Bundesliga 2016/17

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The following 18 clubs compete in the 2016–17 Bundesliga season.

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Rumours here in Portugal that Dortmund is about to sign Raphael Guerreiro. Coentrão's natural replacement at our national team. Very good purchase if that's true. Big fan of him. Wanted him at Sporting but he's too expensive for us.
 
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Rumours here in Portugal that Dortmund is about to sign Raphael Guerreiro. Coentrão's natural replacement at our national team. Very good purchase if that's true. Big fan of him. Wanted him at Sporting but he's too expensive for us.
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If I'm not completely mistaken the president of his current club confirmed offers from both Liverpool and Dortmund (stating that they are too low).
 
do.ob said:
If I'm not completely mistaken the president of his current club confirmed offers from both Liverpool and Dortmund (stating that they are too low).
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That's what the vice president of Lorient confirmed to Ouest-France. He confirmed four bids but named only two clubs. Barcelona and PSG are also 'linked' with Guerreiro but we all know how much value 'links' have.

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You can probably not bet on that but if it would be possible then i would be on that Bayern Munich vs Leipzig will be the opening match of the season.
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I thought that it could be Schalke's turn this season.
 
Do you see the trend in Germany like I do it right now?

A lot clubs will try to get a piece of cake of that EPL money and sell some of their stars - and try to fill up with the talents of the midtable or other clubs?

Like Xhaka leaving to Arsenal - Gladbach will try to get back Kramer who they had to let leave back to Leverkusen (was on loan in Gladbach) a year or two ago. Rode will find a good place like this, too. Probably at Wolfsburg or Gladbach.
 
Hope you don´t mind me pulling this over in this thread, but I think this fits more in a general thread:

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I doubt they care, they will just pay the fines. Or, and that's the interesting part here: UEFA seems to accept clubs owned by companies. Bayer doesn't invest all that much into Leverkusen anymore, but Wolfsburg has always been interesting and they have been ignored by FFP. Leipzig might be the same.
Of course, if they get European football, their potential with sponsors is HUGE. Eastern Germany has some major companies these days, they might be willing to invest quite a bit of money into the club. There hasn't been a serious eastern German club competing at the highest level since the wall went down.
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I disagree with that thought, mostly because Leipzig has the same problem as other corporative teams like Wolfsburg and Leverkusen, which is brand recognition. All these clubs are recognised for a single brand, which overshadows all other potential sponsors. Now in Leipzig´s case that brand is of course huge and financially potent, but it still makes it harder for the club to get less dependent on said brand and gain multiple big sponsors like clubs like Bayern, Dortmund or Schalke do.

Now, while RB Leipzig has definitively the potential (stadium, academy, support, finances, etc.) to become a threat for the top third and will do so in the long run, I´m not as sure as others on here that they will rise as quickly (e.g. playing CL in a matter three years), though.

In comparision to the times when Hoffenheim or Wolfsburg tried to buy their way up, the circumstances have changed a bit. Chinese and English clubs flooding the market with money does not only make it harder for them to lure more established (especially foreign) players there with high wages, it also gives the poorer BL clubs the opportunity to cash in by selling some of their players there.

The way the currently do things with investing into youth (their already conducted dealings and interest in the likes of Embolo and Werner suggest that) is probably the right approach, but it still remains to be seen if Hasentüttl has the ability to play more proactive football and if the developments of their players can carry them into International football anytime soon. That team certainly needs a lot of work to accomplish that.

To break into the CL places will be a different challenge altogether aswell. Two of the four places are normally taken by Bayern and Dortmund, Leverkusen has a team with great potential and shown good consistency of reaching the places aswell, Schalke has with Heidel and Weinzierl now finally competent people in charge and Gladbach has been well managed for years. Throw in the annualy surprise team and they have quite a challenge on their hands.
 
And - like all of the other teams that aren't absolutely the top dogs - they will have problems to keep their best players.
 
According to Kicker Dortmund is about to sign Rode for €10-15m. I think he would be a decent addition to the squad, but the price seems way too high :wenger:
 
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Now, while RB Leipzig has definitively the potential (stadium, academy, support, finances, etc.) to become a threat for the top third and will do so in the long run, I´m not as sure as others on here that they will rise as quickly (e.g. playing CL in a matter three years), though..
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While I'm inclined to agree with your general assessment, I'm convinced Leipzig will rise to the top (maybe not very top, but top 3) in the space of maybe 3-5 years, mainly because Mateschitz always demands the best, and nothing less. He's only there to advertise his brand, and that is best to be done in the Champions League. He will continue to invest as long as necessary and will not rest his case until they are up there with Bayern and Dortmund, that much you can be sure of.
 
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While I'm inclined to agree with your general assessment, I'm convinced Leipzig will rise to the top (maybe not very top, but top 3) in the space of maybe 3-5 years, mainly because Mateschitz always demands the best, and nothing less. He's only there to advertise his brand, and that is best to be done in the Champions League. He will continue to invest as long as necessary and will not rest his case until they are up there with Bayern and Dortmund, that much you can be sure of.
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How often did Salzburg play in the CL again?
 
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How often did Salzburg play in the CL again?
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You know the answer, but it only underlines my point. After all the disappointments they have suffered (haha! I hate Red Null with a passion) they are still trying every year, and there is no sign of slowing down in terms of spending, despite Leipzig coming up from the 3rd to the 2nd Bundesliga a couple of years back. Mateschitz will keep trying, there is no doubt about that. I hope they fail massively, but in the long run I just can't see it.
 
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How often did Salzburg play in the CL again?
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I think they simply reached the maximum possible with Salzburg. There's just no way Salzburg can attract the players you need to regularly play in the CL group stages. It's funny that they never even managed to get through the CL playoffs and play in the CL group stages once but it's not a sign that they didn't try and continue to try.

I think the Red Bull brand is so huge in the sportsworld by now, that it creates interest in a way VW never can. There's just a positive vibe around their investment and it's a huge success story in so many different ways, be it outdoor sports, wintersports or Formula 1. I also think that Leipzig as a city isn't as big a hindrance as Wolfsburg or Hoffenheim are. It's a great city with history, the 10th biggest in Germany with a great new stadium. @Sphaero has a point that the Red Bull brand might overshadow the club too much to make it interesting for other sponsors, but Red Bull should be well connected in the world and find enough additional sponsors to get around that problem (along with the money they spend themselves).

They should quickly be in a better position to attract players than Leverkusen or Wolfsburg are. It might be difficult to catch up to Dortmund, let alone Bayern. But if Mateschitz really wants it and is willing to spend big money, challenging for 3rd shouldn't be too far away.
 
@Anduin @Balu

If you really want to and have the money putting a club like Salzburg into the CL groupstages should be a piece of cake.

15/16 Malmö +€1m net
14/15 Malmö +€32m net
13/14 Fenerbahce -€3.5m net
12/13 Dudelange -€15m net
11/12 Hapoel Tel Aviv -€3m net
10/11 Maccabi Haifa -€4m net
[clubs that kicked them out of CL qualifiers and RB S's net spend that season]


Don't tell me it's impossible to overcome these opponents, especially if you have deep pockets since there are more than enough talented players who are willing to join a weak league for a good paycheck.

To me that doesn't look like taking no for an answer or consistently trying.

Now how much does it cost to buy your way into the top (4) bracket of Bundesliga?
I'd say at least €150m-€200m in transfer fees alone if you're a very shrewd buyer, assuming Schalke take some time to get their shit together and Gladbach doesn't become stable. Probably some more if you're less attractive for being a fecking plastic club. Then there is wages, where again you have to pay more, because of your plasticness.
VW supposedly paid Wolfsburg €100m in 2011, plus they were accused of bullying some of their business partners into sponsoring the club.
That's not small money and it's not just an initial commitment but a responsibility that stays for the foreseeable future. Now maybe RB will really pay that, I don't know about their finances, but maybe they will look to establish themselves as an ambitious midfield club first.
 
Bild and Sky are reporting Rode to Dortmund as a done deal.

And Weinzierl to Schalke seems to be done too:
Weinzierl: "I'm happy that everything has been sorted"
Heidel: "nothing is missing but a signed piece of paper"

Darmstadt's Schuster will supposedly be his replacement.


And the player's union voted Aubameyang as POTS (19.5%), just ahead of Lewandowski (19.5%) and Mkhitaryan as third (12.6%) - baffling choice if you ask me.

Tuchel is their coach of the seaons with (27.3% of votes) ahead of Schuster (15.7) and Dardai (14.8%).

Just as in Kicker's pro players poll Weigl was vote newcomer of the season.
 
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Schuster to Augsburg and Weinzierl to Schalke is now offical. So many manager changes in the League next season, going to be very interesting.

Bayern: Ancelotti
Schalke: Weinzierl
Leipzig: Hasenhüttl
Augsburg: Schuster
Ingolstadt: Kauczinski
Darmstadt: ?
Hamburg:
 
Darmstadt seem pretty fecked don't they? They are losing their first choice LW (always thought of him as a shit LB) in Rausch on a free, they are losing one of their first choice CBs for free because Caldirola's loan ends, their keeper will be leaving to Hamburg for a small fee and with Wagner and Sulu (lol) both their topscorers, the latter is even their captain, suppsedly want to leave, too. Their squad was already terrible to begin with and imho their mentality was their biggest asset but that's also endangered now since the coach is leaving aswell.
 
Going to put my neck on the line and day Bayern will win it.
 
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Darmstadt seem pretty fecked don't they? They are losing their first choice LW (always thought of him as a shit LB) in Rausch on a free, they are losing one of their first choice CBs for free because Caldirola's loan ends, their keeper will be leaving to Hamburg for a small fee and with Wagner and Sulu (lol) both their topscorers, the latter is even their captain, suppsedly want to leave, too. Their squad was already terrible to begin with and imho their mentality was their biggest asset but that's also endangered now since the coach is leaving aswell.
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Darmstadt will finish dead last, I'm pretty sure about that. The 2nd season in the league is usually even more difficult than the first one. They need to improve their squad significantly but it looks to be the opposite. I can't see them getting a great coach either. They'll go for a big name who failed before or try someone unknown. I just can't see them staying up. Even the newly promoted teams will be really difficult to beat. Last season Darmstadt and Ingolstadt went up and both were pretty much newbies on a low budget. Next season Freiburg is back up with a strong team, lots of Bundesliga experience and an excellent manager in Streich and Leipzig with a much bigger budget than Darmstadt won't be easy to beat either.
 
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Darmstadt seem pretty fecked don't they? They are losing their first choice LW (always thought of him as a shit LB) in Rausch on a free, they are losing one of their first choice CBs for free because Caldirola's loan ends, their keeper will be leaving to Hamburg for a small fee and with Wagner and Sulu (lol) both their topscorers, the latter is even their captain, suppsedly want to leave, too. Their squad was already terrible to begin with and imho their mentality was their biggest asset but that's also endangered now since the coach is leaving aswell.
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Darmstadt will finish dead last, I'm pretty sure about that. The 2nd season in the league is usually even more difficult than the first one. They need to improve their squad significantly but it looks to be the opposite. I can't see them getting a great coach either. They'll go for a big name who failed before or try someone unknown. I just can't see them staying up. Even the newly promoted teams will be really difficult to beat. Last season Darmstadt and Ingolstadt went up and both were pretty much newbies on a low budget. Next season Freiburg is back up with a strong team, lots of Bundesliga experience and an excellent manager in Streich and Leipzig with a much bigger budget than Darmstadt won't be easy to beat either.
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I think Darmstadt have a bigger chance to stay up with a new coach, new players, different ideas/approach and fresh motivation.
 
Frasbul said:
I'm thinking of getting a Hoffenheim season ticket. I've never disliked them as much as most others and they are the only bundesliga team close to where I live. 140€ is a very good price too I think.
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The mere thought... Jesus wept.
 
Balu said:
Darmstadt will finish dead last, I'm pretty sure about that. The 2nd season in the league is usually even more difficult than the first one. They need to improve their squad significantly but it looks to be the opposite. I can't see them getting a great coach either. They'll go for a big name who failed before or try someone unknown. I just can't see them staying up. Even the newly promoted teams will be really difficult to beat. Last season Darmstadt and Ingolstadt went up and both were pretty much newbies on a low budget. Next season Freiburg is back up with a strong team, lots of Bundesliga experience and an excellent manager in Streich and Leipzig with a much bigger budget than Darmstadt won't be easy to beat either.
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Unfortunately I agree. But I think that most people around the club were aware that even getting a second season in the Bundesliga was another minor miracle for my home town club. I mean there were second/reserve teams in Germany that have a bigger budget then they have. The TV-money they'll earn will hopefully be wisely invested and the club needs to aim at establishing themselves as a solid 2. Bundesliga club in the coming years and even that will be hard enough.
 
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Darmstadt will finish dead last, I'm pretty sure about that. The 2nd season in the league is usually even more difficult than the first one. They need to improve their squad significantly but it looks to be the opposite. I can't see them getting a great coach either. They'll go for a big name who failed before or try someone unknown. I just can't see them staying up. Even the newly promoted teams will be really difficult to beat. Last season Darmstadt and Ingolstadt went up and both were pretty much newbies on a low budget. Next season Freiburg is back up with a strong team, lots of Bundesliga experience and an excellent manager in Streich and Leipzig with a much bigger budget than Darmstadt won't be easy to beat either.
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Its the usual story when an underdog team gets promoted to BuLi. 1st season, all the players overachieve, the team plays well and pulls a few surprises, some of the usual suspects bottle it, so the underdog stays up.
Season 2: Their best players, sometimes the coach, have left in direction of (resp. "get snatched" by) teams which can offer more money/more chances of winning silverware/more chances of staing in 1st league, which is absolutely ok in everyones book unless its Bayern doing the snatching. In 9 times out of 10, they can't be replaced adequately, with players of same class and commitment, so team goes down to obscurity. If they were smart enough not to blow all their dough for players in a valiant effort to stay in league 1, richer by a couple of millions.
Laws of the market, really.
 
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Sport and MD are reporting that Dortmund will be activating Bartra's release clause. Not sure what to think of that, afaik he was not exactly high in Barca's CB hierarchy, I guess at least he'll be comfortable on the ball.
 
Dirk Schuster to replace Schalke-bound Markus Weinzierl

In a statement on the club's website, Augsburg president Klaus Hofmann confirmed that Weinzierl, 41, would take the Royal Blues job:

"Markus Weinzierl has decided to leave FCA to continue his future at FC Schalke," Hoffmann said. "We thank him for four good years in the Bundesliga."

Weinzierl has signed a three-year deal and will form part of a new-look management team at Schalke, joining new director of sport Christian Heidel, who moved to the club from Mainz.

"I have followed Markus Weinzierl over a number of years, not just during his time at FC Augsburg," said Heidel. He is a manager who can give a team an entirely new tactical philosophy and that’s what he will do at Schalke."

"He is also a very good people person. We want to start something new at Schalke, and with Markus it’s very much a case of the right man at the right time."

Big challenge ahead

For his part, Weinzierl - who took over at Augsburg in 2012 - said he was looking forward to the challenge at Schalke, who underachieved in finishing fifth in the Bundesliga this season.

"I’m delighted that the club has put their faith in me. Being the manager at Schalke is a big challenge, but one that I’m happy to take on," he said.

"I’m looking forward to the new task ahead and to working with the team, and I will give my all in order for our work together to be successful."

While in charge at Augsburg, Weinzierl led the club to 5th in the Bundesliga in 2015 and to their first European campaign in the Europa League this term. They eventually lost to finalists Liverpool in the first knockout round of the competition.

Weinzierl’s replacement Schuster has signed a three year contract at the Bavarian club and will take his assistant Sascha Franz with him. Augsburg confirmed the news in a tweet which welcomed their new man and said goodbye to Weinzierl.

"We thank the coaching staff and Dirk Schuster for the achievements of the past three and a half years and wish him success in the future," Darmstadt president Rüdiger Fritsch said in a statement on the club's website.

Schuster steps up

German international Schuster took over at Darmstadt in 2012, achieving back-to-back promotions with the club in 2014 and 2015 before guiding them to survival against the odds this campaign. He said he'd never forget his time at the club.

"I am excited to take on a new challenge in Augsburg after a wonderful, unforgettable and successful time with Darmstadt," Schuster said.

Fritsch added that the search for a new coach had already begun and that The Lilies would make this their priority.

None of the clubs involved have released any compensation details but some reports have put the figure for Schuster, whose contract at Darmstadt ran until 2018, at just over 1 million euros.

DW
 
Germany international Gündogan moves to Man City

Germany international Ilkay Gündogan is moving from Borussia Dortmund to Premier League side Manchester City. He is new manager Pep Guardiola’s first summer signing. After the departure of Mats Hummels to FC Bayern München, BVB announced the news that a second regular would be leaving on Thursday. Man City have handed Gündogan a four-year contract.

"With Pep Guardiola as manager, I believe that Manchester City can achieve great things over the next few years," Gündogan told SID. "It is no secret that the type of possession football that Guardiola champions plays to my strengths." The Spaniard, who was in charge at Bayern München for the last three years, "made it clear in lengthy discussions that he wanted me in his team. The fact that the interest remained despite my injury made me even more convinced that there was a manager who rated me and absolutely wanted to sign me."

The Germany international continued: "Without a doubt, I am very grateful to the Dortmund fans and the club, who, above all, constantly supported me when I was sidelined with a back injury." Gündogan also thanked "both managers Jürgen Klopp and Thomas Tuchel, who have helped me considerably in my development." He is even happier “about the fact that I could keep my promise and the club has now received a decent transfer sum for me."

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World Cup Winner Zieler Signs For Leicester City

Leicester City have moved to bolster their goalkeeping options with the addition of Germany international Ron-Robert Zieler from Bundesliga side Hannover 96.

- German international goalkeeper Ron-Robert Zieler joins Leicester City from Bundesliga side Hannover 96
- The 27-year-old joins on a four-year contract for an undisclosed fee
- Zieler was part of the Germany squad that won the 2014 Fifa World Cup
- The goalkeeper played with Danny Simpson, Danny Drinkwater, Ritchie De Laet and Matty James as a youngster with Manchester United

Leicester City have moved to bolster their goalkeeping options with the addition of Germany international Ron-Robert Zieler from Bundesliga side Hannover 96.

The 27-year-old shot stopper joins for an undisclosed fee and has put pen-to-paper on a four-year deal to keep him at King Power Stadium until 2020.

Zieler told Foxes Player HD: “It feels great coming to Leicester and joining the Club after they’ve had such a great season – it’s really nice to be part of the Club now.

“I’ve been shown around the training ground and it looks very good and I’ve been to the stadium – I heard about the great atmosphere and the great fans, so my first impression is very good.”

Zieler adds significant experience to the Leicester City squad as they begin both the defence of their Premier League title as well as a first-ever UEFA Champions League campaign in 2016/17.

Not only does Zieler boast more than 200 appearances for Hannover in Germany, as well as in the Europa League, he was also part of Joachim Löw’s Germany squad that won the FIFA World Cup in 2014.

The Cologne-born ‘keeper has six Germany caps to his name, having made his debut in 2011 and has also won the UEFA Euro U-19 Championship with his country.

Domestically he has been an ever-present in Hannover 96’s previous five Bundesliga campaigns, but Zieler’s career actually began in England.

He joined the Manchester United academy in 2005, where he played alongside current City players Danny Drinkwater, Matty James, Danny Simpson and Ritchie De Laet.

Despite not appearing for the first team at Old Trafford, the goalkeeper did take in a two-game loan spell with Northampton Town during the 2008/09 League 1 campaign before eventually joining Hannover on a free transfer in the summer of 2010.

Zieler’s performances in Germany helped Hannover 96 to four impressive top-10 finishes during his first four seasons with the club, including a run to the Europa League Quarter-Final in 2011/12, when they went out to eventual winners Atletico Madrid.

Zieler will join up with his Foxes team-mates when they return to training in July, ahead of an exciting pre-season schedule which includes International Champions Cup matches against Barcelona, Paris Saint-Germain and Celtic.

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Ancelotti confirms Bayern’s roster is complete for next year

The Italian tactician is satisfied with Bayern’s work in the offseason, albeit it just two days into June.
After being controversially sacked by Real Madrid in May 2015, Ancelotti took this season off despite advances from AC Milan. During the midway point of the year, ‘Carletto’ signed a deal to take over as boss of Bayern Munich.

Speaking to BBC, Ancelotti explained what he thought of his new directorship’s work to upgrade the team’s capacity.

“We’ve already acquired two players, two great reinforcements and that’s enough for us. I think that our transfer market is closed, we won’t go bring others in to modify the squad.”

The German champions completed the signings of Mats Hummels and Renato Sanches last week from both Borussia Dortmund and Benfica respectively.

Ancelotti has coached in all of the top 5 leagues (awaiting Bayern’s debut) and has won titles in England, Italy, Spain and France in addition to 3 UEFA Champions League titles.

Italian Football Daily
 
Dortmund star Reus turns to fans on Facebook after Euro blow

Following his omission from Joachim Löw's 23-man squad for UEFA EURO 2016, Borussia Dortmund and Germany star Marco Reus has turned to his fans to explain the reason behind the decision.

"Dear fans, I would like to take this opportunity to personally inform you about my health," Reus posted to his 13.3 million-strong Facebook following. "Unfortunately I injured my adductors in the DFB Cup final [where Dortmund lost to FC Bayern München] and it got worse as the game went on. I tried for ten days with the DFB [the German Football Association] doctors to recover my fitness in time for the European Championship.

"Unfortunately, we were not able to initiate a quick enough healing process to be fit in time for France. We jointly decided with the national team coach that it would be of no use either for the team or for my own health to travel with the team."

It was a bitter blow for Reus, who also missed the victorious 2014 FIFA World Cup campaign in Brazil with an ankle injury. The 27-year-old attacking midfielder featured 26 times in the Bundesliga for Dortmund this season, contributing an impressive 12 goals and three assists as the Black and Yellows finished second to champions Bayern.

Reus remained upbeat despite his latest setback, however. "The most important thing in the coming weeks will be to heal the injury with a clear objective, to once again be 100 percent fit for Borussia Dortmund and then to fully attack the national team again!"

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Aubameyang:
"I feel very comfortable in Dortmund . I do not know what the future holds , but I feel very comfortable " , are the Gabonese insight into his inner life . That BVB again could not win a title , according Aubameyang has a simple reason : "We just lacked the experience . We got a new coach , who brought a new game philosophy . I think this year has been preparing for the coming . " As Marco Reus is a piece integrated well into the squad restructuring also Aubameyang after the departure of Mats Hummels and Ilkay Gündogan . " Exactly , so I canceled the international duty with Gabon . I had many meetings with the club management to talk about the future . It's strange to lose two key players . Especially since they were the backbone of the team . But I trust the club . There are many ways to find solutions and to make good transfers."
 
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So you're one of those funny guys who opens up a Bundesliga related thread to post that Bayern will win it. Very funny and original. Can't wait for the other 15 fellas who are gonna be just as funny.
 
dortmund have activated the buy-out clause (around €8m) for barca's CB marc bartra.

 
do.ob said:
So you're one of those funny guys who opens up a Bundesliga related thread to post that Bayern will win it. Very funny and original. Can't wait for the other 15 fellas who are gonna be just as funny.
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Typo included.
 
do.ob said:
Sport and MD are reporting that Dortmund will be activating Bartra's release clause. Not sure what to think of that, afaik he was not exactly high in Barca's CB hierarchy, I guess at least he'll be comfortable on the ball.
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Are you still in for Toprak? Given how little Bartra played the last seasons it could be a risky move going into the season with just Bartra as Hummels' replacement.
 
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Are you still in for Toprak? Given how little Bartra played the last seasons it could be a risky move going into the season with just Bartra as Hummels' replacement.
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I have no idea. And I don't really believe the press do either. Bartra was basically signed out of the blue, while everyone was still busy with Toprak. The club is keeping a very tight lid on things.
 
What is the difference between the Reus in 2014 (before the injury) and the one in 2016 ?
 
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