Bundesliga 2016/17

Nice through ball from Hoffenheim, just a bit too long.
Important lead for Wolfsburg against Eintracht.
Shaky Burki here. Meanwhile, Ausburg take the lead. Guess another playout is coming for Hamburg.
2-0 Wolfsburg. MARIOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
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Terrible refereeing in Dortmund. Hoffenheim will be angry if they don't get at least a point out of this
 
Can´t say it´s for a lack of trying. Leverkusen is doing everything they can. Right now four points from direct relegation and a maximum of three points from the play-off.
 
2-0 Auba. Easy tap-in.
Penalty to Hoffenheim. Stupid challenge in the box. 2-1 Kramaric.
Darmstadt have just missed a penalty.
 
0 minutes of added time in Munich :wenger:

There were 4 subs, a penalty and Darmstadt were attacking needing a goal to not be relegated. They would go down anyway but weird decision by the ref
 
0 minutes of added time in Munich :wenger:

There were 4 subs, a penalty and Darmstadt were attacking needing a goal to not be relegated. They would go down anyway but weird decision by the ref

Rule is five minutes added-on in every Darmstadt game, when they are not behind. If they are behind, no added time.
 
0 minutes of added time in Munich :wenger:

There were 4 subs, a penalty and Darmstadt were attacking needing a goal to not be relegated. They would go down anyway but weird decision by the ref

The stat departments did some research when that super late Bayern goal against Hertha happened.

Bundesliga games get an average of 3:01 minutes of added time per match this season.
If Bayern is playing and in the lead the average added time drops to 2:17 minutes.
If Bayern is playing and not in the lead the average added time is a whooping 4:06 minutes.
 
The stat departments did some research when that super late Bayern goal against Hertha happened.

Bundesliga games get an average of 3:01 minutes of added time per match this season.
If Bayern is playing and in the lead the average added time drops to 2:17 minutes.
If Bayern is playing and not in the lead the average added time is a whooping 4:06 minutes.
What a surprise. LOL.
 
yea considering time wasting against Bayern is extremely en vogue since most of those wins are pretty tight it's rather obvious.

That's a popular opinion, but is it true?

The average Bundesliga match has an effective playing time of 56:05 minutes.
The average Bayern Munich match has an effective playing time of 60:50 minutes. There aren't a lot of interruptions in Bayern matches.

Oh yeah, that infamous Hertha-Bayern game? Had an effective playing time of 63:15 minutes.
 
Sven Ulreich out for the rest of the season as well. Good thing we have nothing to play for anyways.
 
That was brutal...Leipzig ist a nightmare matchup for us, just too quick in any aspect of the game.
This season is feeling depressingly similar to the last one. We've been in the top 6 since day one and yet it feels as if we're gonna drop out at the last moment once again. Next week both our CBs will be suspended, the two backups are injured so that leaves us with a couple of teenagers to fill that role. ^^
 
The Dortmund:Hoffenheim match was a good example for what's wrong with refereeing these days and I'm not just talking about the pretty ridiculous offside goal or the at the very least questionable penalty - both of which can easily be gotten rid of with a video ref.

Refs are way too scared to steer a game into a fair contest. If you allow a team endless amounts of more or less obvious tactical fouls without stepping in with a yellow and dutyfully award a free kick for every little defensive dive then it's no surprise we get a hectic match with a poisoned atmosphere and little footballing culture. I'm so sick of it and I'm dying to see a defender get carded for deliberate handball when he falls over and grabs the ball to force the ref into giving him a free kick.
 
That's a popular opinion, but is it true?

The average Bundesliga match has an effective playing time of 56:05 minutes.
The average Bayern Munich match has an effective playing time of 60:50 minutes. There aren't a lot of interruptions in Bayern matches.

Oh yeah, that infamous Hertha-Bayern game? Had an effective playing time of 63:15 minutes.

Where did you get the numbers from?
 
Apparently Tuchel's fate is sealed at Dortmund!

For those who don't follow this stuff closely. Watzke gave an interview midweek (1) where he was asked whether or not there was some dissent between him and Tuchel surrounding the attack on their bus.
The most important questions regarding this mess:

Q: Your coach earned a lot of public credit as a for his empathic crisis management, with you as well?
W: "I obviously assess everything regarding the attack within the context of what we discussed in confidence and what was possible."

Q: The CL match vs Monaco was replayed one day after the attack. The coach as well as the team criticised the new match date heavily afterwards, did what irritate you.
W: (takes his time) "Partially."

Q: Through that question a clear dissent became visible between you on one side and the coach on the other
W: "That's true, yes."


Tuchels response when questioned by Sky was:
"I forbid myself to think about that. That's too big a topic for a matchday. So I don't allow myself as a coach to indulge that. We're facing such important matches, we have such important goals. We need to focus on our goals on the pitch. We can't allow ourselves to be distracted. "
When questioned about the timing of Watzke's interview he said "I won't comment on that".

[This might be lost in translation, but I got a very passive aggressive vibe from his reply.]


And today the shots are being fired, starting with an article in SZ (2), by one of BVB's mouthpieces:
The cliffnotes:
-It became known from within the club that Tuchel was expected to simply acknowledge the dissent as a natural consequence of an impossible situation. But apparently TT chose to opt establishing moral superiority over deescalation.
-Tuchel apparently was kept in the loop via phone by Watzke during the discussion with UEFA and didn't object to rescheduling the match to the following day (they attribute this information directly to Watzke)
-Watzke apparently offered Tuchel to forfeit the match. The latter refused though and later accused UEFA of inhumanely forcing them to play the next day via SMS.
-Dortmund's officials supposedly thought to be in agreement over their course with Tuchel initially but later they got the impression that the latter preferred to "surf the wave of morality" and sell himself as the voice of empathy and compassion, at the cost of the club and it's officials (Rauball and Watzke I gues) who in turn looked like they spinelessly caved in to UEFA.
-Watzke, Zorc and several players have supposedly been complaining for months about the public differences of opinion with the coach behind the scenes, but never spoke up (publicly) because it would've been bad for business.
-Tuchel's private press secretary is supposedly under suspicion of revealing internas to bolster Tuchel's position.
-You supposedly have to try very hard to find someone with sympathies for the outwardly charming Tuchel within the clubs offices. boards/comittees or the ranks of former players.
-That's supposedly no surprise since many regular employees report of unfriendliness.
-(Active) players apparently complain that "when you get special praise from the coach you can expect to not even make the squad"
-Support for Tuchel within the squad apparently seems limited and a player is quoted that the impression of a especially close relationship since the attack only exists in the media.
-No one up the food chain at the club apparently can accept the image of Tuchel as a genius who is just a bit socially akward.
-"so many system changes in the middle of the match, two tactical subs at half time already, that really cant be it" - supposedly a direct quote from a player
-someone from the inner circle of the club supposedly said "We were warned from Mainz [Tuchel's former club] to expect difficulties. We didn't listen. Everything went well for half a year, then everything went as foretold by Mainz."


Dortmund's other mouthpiece RN writes (3) that it's understandable that Watzke doesn't accept a leading employee accusing him (against better knowledge) of betraying the team.
And that there is supposedly a considerable rift between the coach and his players, despite Tuchel suggesting otherwise in public. The truth supposedly is that the level of support for Tuchel within the team is way lower than that needed for a healthy chemistry.
"The discrepancy beween his public statements and his internal actions (which can't be rationally explained) is too big."


(1) https://www.derwesten.de/sport/fuss...ine-meinung-ueber-hoffenheim-id210475601.html
(2) http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/st...watzke-dortmund-driftet-auseinander-1.3494349
(3) https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/spor...n-laesst-sich-nicht-streiten;art11635,3271882


To put this into perspective:
SZ is a very reputable paper beyond the scope of sports, they aren't in the business of inventing fairytales and have a reputation to maintain.
And RN is Dortmund's media partner, the closest paper to the club, I don't see them burning their bridges with the club by publishing this without checking in with someone from the club first.

Obviously we don't know how selective the perspective of certain things in the articles are, but they clearly represent the club's "official inofficial" version of what's going on.
And I don't see how any side can have the slightest intention of continuing past this summer after Tuchel has been burned to the ground (or at least attempted to) by those reports.
 
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Thanks @do.ob for the summary.

I noticed the Röckenhaus Süddeutsche piece but hadn't read it until now... wow, feck me, that's a hit job if I ever saw one. Especially the insinuation that Tuchel is out to get approval of the 'Stammtische' and that he's lost the team to an extent.

To judge from that article, and the fact these seem to be intentional leaks/briefs by the board, I see no way he will continue tbh.

I rate Tuchel as an exceptional coach, but he does seem to be a very difficult guy to work with. His time at Mainz ended in surprisingly bitter conflict too, didn't it?
 
Thanks @do.ob for the summary.

I noticed the Röckenhaus Süddeutsche piece but hadn't read it until now... wow, feck me, that's a hit job if I ever saw one. Especially the insinuation that Tuchel is out to get approval of the 'Stammtische' and that he's lost the team to an extent.

To judge from that article, and the fact these seem to be intentional leaks/briefs by the board, I see no way he will continue tbh.

I rate Tuchel as an exceptional coach, but he does seem to be a very difficult guy to work with. His time at Mainz ended in surprisingly bitter conflict too, didn't it?

I can't recall anything like it and Tuchel's reputation will take a huge hit if people believe it. If Dortmund stick to this way of handling him then he can probably say good bye to any big jobs for the foreseeable future.

I don't think a lot was said in public about his exit at Mainz, but Heidel appeared thoroughly pissed off to me back then. And a small(ish) club like Mainz refusing to let him out of his contract, no matter what fee other clubs offered says more than a thousand words.
 
If Tuchel is off in the Summer, who is available candidate to replace him? Are there names linked already by the press?
 
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If Tuchel is off in the Summer, who is available candidate to replace him? Are there names linked already by the press?
Obvious candidates would be Hannes Wolf (ex-BVB youth coach and just now leading Stuttgart back to promotion) or David Wagner, I guess.
 
BVB's former youth coach is looking well on his way securing VFB back in the Bundesliga.. But he has a two season contact to them.. He was touted to replace Tuchel after his contact was up after next season.. Could that still be a plan?

On other notes well in Freiburg on that impressive win v Schalke.. A win at home vs Ingolstadt could go a long way to secure a Europa spot..
 
If Tuchel is off in the Summer, who is available candidate to replace him? Are there names linked already by the press?

Italian media linked them with Paulo Sousa a while back and one of the Spanish papers said they were looking at Sampaoli, but I haven't seen anything concerete thus far.
I think as far as German (speaking) coaches go Nagelsmann and maybe Favre seem like the candidates you would look at first.
Watzke found some new respect for Hoffenheim (after accusing them of breaking 50+1) during the same interview that got this whole affair rolling, maybe Bild will run with it and write up some interest about Nagelsmann.
 
Looks like according to French and German media Favre is the front runner to replace Tuchel. Not exactly great sources thus far though (none of the reliable German papers and apparently RMC from France).
He would seem like the other logical choice next to Nagelsmann though, as far as German speaking coaches go.
 
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There is no chance for Dortmund to get Nagelsmann this summer. Laughable to think otherwise.
 
There is no chance for Dortmund to get Nagelsmann this summer. Laughable to think otherwise.

Why? I'm not saying it's very likely, but I wouldn't call it impossible. Dortmund is likely the biggest job he can dream of at this point, some guys wouldn't want to pass on such an opportunity. And Dortmund can afford to give Hoffenheim a decent compensation (or Ginter ;)).
 
Looks like according to French and German media Favre is the front runner to replace Tuchel. Not exactly great sources thus far though (none of the reliable German papers and apparently RMC from France).
He would seem like the other logical choice next to Nagelsmann though, as far as German speaking coaches go.
The quasi-internal BVB solutions Wolf or Wagner seem pretty logical to me. We need BVB people like @Sphaero or @Crossie to chime in here.

Nagelsmann is, of course, staying another couple of seasons at Hoffenheim, including the next one in CL, to practice for the Bayern job.
 
I don't see Dortmund installing a coach who has nothing but 2nd division football under his belt. That would probably be too hard to sell to their star players and share holders.
 
Why? I'm not saying it's very likely, but I wouldn't call it impossible. Dortmund is likely the biggest job he can dream of at this point, some guys wouldn't want to pass on such an opportunity. And Dortmund can afford to give Hoffenheim a decent compensation (or Ginter ;)).
Hopp has already ruled out any possibilty of letting Nagelsmann leave and Nagelsmann has also ruled out any possibility of him leaving.

Even if Bayern would want him and Hoeneß himself begging his budy Hopp on his knees..no way. BTW do I need to remind you about all the abuse Dortmund have given to Hoffenheim over the years and you think Hopp would be willing to help out? Come on.

Nagelsmann is going to be Ancelotti successor.
 
Were those assurances made before or after Tuchel's fate was seemingly sealed?

Hoffenheim are already down two important players and the season isn't even done. Even without those losses a repeat success would've been far from certain with their squad. They've also dropped down to fourth place and thus face a CL playoff as an unseeded team. Them dropping down into the less glamorous EL and then being unable to cope with the extra matches wouldn't be an original story (Gladbach say hello).

Additionally Bayern started going down the road of foreign high profile coaches and they seem determined to keep their current level and status as an European top club, so it's far from certain that they'll go for Nagelsmann next just because they are monitoring him atm, especially if things don't go well for him in the upcoming seasons.

So much for Nagelsmann's pov.

Hopp may utterly despise Dortmund and categorically rule out business with them or he might get moral satisfaction from seeing Dortmund's fans cheering for his guy or he sees it from a business perspective and rather wants to cash in than keep a coach against his will.

I'm not saying Dortmund can just snap with their fingers and Nagelsmann will come, but for aforementioned reasons I could see it happening, depending on the personal evaluations of every involved party.
 
Just found this for free on Noggie tv.

Great match so far

Go Leipzig!
 
What's the way to determine places in Bundesliga if same number of points? Goal difference, or head to head?

EDIT: Pretty much irrelevant in Hoffenheim-Dortmund case, as Dortmund wins both categories.