Bundesliga 2016/17

Can't shake the feeling this is a huge mistake from Dortmund, not to try to make it work with Tuchel. You don't fire a coach who performs that well. The board have become full of themselves. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is the end of BVB as our main rival. They'll be part of the pack again in a few years, indistinguishable from the mediocrity and inconsistency of the other bigger Bundesliga clubs.
 
It reminds me a bit of Schalke firing Slomka.
 
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60.000 in the Allianz-Arena to say Good-Bye... :D:cool::)

The kittens need 3 goals in the 2nd half to stay in the 2nd league....

The Capo of their Ultras already shouted "you dirty losers" into the microphone...

It is not just the professionals that would get relegated - the U23 and U16 has to - and the U19 and U17 already is. So all of their teams from U16 upwards would go down...
 
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Blackwidow said:
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60.000 in the Allianz-Arena to say Good-Bye... :D:cool::)

The kittens need 3 goals in the 2nd half to stay in the 2nd league....

The Capo of their Ultras already shouted "you losers" into the microphone...
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Awesome. This will be the most wide open 2nd Bundesliga in ages. No money clubs at all.
 
Blackwidow said:
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60.000 in the Allianz-Arena to say Good-Bye... :D:cool::)

The kittens need 3 goals in the 2nd half to stay in the 2nd league....

The Capo of their Ultras already shouted "you dirty losers" into the microphone...

It is not just the professionals that would get relegated - the U23 and U16 has to - and the U19 and U17 already is. So all of their teams from U16 upwards would go down...
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Damn it, don't jinx it!!
 
With 1860 finally being relegated to the 3rd division, will they move out of the Allianz Arena? I can dream of red seats, can't I..?
 
The 1860 fans were nice enough to start removing the ugly grey seats.
A great goodbye present from the now-hopefully-former-tenants.
:D
 
WHat's the situation between Munich 1860 Bayern fans in the city and around the city?
Are there many 1860 fans?

As for Borussia, there's talk about Niko Kovač possibly being hired, although that's probably wishful thinking from our media?
 
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WHat's the situation between Munich 1860 Bayern fans in the city and around the city?
Are there many 1860 fans?

As for Borussia, there's talk about Niko Kovač possibly being hired, although that's probably wishful thinking from our media?
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It's probably around 70/30% in favor of Bayern, so yeah, there are many 1860 fans but the majority has become increasingly pasionless in regards to the club within the last decade and barely bother anymore.
 
I doubt that it is still 30%. Not after the last 20 to 30 years...

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The dream of us all is it to get into the first Bundesliga and sometimes play Champions League. We are on the right way to get 1860 to be one of the best clubs in Europe...

Hasan Ismaik - the investor - in an interview September 2016...

The manager already jumped ship in the morning. The president did it during or at the end of the match. The coach and his staff for sure do, too - the coach left the press conference without wanting to talk about the game and situation. Most of the player contracts ran out. They need money to get the license for the 3rd league - some doubt that they even did not put in the papers for it. A lot doubt that the investor will still invest more money. The money the investor poured into the club the recent years was just loaned...

If you really want to see a comedy show (this season they were just a laughing stock) - that is what that club was and is the recent 10 years... That noisy little neighbour just implodes by himself...

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They should have ended the match 15 minutes earlier. The match had a 15 minute interruption because the ultras were throwing stuff on the pitch etc. They still did it when the match went on and the goalkeeper had to throw out seats, metal poles etc. out of his box which landed close to him. That could have really ended badly...
 
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those "metal poles" were plastic, but whatever.

1860 imploding is a sight to watch. Ian Ayre wasn't even in the stadium and resigned immediately after (Edit: He had resigned before due to differences with investor Ismaik, but it was withheld until after the match). As did Vitor Pereira. As did President Cassavete.
I imagine all the mercs brought in half a year ago will be gone, too.

Together with the first team, 4 other 1860 teams were relegated - U19 and U17 on their own account, U21 and U16 need to go down as well because of that.
This is a nightmare as the youth system was considered to be the best part of the club and profitable, too.
 
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Vítor Pereira :lol: I kinda knew when i mentioned it some weeks ago
 
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Update: Coach Pereira, director Ayre and president Cassavete quit. Now an even more severe resignation hit 1860: "Löwenstüberl" Landlady Christl says she has had enough, too.

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Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
Monaco 1860 relegated? :D
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The question is in which league they will start next season...

no sportsmanager
no coach
just 6 players with contracts for the 3rd league (the rest can leave free)
no president
the accounts were all emptied
the investor is quiet and a big question if he continues - he would have to throw another 10m in the club for license etc. (because of Ramadan he is not flying in the next 4 weeks he already told some weeks ago)
the license for the 3rd league including financing has to be done until Friday this week
the club is big in debts

The first match day of league 3 is July 21st... (4th and 5th league - the question is in which league they would start - even a week earlier)
 
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I don't know the dynamics of the Munich relationship between the two clubs but as much as I'd love it if City went through all this (loved it when they went down to Division 2 of course) I don't think I'd want a city neighbour potentially ceasing to exist. Do the Bayern fans want this?
 
Nach AZ-Informationen sind die KgaA-Konten leergeräumt! Die Spielergehälter wurden auch nicht überwiesen, angeblich hat auch Ayre kein Gehalt bekommen und ist eventuell auch deswegen zurück getreten. Es deutet wohl vieles auf einen Rückzug Ismaiks hin. Verwaltungsratsboss Drees will keine Stellungnahme abgeben.
Nach AZ-Informationen bereitet man sich auf alle Eventutalitäten vor. Mögliche Szenarien bei einem Ausstieg Ismaiks: Neustart in der 4. oder 5. Liga.

http://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de...iga.2b937e80-ae25-4500-8c1c-8aeb77f56480.html

According to AZ (Munich local paper) the corporate accounts of 1860 are empty, player salaries have not been paid and there are rumours that Ayre stepped down because he had not been paid as well. Many things point towards Ismaik (poor lion's sugar daddy) pulling out. Chairman of the board Drees declined to comment.
According to the paper's information the club is preparing for all eventualities, possible scenarios in case of Imaixit: reboot [through declaring bankruptcy I guess] in 4th or 5th devision.
 
Blackwidow said:
The question is in which league they will start next season...

no sportsmanager
no coach
just 6 players with contracts for the 3rd league (the rest can leave free)
no president
the accounts were all emptied
the investor is quiet and a big question if he continues - he would have to throw another 10m in the club for license etc. (because of Ramadan he is not flying in the next 4 weeks he already told some weeks ago)
the license for the 3rd league including financing has to be done until Friday this week
the club is big in debts

The first match day of league 3 is July 21st... (4th and 5th league - the question is in which league they would start - even a week earlier)
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So they do run the risk of disappearing? It has been time since they had to pay the price for their bad management though.
 
matherto said:
I don't know the dynamics of the Munich relationship between the two clubs but as much as I'd love it if City went through all this (loved it when they went down to Division 2 of course) I don't think I'd want a city neighbour potentially ceasing to exist. Do the Bayern fans want this?
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There is no other solution then going down to 4th or 5th division and starting from the scratch. That Ismaik is a clueless donkey was clear from the 1st minute and they just extended the inevitable. Most fans wanna get rid of him at all costs, cos 1860 have become pure comedy and an embarrassment beyond compare.

...and you can be sure that the majority of Bayern supporters are going to watch this with pure joy. They are dreaming of getting rid of them as guests in their arena. They want their red seats and logos and stuff and not that neutral grey everywhere. Thats all that matters.
 
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There is no other solution then going down to 4th or 5th division and starting from the scratch. That Ismaik is a clueless donkey was clear from the 1st minute and they just extended the inevitable. Most fans wanna get rid of him at all costs, cos 1860 have become pure comedy and an embarrassment beyond compare.

...and you can be sure that the majority of Bayern supporters are going to watch this with pure joy. They are dreaming of getting rid of them as guests in their arena. They want their red seats and logos and stuff and not that neutral grey everywhere. Thats all that matters.
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I suppose you're right in that sense, when the owner/investor/whatever doesn't have a clue, starting from scratch is all you can do.

As for the Allianz, wasn't there talk of 1860 going back to Grünwalder Stadion? Or is it a case of just not having the money to do it up to standard?
 
The city of Munich renovated the GS to be prepared, if Bayern II or 1860 II being promoted to 3rd Division, but the stadium cannot be used higher than 3rd league and it allows around 12k spectators. It wouldnt make sense for 1860, as if they are getting promoted back to 2nd league, then they are not allowed to use it anymore and would be without a stadium. I have also read somewhere, that some council people from Munich have also ruled it out.

...maybe not a problem when starting from scratch again though.
 
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The city of Munich renovated the GS to be prepared, if Bayern II or 1860 II being promoted to 3rd Division, but the stadium cannot be used higher than 3rd league and it allows around 12k spectators. It wouldnt make sense for 1860, as if they are getting promoted back to 2nd league, then they are not allowed to use it anymore and would be without a stadium. I have also read somewhere, that some council people from Munich have also ruled it out.

...maybe not a problem when starting from scratch again though.
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The Stadion an der Grünwalder is history for all above 3rd league. It is embedded in a housing area, munich is out of space as it is, and there is no way in hell to convince the authorities to improve the infrastructure there to support a modern 2nd/1st league stadium - they could only be convinced to join the efforts for building the Allianz Arena on condition it was used for both Munich clubs in the first place. (kind of the first nail in 1860s coffin, as the enterprise was always above their weight class).
There is already a second stadium avilable, although equally unloved by the supporters - the Olympiastadion.
 
strongwalker said:
The Stadion an der Grünwalder is history for all above 3rd league. It is embedded in a housing area, munich is out of space as it is, and there is no way in hell to convince the authorities to improve the infrastructure there to support a modern 2nd/1st league stadium - they could only be convinced to join the efforts for building the Allianz Arena on condition it was used for both Munich clubs in the first place. (kind of the first nail in 1860s coffin, as the enterprise was always above their weight class).
There is already a second stadium avilable, although equally unloved by the supporters - the Olympiastadion.
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Oh man, just imagine the sight of 10k people watching 1860 play some 4th division opponent in that vast concrete bowl during winter time. What a horrible stadium for football.
 
Acrobat7 said:
Oh man, just imagine the sight of 10k people watching 1860 play some 4th division opponent in that vast concrete bowl during winter time. What a horrible stadium for football.
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4th league and 3rd league would still be in the Grünwalder Stadium.

But when they e.g. claim bankrupt - what I would do now to get rid of the investor and of all the debt - they might have to start all way down in the 6th league. The professionals (only 6 contracts are valid for the 3rd league), the U23 and the U19 are outsourced into the company from which the club holds the biggest share - that would be lost.

I do not know how much the club itself still owns. But there for sure are enough people that would help the club to get fast up through the leagues again.
 
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Oh man, just imagine the sight of 10k people watching 1860 play some 4th division opponent in that vast concrete bowl during winter time. What a horrible stadium for football.
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That is how i spent vast parts of my youth :D Personal highlights were a European club game vs. the Spurs in thick fog - we could see the goalie closest to our corner, but nothing else - and a beneficiary match FCB - Romania after Ceaucescus demise. Beginning of december, -10°C, icy rain, attendance ~1000 people :D

When halfwhat full, there was nothing wrong with the atmosphere. One of the most exciting and electrifying games i ever saw live was Bayern-Kiev in the 1999 campaign. There still is an audio file somwhere on the net from Baslers 1-0. Acoustic explosion.
 
I am trying to find a good link for it but, it seems L'Equippe are now talking about Feyenoord's Giovanni van Bronckhorst possibly being Dortmund's next manager.
 
Nostradamus said:
There is no other solution then going down to 4th or 5th division and starting from the scratch. That Ismaik is a clueless donkey was clear from the 1st minute and they just extended the inevitable. Most fans wanna get rid of him at all costs, cos 1860 have become pure comedy and an embarrassment beyond compare.

...and you can be sure that the majority of Bayern supporters are going to watch this with pure joy. They are dreaming of getting rid of them as guests in their arena. They want their red seats and logos and stuff and not that neutral grey everywhere. Thats all that matters.
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Damn right. It's time we made the Arena the home it should be. :P
 
MAKE ALLIANZ ARENA GREAT AGAIN!

Why are you poeple so obsessed with the colour of plastic seats? It's not like this is Serie A where you have to look at them all game :wenger:
 
SportBild quotes Favre's agent saying that the book [on a deal] is closed for this summer.

And Raiola supposedly told an Italian paper that they want Balotelli now :lol:

edit: this is the full quote:
„Die Berichterstattung des ,Blick' entbehrt jeglicher Grundlage. Lucien Favre hat dem BVB keine Absage erteilt. Fakt ist, dass Nizza keinesfalls mehr gesprächsbereit war. Das mussten wir akzeptieren. Das Heft ist für diesen Sommer damit geschlossen. Warten wir ab, was in Zukunft passieren wird", sagte Reza Fazeli."

my translation:
The reports from "Blick" [they claimed Favre decided to stay in Nice] is entirely baseless. L F didn't reject BVB. The fact of the matter is that Nice wasn't willing to negotiate at all anymore. We had to accept that and thus the book is closed for this summer. Let's wait and see what happens in the future.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...bosz-oder-stoeger---wer-wird-bvb-trainer.html

Kicker reporting that the next coach will either be Bosz or Stöger (:wenger::wenger::wenger:).
 
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Peter Bosz did good job at Ajax this year although he won nothing. Probably Dortmund's board want to continue in the "play the youngsters" direction and the Dutchman is the perfect fit for that matter. Honestly i will be disappointed if he decides to leave Ajax after just one season..
 
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So Ismaik won't pay. That means 1860 Munich will not be able to afford the license for 3rd division football. Club is done in regards to professional footbll for now. Amateur football it is.
 
Regionalliga next year - unbelievable that they will play Unterföhring!
 
So Bayern II is playing against 60 next year? nice!
 
Who "they" are is of course another issue altogether. They won't have any players left, but could presumably use the amateurs that were in the Regionalliga this year who just got bumped down to the league below because of the relegation. So bad for the club, good for some of their amateurs some of whom will now get to stay in the league, others who will get promoted from below the 2nd team into the as of now new first team. Mental.

Just what went on between the e.V. and Ismaik? Who's to blame?
 
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