Car drives into crowd in New Orleans, dozens of casualties

Do we know if it’s brown terrorism or mental illness yet and other such tropes like thoughts and prayers
 
You’re going to have military barricades around events at this rate. Breach that perimeter and get riddled with bullets.

It’s clearly a go to method now and it is a really effective one. Something is going to have to be done.
 
Pexbo said:
Do we know if it’s brown terrorism or mental illness yet and other such tropes like thoughts and prayers
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I need to know too so I can figure out how angry I should be getting

Very sad though for all those injured or those who have lost loved ones.
 
Just so sad. Imagine being out with your family enjoying the festivities, and then for something like that to happen.

Truly awful and so very cowardly.
 
nimic said:
Source for that?
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It's on the bbc, but the same woman says they are still figuring out what's going on

"This is not a terrorist event," she says. This contradicts the mayor, who earlier described it as such.

There are "improvised explosive devices" found on scene, and they are working to find out if they are "viable" devices.

She stresses that the public should stay away from the area, "until we can figure out what is going on"
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VorZakone said:
New Orleans mayor described it as a terrorist attack but FBI denied it.
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He described it as such without any evidence, probably out of shock. It’s irresponsible, and the media should be careful about repeating what he said when investigators are refuting it.

The mayor is having a tough day, just hours before hosting an important sporting event. I’ll give him some benefit of the doubt for now.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
He described it as such without any evidence, probably out of shock. It’s irresponsible, and the media should be careful about repeating what he said when investigators are refuting it.

The mayor is having a tough day, just hours before hosting an important sporting event. I’ll give him some benefit of the doubt for now.
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I wonder what evidence the FBI have to be so conclusive this early

surely they'd need more than a few hours of investigating someone before making such a claim
 
ManUtd1999 said:
He described it as such without any evidence, probably out of shock. It’s irresponsible, and the media should be careful about repeating what he said when investigators are refuting it.

The mayor is having a tough day, just hours before hosting an important sporting event. I’ll give him some benefit of the doubt for now.
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What makes it irresponsible? It doesn't change anything.
 
nimic said:
What makes it irresponsible? It doesn't change anything.
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It does. People will be seeing “terror attack” on the screen when it believed not to be. Terror is viewed differently than other forms of violence; it’s just the reality of it, and rushing to use this term (or “white supremacy “ for that matter) is wrong and irresponsible. The mayor should just talk about what he knows. But, I guess that emotions are running high at the moment, and so I don’t blame him.

Tarrou said:
I wonder what evidence the FBI have to be so conclusive this early

surely they'd need more than a few hours of investigating someone before making such a claim
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I’m not sure about this. It was surprising to hear, but let’s see what they have in their next update.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
It does. People will be seeing “terror attack” on the screen when it believed not to be. Terror is viewed differently than other forms of violence; it’s just the reality of it, and rushing to use this term (or “white supremacy “ for that matter) is wrong and irresponsible. The mayor should just talk about what he knows. But, I guess that emotions are running high at the moment, and so I don’t blame him.
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I don't think people have less of a reason to be afraid and worried if this turns out to just be some guy who planned and committed a mass attack against civilians using weapons and explosives, as opposed to some guy who planned and committed a mass attack against civilians using weapons and explosives after swearing allegiance to ISIS.
 
nimic said:
I don't think people have less of a reason to be afraid and worried if this turns out to just be some guy who planned and committed a mass attack against civilians using weapons and explosives, as opposed to some guy who planned and committed a mass attack against civilians using weapons and explosives after swearing allegiance to ISIS.
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It’s not just about “more or less afraid,” it’s way beyond that. The reality is that in the public sphere and discourse, terrorism is viewed differently than usual acts of violence. This has always been the case, definitely since 2001.
 
Very odd detente on twitter until.the motivations of this evil.feck are known and if it's islamist / immigrant etc, the usual voices will.go into frothing rage. Obviously if its homegrown right-wing type then it's a false flag and nothing to see here, move on.
 
Superden said:
Very odd detente on twitter until.the motivations of this evil.feck are known and if it's islamist / immigrant etc, the usual voices will.go into frothing rage. Obviously if its homegrown right-wing type then it's a false flag and nothing to see here, move on.
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The opposite is, of course, also true. White right winger = why do governments ignore these fascist terrorists? Brown Islamist = well what do you expect with Western foreign policy the way it is?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The opposite is, of course, also true. White right winger = why do governments ignore these fascist terrorists? Brown Islamist = well what do you expect with Western foreign policy the way it is?
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I don't really understand what point you are trying to make here. Isn't it universally accepted that the rise in Islamic terrorism is a direct consequence of that foreign policy, especially the Iraq war?
 
HTG said:
I don't really understand what point you are trying to make here. Isn't it universally accepted that the rise in Islamic terrorism is a direct consequence of that foreign policy, especially the Iraq war?
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No, deaths from Islamic extremist terror pre GWOT exceed post GWOT.
 
HTG said:
In the West or worldwide?
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The West has had lesser incidents but far bigger body counts pre GWOT.

Averaged out, the world has seen more pre GWOT. A lot of Islamic fundamentalism atrocities was kind of whitewashed away because of who they targeted, for example Chechnyans massacring the entire grozhny local government.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The opposite is, of course, also true. White right winger = why do governments ignore these fascist terrorists? Brown Islamist = well what do you expect with Western foreign policy the way it is?
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This level of both sides-ism is not on. Nobody except Islamists themselves responds to a terror attack by ISIS by going "well what do you expect".
 
Of course this comes with the assumption that attacks in the two main targets of GWOT Iraq and Afghanistan do not count to this because the death counts are in the hundreds of thousands combined from forms of secular terror
 
nimic said:
This level of both sides-ism is not on. Nobody except Islamists themselves responds to a terror attack by ISIS by going "well what do you expect".
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You’d err be surprised at how popular things like 9/11 are in countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, gulf states etc.
 
nimic said:
This level of both sides-ism is not on. Nobody except Islamists themselves responds to a terror attack by ISIS by going "well what do you expect".
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I have read and heard that sentiment many, many times.
 
nimic said:
This level of both sides-ism is not on. Nobody except Islamists themselves responds to a terror attack by ISIS by going "well what do you expect".
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I don't think it's that rare in leftist/progressive circles to take an extremely critical view of US foreign policy and drawing lines between that and Islamist terror attacks. Not sympathizing, excusing, or endorsing, of course, but arguing for some degree of causality.
 
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