Callum McManaman

Halsey had an absolute shocker that day. After the ref's performance in the Everton v City match I thought the weekedn couldn't get any worse for decisions but I was obviously wrong.

Where did you get that article Marching?
 
darko said:
At least five matches.
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The precedence will be dangerous. I'm not sure you can start analysing red card offences separately and punishing on an individual basis.

Unless of course McManaman makes a book and declares how he intended to break Haidara's leg. Really feel sorry for Haidara though.

I suppose this is the sort of thing that a few cnuts champion about the physical nature of the Premier League, as if it's a good thing. Pisses me off when watching UEFA competitions and see bad challenges greeted with 'wouldn't be a foul in England' as if that's the barometer.
 
Rozay said:
The precedence will be dangerous. I'm not sure you can start analysing red card offences separately and punishing on an individual basis.

Unless of course McManaman makes a book and declares how he intended to break Haidara's leg. Really feel sorry for Haidara though.

I suppose this is the sort of thing that a few cnuts champion about the physical nature of the Premier League, as if it's a good thing. Pisses me off when watching UEFA competitions and see bad challenges greeted with 'wouldn't be a foul in England' as if that's the barometer.
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hahaha I can see your point there.
 
I have to say, as a former defender (and I'm sure every positional player as well), knows exactly what they are doing when they enter a challenge. You know you approximate probability is of winning the ball and how reckless your challenge is. Unfortunately, there are players who have no regard for their opponent.
 
No retrospective action confirmed.

Utterly disgraceful.
 
The FA have to come up with a better thought out and more transparent system for these sorts of things. Allowing violence like that on a football pitch to go unpunished to observe formalities of their own making seems utterly ridiculous to me.
 
So I presume whichever official saw it and didn't think it was a red is to be sacked for incompetence then?
 
SilentWitness said:
Expect Mcmanaman/Wigan to be sued by Newcastle then.
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I sincerely hope so!

We already knew it but this just confirms the FA are a joke! They say they cannot take "retrospective action" as one of the officials saw the incident take place.... so does that mean officials can't make mistakes?!

It's bloody laughable!
 
Seriously, if I'm a manager I'd want to know who the official was who saw the incident and what's being done about them, because no way would I want my players on a pitch under their duristiction at any point in the future.

If they think those kind of challenges are allowed, they're a genuine and serious safety hazard to everyone on the pitch every single time they officiate.
 
I don't care what he intended. If that's really his idea of a tackle he needs a couple of months out of competitive football learning how to tackle.

It was at best a reckless challenge committed with too much force, and to pretend that it wasn't even a red card as the FA have seemingly decided to do is the kind of thing that really brings the game into disrepute.

They don't want retrospective refereeing? OK, so have a video ref to do it straight away. Don't want that either? Ban cameras then, otherwise you look ridiculous and in this case as if you're condoning incompetent work by a linesman, violent play and undermining the whole idea of what tackling means.
 
noodlehair said:
Seriously, if I'm a manager I'd want to know who the official was who saw the incident and what's being done about them, because no way would I want my players on a pitch under their duristiction at any point in the future.

If they think those kind of challenges are allowed, they're a genuine and serious safety hazard to everyone on the pitch every single time they officiate.
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We've all made errors in work. Sacking him isn't the answer.
 
Just seen the full FA statement...

The FA can confirm that no action can be taken against Wigan Athletic's Callum McManaman retrospectively following his side's game against Newcastle United on Sunday 17 March 2013.

Following consultation with the game's stakeholders (the Premier League, the Football League, the Professional Footballers’ Association, the League Managers’ Association, Professional Game Match Officials Limited and the National Game) in the summer, it was agreed that retrospective action should only be taken in respect of incidents which have not been seen by the match officials.

Where one of the officials has seen a coming together of players, no retrospective action should be taken, regardless of whether he or she witnessed the full or particular nature of the challenge. This is to avoid the re-refereeing of incidents.

In the case of McManaman, it has been confirmed that at least one of the match officials saw the coming together, though not the full extent of the challenge. In these circumstances retrospective action cannot be taken.

The principal objective behind the not seen policy is to address off the ball incidents where match officials are unlikely to be in a position to witness misconduct.


So, at least one official saw the coming together (whatever that fecking means) BUT not the full extent of the challenge.

That means they have based the officials and the FA have based their decision on absolutely feck all....how stupid can these people be?!
 
What I don't understand is the claim that they can't "re-ref games" yet they can rescind red cards?
 
Brophs said:
We've all made errors in work. Sacking him isn't the answer.
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If I made an error that resulted in a builder or colleague being injured, due to my own incompetence or lack of basic understanding of my job, I'd be sacked.

Anyone who saw that tackle and didn't think it was a red card shouldn't be allowed near a football pitch, for the safety of everyone else on it.
 
Marching said:
So, at least one official saw the coming together (whatever that fecking means) BUT not the full extent of the challenge.

That means they have based the officials and the FA have based their decision on absolutely feck all....how stupid can these people be?!
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Summed up this farce.

In reality, they've essentially said they didn't see the incident (they didn't), but still can't act on it?

The very least that needs to come out of this is a rule change. Unless the ref says something along the lines of "Having seen a number of replays, no matter what angle I'd have seen it at the time, I still wouldn't have sent him off" suspend the player.

Ask the referee now, if you'd have seen that more clearly, would you have sent him off? The answer would be yes, and McManaman would be serving a three game ban. It's really, really simple. It's just common sense.
 
Marching said:
Just seen the full FA statement...

The FA can confirm that no action can be taken against Wigan Athletic's Callum McManaman retrospectively following his side's game against Newcastle United on Sunday 17 March 2013.

Following consultation with the game's stakeholders (the Premier League, the Football League, the Professional Footballers’ Association, the League Managers’ Association, Professional Game Match Officials Limited and the National Game) in the summer, it was agreed that retrospective action should only be taken in respect of incidents which have not been seen by the match officials.

Where one of the officials has seen a coming together of players, no retrospective action should be taken, regardless of whether he or she witnessed the full or particular nature of the challenge. This is to avoid the re-refereeing of incidents.

In the case of McManaman, it has been confirmed that at least one of the match officials saw the coming together, though not the full extent of the challenge. In these circumstances retrospective action cannot be taken.

The principal objective behind the not seen policy is to address off the ball incidents where match officials are unlikely to be in a position to witness misconduct.
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What the feck?

That's unbelievably thick. People are paid to come up with these ideas
 
noodlehair said:
If I made an error that resulted in a builder or colleague being injured, due to my own incompetence or lack of basic understanding of my job, I'd be sacked.

Anyone who saw that tackle and didn't think it was a red card shouldn't be allowed near a football pitch, for the safety of everyone else on it.
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One mistake and you'd be sacked? Fair enough. Sounds like your employer doesn't really understand employment law in that case. Either that or they like handing over money to people they've just fired.

Most do, though, and they understand the difference between a pattern of bad decisions and making one bad decision. If the assistant makes more of these decisions then yeah, by all means give him the heave.
 
Marching said:
I sincerely hope so!

We already knew it but this just confirms the FA are a joke! They say they cannot take "retrospective action" as one of the officials saw the incident take place.... so does that mean officials can't make mistakes?!

It's bloody laughable!
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The most ironic thing is how if video/goal line technology was put into place within football they would be picking up on decisions which officials either missed/mistaken on/were unsure on.
 
Marching said:
In the case of McManaman, it has been confirmed that at least one of the match officials saw the coming together, though not the full extent of the challenge. In these circumstances retrospective action cannot be taken.
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It "cannot"?

Why's that then, will there be earthquakes, floods, plagues of mice or something?

I guess I can understand their problem now.
They're idiots.
 
Brophs said:
One mistake and you'd be sacked? Fair enough. Sounds like your employer doesn't really understand employment law in that case. Either that or they like handing over money to people they've just fired.

Most do, though, and they understand the difference between a pattern of bad decisions and making one bad decision. If the assistant makes more of these decisions then yeah, by all means give him the heave.
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If you endanger a colleague or worker's wellbeing, I think so yeah.

They'd deal with the legal side afterwards. At the very least I wouldn't be put in any situation where the same thing could happen again. No one would want me there for a start. I'd cost more money in business than getting rid of me would in compensation.

Obviously it works a bit different here, but I wouldn't want to be on a football pitch where one or more of the officials think there's nothing wrong with that challenge.

All of this is of course now irrelevant as apparently none of the officials saw it, but because one of them sort of saw it a bit maybe, the FA have decided not to do anything about it.

So basically you can try to break someone's leg and it's perfectly ok, because a bunch of utter feckwits who have nothing to do with football sat around in a meeting at the start of the year and decided no one was allowed to punish you.
 
Brophs said:
One mistake and you'd be sacked? Fair enough. Sounds like your employer doesn't really understand employment law in that case. Either that or they like handing over money to people they've just fired.

Most do, though, and they understand the difference between a pattern of bad decisions and making one bad decision. If the assistant makes more of these decisions then yeah, by all means give him the heave.
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Actually if he'd made that call and then tried to defend it I'd have sacked him for the mistake, the attempt to justify it, and his misunderstanding of the job's requirements.

However it seems he actually says he "did not see the full extent" of the incident. Which is fair enough, we do all make mistakes.

The problem now is the FA compounding it by declaring an official who has admitted a mistake to be infallible.
 
Ben Thatcher had a yellow card for an elbow on Pedro Mendes changed to an 8 GAME ban such was the seriousness of the challenge.

How does that fit into the FA saying they don't retrospectively referee games?
 
jojojo said:
It "cannot"?

Why's that then, will there be earthquakes, floods, plagues of mice or something?

I guess I can understand their problem now.
They're idiots.
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Following consultation with the game's stakeholders (the Premier League, the Football League, the Professional Footballers’ Association, the League Managers’ Association, Professional Game Match Officials Limited and the National Game) in the summer, it was agreed that retrospective action should only be taken in respect of incidents which have not been seen by the match officials.


Seems like they need further consultation because they made a cock up first time round.
 
jojojo said:
Actually if he'd made that call and then tried to defend it I'd have sacked him for the mistake, the attempt to cover it up and his misunderstanding of the job's requirements.

However it seems he actually says he "did not see the full extent" of the incident. Which is fair enough, we do all make mistakes.

The problem now is the FA compounding it by declaring an official who has admitted a mistake to be infallible.
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This is what I'd presumed had happened. It didn't occur to me that the FA would be SO stupid that even if the official himself admits he didn't see it properly and made a mistake, they'd still back his original incorrect call anyway. Good luck with that one if the player is seriously injured and Newcastle decide to take it to the courts.

How do you even start trying to comprehend that level of stupidity?
 
Marching said:
Ben Thatcher had a yellow card for an elbow on Pedro Mendes changed to an 8 GAME ban such was the seriousness of the challenge.

How does that fit into the FA saying they don't retrospectively referee games?
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That's exactly what this challenge reminded me of.

The FA have done more damage to the FA than I think they realize with this decision, or non decision.
 
I don't know how these things work from a legal perspective.

If the player is serious or long term injured, is there a case for Newcastle or the player to take action against the FA seeking compensation for failing their duty to officiate and protect their employees?

Going after Wigan seems a bit pointless when the governing body themselves wont admit to Mcmanaman having done anything wrong.
 
Rozay said:
I suppose this is the sort of thing that a few cnuts champion about the physical nature of the Premier League, as if it's a good thing. Pisses me off when watching UEFA competitions and see bad challenges greeted with 'wouldn't be a foul in England' as if that's the barometer.
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It's not black and white, no football supporter wants this in the game.

Not surprised by the FA's decision.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
That's exactly what this challenge reminded me of.

The FA have done more damage to the FA than I think they realize with this decision, or non decision.
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I guess the FA have put themselves in a ridiculous situation by having this (alledged) rule they agreed with the other football governing bodies that they can not take action if an official sees an incident.

It seems it wasn't the ref who saw the incident so as soon as one of the linesmen or maybe the 4th official put their hand up to say he saw part of the incident (even though he obviously missed the important parts) the FA were stuffed.

Newcastle United are now calling for a review of the system and hopefully it will be changed in the future for it to actually make sense.
 
noodlehair said:
I don't know how these things work from a legal perspective.

If the player is serious or long term injured, is there a case for Newcastle or the player to take action against the FA seeking compensation for failing their duty to officiate and protect their employees?

Going after Wigan seems a bit pointless when the governing body themselves wont admit to Mcmanaman having done anything wrong.
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Newcastle have been on the receiving end of similar legal action, paying Everton striker Victor Anichebe a six-figure sum in an out of court settlement after he was seriously injured by a two-footed tackle from former Magpie captain Kevin Nolan back in February 2009.


It seems the FA can take retrospective action in "extreme circumstances"....not sure why they don't think the Wigan incident extreme.
 
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