LS/AWB, or take your chances with the rather unproven option of Telles and Dalot. Either choice is hoping against better judgment.
On CB, play Lindelof. Hard to tell which is a worse choice right now between Maguire and Bailly.
Midfield; Fred and Donny. By default, and in Donny's case because he's earned it.
Forward line; Sancho for sure. Bruno, probably, unless you think he's too emotionally burned up right now. If so, give Lingard a shot. He deserves it. On the left - again, no very clear good choice. Stick with Rashford, yet another chance for Martial, or gamble on Amad.
Striker: I don't think you'd want to leave Ronaldo out in your first game as caretaker, and in any case he's been magic in the CL.
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I like that post.
 
Not hugely surprising to see McFred is it? Pogba is injured. Matic doesn't really seem to be able to play twice a week. So it was either Fred, McTominay & Van De Beek or Fred, Van de Beek and Bruno.
 
Carrick has absolutely done the right thing dropping Bruno - I had been crying our for a 4-3-3 since Southampton. Bravo!
 
sparx99 said:
Not hugely surprising to see McFred is it? Pogba is injured. Matic doesn't really seem to be able to play twice a week. So it was either Fred, McTominay & Van De Beek or Fred, Van de Beek and Bruno.
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This has worked well whenever it's been used, a total of two times.
 
I can see logic in it - Bruno doesn't deserve to start at the moment, even with the possibility that he can be and usually is the most creative player in the team.

On the other hand, you just hoped Maguire was culled because he needs it more than anyone. Lucky lucky man if you ask me.
 
This is a good line up , considering the absentees. May be Rashford for martial ,but I guess Martial deserves a chance . Bruno needed a breather he isn't playing well right now.
 
NewUser777 said:
I think we will see some changes. Not because he didn’t have large input before, but he now have to take responsibility. Something has to change.
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In his presser Carrick said he knew "exactly how we would play tonight"! Not sure whether that's a good sign or not.
Presumably in other games he didn't know how they would play, or maybe it was a nod to the fact that Ole gave the orders, he just followed them.
I agree, something has to change and lets be honest it can't get much worse. I believe some bookies are already quoting odds on our involvement in the Europa competition!!
 
Playing both Bruno and Ronaldo is half the problem Ole had imo. Ronaldo can't press and Bruno isn't that kind of player either. Only room for one free role in that side and forcing Bruno to defend is counterproductive.
 
2 keepers on the bench? Mcfred in midfield?

Yeah nothing will change till these jokers leave with Ole
 
To those giving out about McFred, who else was supposed to play? Bruno can't be trusted to keep positional discipline. Matic can hardly play again. We don't have any other players. We're leaking goals like mad, so we'll go away from home in Europe and drop a DM for an AM? Don't think so.
 
JB7 said:
It's crazy. People genuinely seem to believe it's just a coincidence that we've had the exact same defensive issues across several very different managers and god knows how many defenders over the past decade, the vast majority of which are usually more than competent before they sign for us, after they leave us and with their international sides.
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Add to that De Gea's record with his own international side, Spain basically went from being the best team in the world, to being absolute garbage when he was their number one.
Now that he's been dropped for Unai Simon they are back to being one of the best again, coincidence? Absolutely not.

Also, this blows a hole in the theory that De Gea has consistently had a poor defence in front of him for ten years for us and that's why he concedes so many goals.
Even if it is true that every single defender we've bought since he signed has been bad (which would be a pretty massive coincidence if true) then how do you explain him being so poor for Spain playing behind the likes of Ramos and Pique?

As I've said many times, Baresi and Maldini would concede goals playing in front of De Gea because he offers absolutely zero support to the defence.
 
It'd be funny if this lineup is actually a 442


Ronaldo Martial

VdB - Fred - McT - Sancho

Telles - Maguire - Lindelof - AWB​
 
Wonder which it is- if he feels like Martial and Van De Beek were harshly treated by Ole, or he's "resting" Bruno and Rashford, or are they dropped for performances and these were just the next guys up. Either way, I don't hate it. Bruno and Rashford are part of our best 11 but nobody is undroppable and we have good options to rotate too. Need to be used.
 
Assuming it's a 433....

We have quick, intricate passing players and players who like to get the ball out of their feet and run. We always mix them together and they're like chalk and cheese. This is the first lineup i can remember where the majority of the players fit one style of play. Fred, DVB, Martial and Sancho are all the quick, intricate passing type. McT sort of is, and Ronaldo is Ronaldo. I'm quite hopeful.
 
One forced change in Telles, Donny really too, given his performance last weekend, and then Bruno getting a rest which we all know he desperately needs. And Mason obviously out too. Surprised to see Martial in the team though. Thought Ole had given him ample opportunities to show he's not too lazy to play.
 
RuudTom83 said:
Carrick and McKenna were the coaches under Ole. So I’d find it a bit strange if the team setup/formation/personnel is massively different than what we have seen the last few months.

If Carrick makes big changes then I’d ask why he didn’t speak up sooner.

It’s all hearsay of course because none of us know what happens on the training pitch. But the “lack of tactics” criticism is very much on these two and not just Ole.
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Speak up? It was his input! “Lack of tactics” is a myth man. You’d have to be a real inexperienced newbie if believing that. Wrong, maybe. But lack of!? No, mate. The instructions entering that pitch is pretty intricate. Even in the 90’s I was handed a dossier of my instructions. I can’t blame a single game on my manager when I didn’t preform. It was all down to me, not getting in the right frame. It’s down to the players now. That balance is on them, and it’s about creating energy and doing their duties.
 
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