Car attack at Christmas market in Germany

Turns out the BBC had him on a program too, hes a walking-talking red flag and has been for years.

While he went on with impunity, german police spend their time arresting people for having a Palestinian flag.

 
Aboutreika18 said:
That's not the sort of post I'd expect from you.
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I’m not sure why? There have been several similar incidents over the past few years in Germany, although perhaps not every single year.
 
2cents said:
I’m not sure why? There have been several similar incidents over the past few years in Germany, although perhaps not every single year.
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There hadn't been an attack on a christmas market since 2016's Berlin and Ludwigshafen incidents. There was one incident of a 15y/o having intended to attack last year's christmas market in Leverkusen in the years between those two attacks, that's all. Get yourself sorted.
 
G3079 said:
There hadn't been an attack on a christmas market since 2016's Berlin and Ludwigshafen incidents. There was one incident of a 15y/o having intended to attack last year's christmas market in Leverkusen in the years between those two attacks, that's all. Get yourself sorted.
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I wasn’t thinking just in terms of attacks on Christmas markets, more violence of this type in general, though I can see why you might have assumed so.
 
Adisa said:
Anti Islamist attacks Christmas market. Not sure I understand his motives.
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The Ex-GDR is mainly atheist and Magdeburg only has 10% Christians. Christmas markets are the places to drink and eat a lot - I do not see them as very christian..
 
2cents said:
I wasn’t thinking just in terms of attacks on Christmas markets, more violence of this type in general, though I can see why you might have assumed so.
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Violence of what type? Right wing bastards (not that you could have known that at the time of your statement) driving their cars through crowds of people? Not a yearly happening either, thankfully.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Turns out the BBC had him on a program too, hes a walking-talking red flag and has been for years.

While he went on with impunity, german police spend their time arresting people for having a Palestinian flag.

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BBC having a shocking record of associating with all sorts of dodgy people.
 
G3079 said:
Violence of what type? Right wing bastards (not that you could have known that at the time of your statement) driving their cars through crowds of people? Not a yearly happening either, thankfully.
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Politically-motivated violence targeting civilians is what I had in mind. A quick check confirms that that type of violence has been occurring with some regularity in Germany over the last few years, although not necessarily at Christmas. If you are seeking to ascribe an anti-migrant or Islamophobic impulse to my post then you are way off the mark and just assuming the worst.
 
2cents said:
Politically-motivated violence targeting civilians is what I had in mind. A quick check confirms that that type of violence has been occurring with some regularity in Germany over the last few years, although not necessarily at Christmas. If you are seeking to ascribe an anti-migrant or Islamophobic impulse to my post then you are way off the mark and just assuming the worst.
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Not that you could have known that it was politically motivated at the time either. I'm not ascribing anything to your post, I just find it in horribly poor taste to make a statement like that so shortly after the incident and before anything more than "car drives through crowds at christmas market" is actually known.
And yes, politcally motivated violence against civillians is a yearly thing... sorta everywhere in the world, and since just about forever.
 
G3079 said:
Victim count is now up to four fatailities and over 200 injured. 41 critically injured, 90 heavily injured, and over 80 lightly injured.
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Holy hell that's a lot more than what was being presented yesterday. Horrific stuff.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Turns out the BBC had him on a program too, hes a walking-talking red flag and has been for years.

While he went on with impunity, german police spend their time arresting people for having a Palestinian flag.

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Not everything is related. Also I’m wondering what the police should have arrested him for?
 
Five people have now died. It's appalling and completely incomprehensible. This Saudi doctor who's been arrested did work helping refugees, he'd lived in Germany for years. Whatever was his motivation for such a senseless act?
 
Acrobat7 said:
Why do you post baseless shit like this?
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I said apparently. I didn’t know the truth at the time. I’m sorry.

Penna said:
Five people have now died. It's appalling and completely incomprehensible. This Saudi doctor who's been arrested did work helping refugees, he'd lived in Germany for years. Whatever was his motivation for such a senseless act?
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Islamophobia, it seems.
 
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Nogbadthebad said:
Turns out the BBC had him on a program too, hes a walking-talking red flag and has been for years.

While he went on with impunity, german police spend their time arresting people for having a Palestinian flag.

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He doesn’t come across as a red flag in that video. He’s helping refugees from a repressive regime. Are you talking about other, different, warning signs?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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He doesn’t come across as a red flag in that video. He’s helping refugees from a repressive regime. Are you talking about other, different, warning signs?
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He made posts online talking about killing Germans. At least 2 people notified the police about him in the last year or so.

The point of the BBC doc is that he wasn't some unknown flying below the radar, he is a prominent activist.

Edit: I was looking for a tweet I read about it, here it is.

 
Nogbadthebad said:
He made posts online talking about killing Germans. At least 2 people notified the police about him in the last year or so.

The point of the BBC doc is that he wasn't some unknown flying below the radar, he is a prominent activist.

Edit: I was looking for a tweet I read about it, here it is.

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Yikes. Now THAT is a red flag.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yikes. Now THAT is a red flag.
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It is. Now the thing is, that she went to the completely wrong place with this. The BAMF is in no way responsible for this. In cases like this, civil servants have a duty to show people where the correct place is to voice their concerns. They did so, by providing the link to the police in Berlin. How she ended up writing to the police of Berlin, somewhere in the US, I have no idea. Legally, the people involved did what they had to and did nothing wrong. And I don’t see how they could be expected to do more.
Looks to me like her valid concerns got lost in translation and nobody is really to blame here. Which is so sad. Because that woman was brave enough to go to the authorities. She tried whatever she could to prevent this and failed due to bureaucracy and the language barrier. Heartbreaking to think how close these poor people where to being saved from this.
 
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That's never going to fly, especially in the current context.

It's a horrendous, senseless killing of innocent people which will definitely be assimilated to islamist/arab terrorism for a large part of the German population. This wretched piece of shit poured more oil on an already latent but intensely burning fire.

Just imagine the picture: even if they're highly educated and/or far-right, the Arabs' sole purpose is to kill Christians/white people/whatever you want to insert. Cue in the lack of integration, conflicting values, culture incompatibility, innate fanaticism, danger to the rest of the population and yadda, yadda.

Feck this asshole to hell and back. This will have massive consequences on the next elections. It's a shame that he didn't catch a bullet before he went on a rampage.
 
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That_Bloke said:
Feck this asshole to hell and back. It's a shame that he didn't catch a bullet before he went on a rampage.
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I prefer to see him in jail for life. That’ll be harder for him.

Edit: missed the „before“ part.
 
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Who is Taleb A., the suspect behind Magdeburg Christmas market attack?
In a 2019 FAZ interview, Taleb Abdulmohsen described himself as "the most aggressive critic of Islam in history." He founded an online platform to help Saudi Arabian citizens apply for asylum in Germany, claiming that the state was giving asylum to "Syrian jihadists."

He also accused German authorities of not adequately addressing what he called the “Islamism of Europe.”
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The suspect is also a supporter of businessman Elon Musk.
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He was also described as an activist who assisted Saudi women fleeing their country.

Taleb A. has publicly expressed support for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party and recently appeared to focus on a theory that German authorities were targeting Saudi asylum seekers.
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https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/21/who-is-the-suspect-behind-magdeburg-christmas-market-attack
 
A Saudi source told Reuters that Saudi Arabia had warned German authorities about the attacker after he posted extremist views on his personal X account that threatened peace and security.

These warnings were given multiple times since he left Saudi Arabia in 2006, the source said, without going into further detail.
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A risk assessment conducted last year by German state and federal criminal investigators came to the conclusion that the man posed "no specific danger", the Welt newspaper reported, citing security sources.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...i source told Reuters,for Germany (AfD) party.
 
Was leaving the Wycombe game last night when hearing this. The ground is 1 road out shared by 1,000s of fans and cars.

Makes you shudder that 1 maniac could easily do the same almost anywhere.
Like someone said they thought there were barriers, and there were, but even those can't do a full job.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Turns out the BBC had him on a program too, hes a walking-talking red flag and has been for years.

While he went on with impunity, german police spend their time arresting people for having a Palestinian flag.

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Went around with impunity? Did he commit other crimes that were overlooked or something?

Edit: my bad, didn’t see he’d made online threats
 
I really wish this would at least result in a proper investigation leading to results and improvements in police capabilities to find and prosecute such cases where people make public threats. Apparently there had been an offense report against this guy a year ago, after which the police were supposed to do a "Gefährderansprache" - basically the police were supposed to talk to him about the reported offense and see if the person poses a threat, possibly requiring action, or if a fine or just a warning might do. This never happened because, and strap yourself in for this: they tried, but when they were visiting he was not home. So I guess they just shrugged and dropped it then.
What I've heard today from several political parties already has my blood boiling and leaves me in little hope for that though - the AfD has of course again been agitating against immigration from the second this happened, SPD and CDU are using it to once again push for widescale data retention on the provider side as well as what they call "online searches" which is nothing else but remotely hacking the electronic devices of suspects and sifting through their data. Watched an interview with a CDU politician earlier today where I was just short of throwing something at the TV in anger. Between useless and visibly not heartfelt platitudes this vile scumbag just used this incident to push for those policies his party has been trying to implement for many years. At the reporters question how that would have helped he just weaseled out with a non-answer, and the reporter didn't have the balls to call him out on it.

Because at the core of it, the base failure of German security apparatus is again and again that they do not become aware of threats before they act - regularly it is foreign security agencies that alert German authorities to suspects. The German security apparatus is severely understaffed, underequipped and undertrained when it comes to crimes committed or announced in cyberspace. Data retention and hacking devices does not do jack if they don't even know who to look at, at best they help reconstructing the case afterwards. Add a certain tendency by some of their members for blindness in the right eye, ignoring if not outright supporting crimes from the far right political spectrum, and nobody is surprised that this guy went ignored as he did, as sad as it is.


I've just read an article that the perpetrator used the rescue vehicle access to get into the christmas market, which was guarded by police but not barred by anything. Boggles my mind why that was left open. Just park the police van in the gap, if an ambulance needs access you can move it out of the way in seconds before it even arrives.

On a more positive note, the hospital reports that they were able to recategorize eleven patients as out of imminent danger to their lives. Others remain critical, however.
 
VorZakone said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/death-toll-german-christmas-market-car-ramming-rises-four-bild-reports-2024-12-21/#:~:text=A Saudi source told Reuters,for Germany (AfD) party.
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It's a double edged sword, he was an ex-Muslim who fled Saudi and was actively helping others, especially girls, do so as well. If he was extradited, you can easily imagine the story being about how Germany withered under the pressure of an oppressive regime and lead someone to certain death in Saudi, alongside potentially harming the others who he helped flee. Maybe then, stories of his violent posts and sexual assault of said girls would come out and provide a bit more context, but I still believe the German government would've been heavily criticized.

What is more enraging is the story of the women in Germany, or maybe it was outside, who reported him multiple times to the police over his twitter posts but they did next to nothing about it.
 
Penna said:
Five people have now died. It's appalling and completely incomprehensible. This Saudi doctor who's been arrested did work helping refugees, he'd lived in Germany for years. Whatever was his motivation for such a senseless act?
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That’s what’s going around my head
 
That_Bloke said:
That's never going to fly, especially in the current context.

It's a horrendous, senseless killing of innocent people which will definitely be assimilated to islamist/arab terrorism for a large part of the German population. This wretched piece of shit poured more oil on an already latent but intensely burning fire.

Just imagine the picture: even if they're highly educated and/or far-right, the Arabs' sole purpose is to kill Christians/white people/whatever you want to insert. Cue in the lack of integration, conflicting values, culture incompatibility, innate fanaticism, danger to the rest of the population and yadda, yadda.

Feck this asshole to hell and back. This will have massive consequences on the next elections. It's a shame that he didn't catch a bullet before he went on a rampage.
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I wonder if that was exactly his intention then? He knew that in a perverse way his actions would help to push the AfD and their anti everything foreign views to greater popularity given that he himself was an Arab.
 
Dans said:
I wonder if that was exactly his intention then? He knew that in a perverse way his actions would help to push the AfD and their anti everything foreign views to greater popularity given that he himself was an Arab.
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Manipulated to hate the country because of the right wing terrorists who told him politicians are destroying the world by helping immigrant and promoting religious tolerance. He had to take his revenge and make a statement.

It's no different to Islamic terrorist attacks.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Manipulated to hate the country because of the right wing terrorists who told him politicians are destroying the world by helping immigrant and promoting religious tolerance. He had to take his revenge and make a statement.

It's no different to Islamic terrorist attacks.
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Yeah, I don't get the confusion. It's an attack on the German state, by attacking its citizens. Pretty straight forward.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Yeah, I don't get the confusion. It's an attack on the German state, by attacking its citizens. Pretty straight forward.
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Anyone who sees these group of "Ex-Muslims" on Twitter can see how extremist their views are, all it takes is one mentally unstable person to turn those views into violence.
 
The guy is being charged with murder and not terrorism. I suppose only Muslims can commit terrorism :)
 
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