Callum McManaman

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Surprised there isn't a thread on this, unless I've missed it.

What say yee caf folk? I'd be calling for considerably more than a 3 game ban for a challenge like that.

I don't think there's even a defence over lack of intent. If you fly into a tackle THAT recklessly for whatever reason, you shouldn't be allowed near a football pitch again for a considerable time.

It's not ok to drive wrecklessly and end up endangering someone's life just because you didn't do it on purpose or were "caught up in the moment" or whatever, and that's presuming he DID do it by accident, which is debatable at best.

You can also understand if someone mistimes slightly and catches another players ankle/foot, but launching into someone above knee height with so much force you nearly snap their leg? feck off. I'm pretty sure if you did that on a rugby pitch you'd get your head kicked in and then probably end up reported to the police for assault.
 
Horrific challenge. I expect he'll get a ban.

On a side note, the Newcastle assistant manager or coach who approached him at half time seemed a bit of a wanker.
 
It's discussed in the PL Matches thread. But you're right, you go for in to a 50/50 with your feet almost knee high, then you're dirty fecker. There's no defending what he did.
 
Can't believe Dave Whelan is claiming that it was a fair tackle.
 
Disgusting challenge and will rightly be punished but I don't think there was any intent.

He's steamed in and tried to hoof the ball but missed it totally. That's how I saw it anyway.
 
Would there be a case to say that the player banned for making these challenges should be banned for as long as the player is injured?
 
Absolutely disgusting 'tackle'. Probably one of the worst ever in the PL.

Should get a long, long bang imo. 6 games minimum.
 
Disgusting challenge and will rightly be punished but I don't think there was any intent.

He's steamed in and tried to hoof the ball but missed it totally. That's how I saw it anyway.

Does it matter if there's intent or not though in this instance?

If you're going to have that much disregard for an opponent's safety when going in for a challenge "honestly", you probably shouldn't be allowed to play football full stop.


Would there be a case to say that the player banned for making these challenges should be banned for as long as the player is injured?

Don't really think so. It should be judged on the severity and wrecklessness of the tackle.

I find the automatic 3 game thing dumb though. By that logic breaking someone's leg is the same level offence as slapping them lightly in the face with your glove.

Football rules on this sort of thing make absolutely no sense.
 
Would there be a case to say that the player banned for making these challenges should be banned for as long as the player is injured?

No, because sometimes the 'injured' player gets lucky and can carry on.


That challenge should receive a 10 match ban. Completely out of control and was knee high on his opponent. He could have ended his career. Absolutely appalling challenge. 3 matches would be an insult.
 
Has apparently done it before, in a reserve game vs City in 2011.

A single strike from John Guidetti , eight minutes from time,was enough to send City's EDS side top of the league, however the headlines from this game will be all about how City lost another player with a serious leg injury,the third of the week.

Gai Assulin was stretchered off in injury time with his right leg in a brace, following a wild challenge by Callum McManaman, which caused some friction between the two benches
 
Horrible, disgusting and any other adjectives you can throw at it tackle. A 3 game ban simply isn't enough for something like that... I'd ban him for the rest of the season if it were up to me, though I suppose that's not very realistic...
 
But guys, he's not that kind of player! Lay off him a bit, yeah?
 
Surprised there isn't a thread on this, unless I've missed it.

What say yee caf folk? I'd be calling for considerably more than a 3 game ban for a challenge like that.

I don't think there's even a defence over lack of intent. If you fly into a tackle THAT recklessly for whatever reason, you shouldn't be allowed near a football pitch again for a considerable time.

It's not ok to drive wrecklessly and end up endangering someone's life just because you didn't do it on purpose or were "caught up in the moment" or whatever, and that's presuming he DID do it by accident, which is debatable at best.

You can also understand if someone mistimes slightly and catches another players ankle/foot, but launching into someone above knee height with so much force you nearly snap their leg? feck off. I'm pretty sure if you did that on a rugby pitch you'd get your head kicked in and then probably end up reported to the police for assault.

I really don't think there was any intent. What it looked like to me was that he was trying to sidefoot the ball and hook it away on a sharp angle. He mistimed it badly and as a consequence, his studs went into the opposing player's knee.

That being said, as challenges go it was reckless, horribly mistimed and so dangerous it definitely deserves a ban. If he doesn't miss any games then there's a risk he may continue to go into challenges like that and eventually (if he hasn't done so already) end someone's career. Something between 4 and 6 games should make that point nicely.
 
Not that kind of lad...

http://mcfcreservesandacademy.co.uk/wigan-homeeds1011/

Gai Assulin was stretchered off in injury time with his right leg in a brace, following a wild challenge by Callum McManaman, which caused some friction between the two benches.’

‘Just as the clock ticked into the 90th minute, Gai Assulin picked the ball up just inside Wigan’s half and Callum McManaman ran from City’s half and dived in very late and caught Gai on his right leg with the studs showing.”
 
No, because sometimes the 'injured' player gets lucky and can carry on.


That challenge should receive a 10 match ban. Completely out of control and was knee high on his opponent. He could have ended his career. Absolutely appalling challenge. 3 matches would be an insult.

That's true but sometimes these challenges can leave a player out for around 2+ months. That can be up to 10 games sometimes which is more than fair i think.

I also think that the ban should be increased if the player has history for doing so.

First offense: 5-10 matches depending on severity.
Second offense: Add 5 matches onto what their previous offense.
 
Hope he gets a big ban. It was a disgraceful tackle, there's just no excuse for it and they need to punish players like that accordingly.
 
As has been mentioned...

Interesting to read about an incident just over two years ago when Callum McManaman was playing against Wigan reserves against Manchester City.

These are extract from a match report at the time on MCFCReserves website, see if you can spot anything familiar…

‘Gai Assulin was stretchered off in injury time with his right leg in a brace, following a wild challenge by Callum McManaman, which caused some friction between the two benches.’

‘Just as the clock ticked into the 90th minute, Gai Assulin picked the ball up just inside Wigan’s half and Callum McManaman ran from City’s half and dived in very late and caught Gai on his right leg with the studs showing.”

I can see what Roberto Martinez and his boss mean now about what a canny lad he is, wouldn’t hurt a fly, salt of the earth etc etc


Whelan feck off. Martinez feck off. McMananananaman feck off. Wigan feck off.
 
I was going to make a thread on him before he made that challenge, as he's been playing really well for Wigan these past few weeks. It was just a really shit challenge really, hopefully he learns from it. Don't think there was any intent to purposefully harm Haidara but he should be banned.
 
Shit tackle, dangerous, 3 game ban for a retrospective red card. That'd be enough for me.

Bad tackles are always going to happen, and people will always get injured. Unless it's viciously deliberate and/or assault then there's not much point or precedent (I think?) in extending the ban.
 
A player who's career was cut short by injury.

Interesting comments from the senile old twat about that....

Here's a reminder of what bumbling fool and SkySports News favourite blatherer, Whelan dribbled out earlier:

"The ball was there and McManaman went in for the ball and got the ball, as clear as a whistle, then followed through and they collided. He hasn't gone over the ball. That's an accident.

“When I broke my leg in the (1960 FA) cup final it was exactly the same type of tackle. We both went for the ball. It brought back memories. It ruined my career.

"I am not going to criticise Norman Deeley - these things happen in football. He came over the ball, but he didn't do it with the aim of breaking my leg."

That'll be the same Dave Whelan who told the Lancashire Telegraph in May 2010 that:

"Norman Deeley came right over the ball. Today he would have been sent off and banned for a long time. He came six inches over the ball, he came for me not the ball."

Make your mind up you silly old bugger.
 
Shit tackle, dangerous, 3 game ban for a retrospective red card. That'd be enough for me.

Bad tackles are always going to happen, and people will always get injured. Unless it's viciously deliberate and/or assault then there's not much point or precedent (I think?) in extending the ban.

So you actually believe it makes sense for that tackle yesterday to receive the exact same punishment as something like this:

 
So you actually believe it makes sense for that tackle yesterday to receive the exact same punishment as something like this:


I don't know to be honest, but I'm not unhappy with the rules. Apart from handball which everyone seems to get incredibly wrong (although the rule itself is fine).

McManaman's tackle is clearly more dangerous, but on the other hand it's part of the game and can happen accidentally. I don't think that's an excuse because it was very reckless, but Drogba made a conscious decision to slap someone in the face which is wholly unnecessary, disrespectful and idiotic.

Spitting in the ref's face won't cause any harm, but will certainly get you longer than a 3 game ban.

It's not black-and-white though and I can see your point, it seems bizarre on face value.
 
''Gai Assulin was stretchered off in injury time with his right leg in a brace, following a wild challenge by Callum McManaman, which caused some friction between the two benches''

Sounds like a right dirty little cnut doesn't he. Deserved to be banned for that challenge.
 
Whelan chatting shit and creating a headline? Surely not. Wish the egotistical Tory tosser and his shitty club would feck off back down the leagues where they belong.

Makes me laugh when he bleats on about not being able to compete because of the big boys throwing the cash around, when that's actually what he did to get Wigan up from the old 3rd division. They were a small scale City the way they spent.
 
I don't know to be honest, but I'm not unhappy with the rules. Apart from handball which everyone seems to get incredibly wrong (although the rule itself is fine).

McManaman's tackle is clearly more dangerous, but on the other hand it's part of the game and can happen accidentally. I don't think that's an excuse because it was very reckless, but Drogba made a conscious decision to slap someone in the face which is wholly unnecessary, disrespectful and idiotic.

Spitting in the ref's face won't cause any harm, but will certainly get you longer than a 3 game ban.

It's not black-and-white though and I can see your point, it's seems bizarre on face value.

Ridiculous isnt it, Ashley Barnes got 7 matches for attempting to trip a ref last week probably deserved 7 games (4 were due to 3rd red of season) but attempting to trip the ref is hardly the same as breaking someone's leg, red card punishments should be dealt with independently based on the severity of what happened
 
I don't think McManaman went into that tackle wanting to hurt Hydra like that, but I do think he's gone in to 'let him know he was there' to some extent. What annoyed me at the time was how he just stood back while all the physios were around, if it was a genuine mistake he should've been with Hydra apologising or whatever. The fact that he's done it before though certainly raises further questions so I'd give him 8 games. It's a shame as well because he was having a good game up until that point.
 
Newcastle United may sue Wigan Athletic for Callum McManaman's horror tackle on Massadio Haïdara

Newcastle United are considering legal action against Wigan Athletic and their midfielder Callum McManaman following his wild tackle on Massimo Haidara as he could yet escape retrospective punishment from the Football Association.

Although Wigan have thrown a protective shield in front of their young star, with chairman Dave Whelan insisting he won the ball as “clear as a whistle”, Newcastle believe they have a strong case if they pursue compensation.

Newcastle will be frustrated if the FA refuses to take the matter any further, although the game’s governing body is yet to make a final decision. The main complication is that, while referee Mark Halsey’s view was obstructed by Newcastle’s Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, linesman Matthew Wilkes saw the challenge clearly and did not deem it a serious offence.

The FA has always maintained it will not “re-referee” games as it would undermine the authority of matchday officials.

Newcastle are also furious with Whelan’s comments on Monday, which came 24 hours after Wigan’s manager, Roberto Martínez’s post-match claim the Wigan Academy graduate had no intention to hurt Haidara.

“The ball was there and McManaman went in for the ball and got the ball, as clear as a whistle, then followed through and they collided,” Whelan said on BBC Five Live. “He hasn’t gone over the ball. That’s an accident.”

Whelan, who had his career in the top flight ruined when he broke his leg playing for Blackburn Rovers in the 1960 FA Cup final, refused to back track in a later interview with Sky Sports. “I would be saying: ‘Football is a tough game.’ I do not think there was any intent from our lad to hurt the Newcastle player. I spoke to [Newcastle managing director] Derek Llambias after the match and, I have to say, the Newcastle people who we dined with took it all on the chin and thought: ‘Yeah it is part and parcel of the game.’

“I know there were some bad things said on the line. But the referee took charge of that and dispatched two of them. So, hopefully, the lad [Haidara] can start playing again next Saturday. Hopefully he will be okay and not be too seriously injured. But you are going to get injured if you play football professionally. It is a tough game.”

Wigan are keen to put the incident down to the over-enthusiasm of a young player making his first Premier League start, but Newcastle, having reviewed television footage, are unimpressed by the defence or the tone in which it has been made.

Haidara was in floods of tears in the dressing room following the tackle which caught the 20-year-old, who only arrived in England from Nancy in January, on the side of his knee. Replays show McManaman also follows through with his trailing leg into the French player’s shin.

The incident has created a lot of bad feeling in the Newcastle camp and Haidara is not in the right frame of mind to listen to an apology at this stage. His Newcastle team-mate, Ryan Taylor, said on Twitter the tackle was known in the game as a “s---house”. To make matters worse for the Magpies, Wigan went on to secure a 2-1 victory that gives them fresh impetus in their bid to avoid relegation, their winner coming in the last minute when Halsey also failed to spot a handball in the build-up.

The damage to Haidara’s leg is so severe that he cannot straighten it and swelling around the knee means an initial scan has not yet determined the full extent of the injury. Telegraph Sport understands that there are no bones broken, but it is thought there is extensive ligament damage which is likely to sideline the left-back for several months.

Newcastle have been on the *receiving end of similar legal action, paying Everton striker Victor *Anichebe a six-figure sum in an out of court settlement after he was seriously injured by a two-footed tackle from former Magpie captain Kevin Nolan back in February 2009.

Condemnation of McManaman’s challenge has been most concerted from former professionals, with many arguing it was bad enough to end Haidara’s career.

The FA can take retrospective action in “extreme cases” but it is unclear whether it is willing to put a reckless tackle seen by one of the officials at the time into this category. There has been a recent precedent set when the FA refused to ban Mario Balotelli’s for a similarly vicious tackle on Arsenal Alex Song last April when it had been seen by the referee and gone unpunished.
 
Very bad challenge. Should have seen red. Without seeing a replay though the referee is stuck behind a player and only hears a scream. Tough call for him but a review board should give a 3 game ban.
 
Finally seen a gif of this, it's a hopelessly mistimed 'attempt' to win the ball, a professional footballer shouldn't be making such a hash of things like that. I doubt he was going for the player though, but it's the sort of thing people get sent off for.