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icehole said:
Looks like the 12VHPWR connector might be a problem on the 5090s too.
Der8auer has a vid on it.
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Another guy explained why NVIDIA cheaping out on the input power section of the card was a bad idea.
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I don't game but have been looking at xx90 cards for LLM inference. I think I'll investigate if I can use a pair of 4070s instead.
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Only on the FE, so the original Nvidia versions, according to him. The custom cards are unaffected, because they actually regard each power pin individually, while the 5090FE only views all of the pins summarily as one big power source and does not regulate how much power is drawn by each of them.
Hartung has determined that in his example almost all of the card's power draw came in via only two of the twelve pins, with up to 22 Ampere being applied to one of them, resulting in temperatures of over 150°C on those cables.

It's incredible how Nvidia could mess that up for their top-of-the-line product.
 
Im done with AMD. Their crap drivers keep crashing. I cant be bothered to fix it after trying absolutely everything, the only option left is to reinstall windows or try linux. Will not buy AMD cards ever again
 
tenpoless said:
Im done with AMD. Their crap drivers keep crashing. I cant be bothered to fix it after trying absolutely everything, the only option left is to reinstall windows or try linux. Will not buy AMD cards ever again
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Why would faulty GPU drivers require the reinstallation of Windows (or switching to Linux)?
 
G3079 said:
Why would faulty GPU drivers require the reinstallation of Windows (or switching to Linux)?
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Maybe the linux one works better, I dont know actually. Because the windows 11 one is garbage. Every update results in worse stability. I did updates because I read the changelogs about "fixing ... and better performance on ..." so you'd think it will make everything smoother. But it resulted in my GPU getting disabled randomly even when I'm just idling on desktop - I don't even think it uses my GPU that much it's just rendering desktop ffs. When I did driver rollback the issue stayed there, never had this issue before December 2024 update. Tried DDU and clean install, tried disabling Windows Update, none worked. And there's no way I'm reinstalling Windows just to reinstall the correct driver version. I don't even remember which one worked!! so annoying.

My money is on the driver than the card. Because there has never been a single issue with startup checks during booting. And I could boot into Safe Mode and it works every time. Tried leaving the PC on safe mode for 10 hours+, GPU didn't get disabled that way. Safe mode doesn't use AMD driver, just Windows stock driver for bare minimum graphics. Hardware is useless with a crap software.
 
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What's a good budget upgrade on the 3060 rtx? Like not much more than 400 pounds max. Im unsure whether the next generation arriving soon is even going to lower prices.
 
Gehrman said:
What's a good budget upgrade on the 3060 rtx? Like not much more than 400 pounds max. Im unsure whether the next generation arriving soon is even going to lower prices.
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Price and availability of anything above an original 4070 is a shambles right now on the nvidia side and probably won't stabilize for a few months. Have you looked here to see what fits your needs? Amazon(uk) seems to have plain 4070s and 7800xts that are at your budget limit.
 
Gehrman said:
What's a good budget upgrade on the 3060 rtx? Like not much more than 400 pounds max. Im unsure whether the next generation arriving soon is even going to lower prices.
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I would wait to see what the 5050's are priced at personally. There're some AMD cards slightly better at that price, but the lack of DLSS and raytracing on chip support always puts me off those.

Overall, there's not really a worthwhile upgrade at the moment, the newer versions of DLSS in the 40/50 series are only the real upgrades. And that's only really viable for single player games.

Besides, the 3060 shouldn't be struggling with anything right now anyway, so you can wait (although I know the upgrade urge is real :lol:)
 
Redlambs said:
I would wait to see what the 5050's are priced at personally. There're some AMD cards slightly better at that price, but the lack of DLSS and raytracing on chip support always puts me off those.

Overall, there's not really a worthwhile upgrade at the moment, the newer versions of DLSS in the 40/50 series are only the real upgrades. And that's only really viable for single player games.

Besides, the 3060 shouldn't be struggling with anything right now anyway, so you can wait (although I know the upgrade urge is real :lol:)
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it's such a shit generation. I was fully on planning to upgrade from my 2060 super but the increases are so abysmal and the costs so astronomical that it's just too much. A fecking 5070 ti which is basically just a 5060 going for €1200 right now :lol:
 
Massive Spanner said:
it's such a shit generation. I was fully on planning to upgrade from my 2060 super but the increases are so abysmal and the costs so astronomical that it's just too much. A fecking 5070 ti which is basically just a 5060 going for €1200 right now :lol:
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Absolutely. Doesn't help with Nvidia down shifting the levels (so a basic 4060 is more like a 3050) and dropping VRAM.

DLSS and frame generation really is the only push forward we are getting right now, and they aren't without their issues. Shame AMD are only about brute forcing everything currently too. Nothing is really progressing.

My son has a 2060 super too, and there's absolutely nothing really worth moving him up to that doesn't cost stupid money. I myself only run a 40-series because my eldest needed an upgrade for his competitive gaming and my 3070ti was far better than anything newer for straight up performance.

It's crap at the moment.
 
Redlambs said:
Absolutely. Doesn't help with Nvidia down shifting the levels (so a basic 4060 is more like a 3050) and dropping VRAM.

DLSS and frame generation really is the only push forward we are getting right now, and they aren't without their issues. Shame AMD are only about brute forcing everything currently too. Nothing is really progressing.

My son has a 2060 super too, and there's absolutely nothing really worth moving him up to that doesn't cost stupid money. I myself only run a 40-series because my eldest needed an upgrade for his competitive gaming and my 3070ti was far better than anything newer for straight up performance.

It's crap at the moment.
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my 2060 super is struggling with some newer games now at 1440p sadly, but what a great card its been for the last 6 years, and for €430 too or something. It's crazy to replace it now which the modern equivalent I need to probably fecking double that.

I'm hoping these new mid rangers from AMD help things somewhat but the leaked prices suggest they probably won't :(
 
I'd keep an eye on how well the 5070 overclocks. Nvidia have underclocked the 5080 and it's getting a sure-fire 10-20% extra on stock voltage with low temps. It's all a bit of a mess with Nvidia trying to manipulate their pricing tiers.

If the 5070 does the same it'd be OK value at MSRP, but getting one near that is difficult at best of course.
 
tenpoless said:
Im done with AMD. Their crap drivers keep crashing. I cant be bothered to fix it after trying absolutely everything, the only option left is to reinstall windows or try linux. Will not buy AMD cards ever again
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I upgraded my 1060 to a 5700XT and ended up selling (fortunately for what I paid) within a few months and taking the plunge on a 3070 instead.

Same issues as you with it just crashing all of the time for no reason. Driver updates never solved anything and I've literally never had an issue since going back to Nvidia.

I was looking at doing a small build with one of the Intel cards, but I've heard their driver issues are even worse, so that idea is on the shelf for now.
 
Nvidia just keep making "great" headlines with their new cards. Besides their availability only in homeopathic doses and subsequently extremely high prices because of the continuing problems with scalping, they now are in the news for QA issues. After user and subsequent media reports about new 5000 series cards less ROPs (render output unit) than they should have according to their specs, Nvidia has now confirmed the problem:
We have identified a rare issue affecting less than 0.5% (half a percent) of GeForce RTX 5090 / 5090D and 5070 Ti GPUs which have one fewer ROP than specified. The average graphical performance impact is 4%, with no impact on AI and Compute workloads. Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for a replacement. The production anomaly has been corrected.
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The 5080s so far seem to be unaffected, but every other model of their new cards, including the Founders Edition bought directly from Nvidia as well as custom cards, can have the problem.

Another noteworthy downside of the new cards for fans of older games is that Nvidia has decided to drop 32bit PhysX support with this new generation. Games who use it will have to have to have this calculated via their CPUs, which comes at a noticeable performance loss and FPS fluctuations. Titles affected include Assassins Creed IV Black Flag, Mirrors Edge, Borderlands 2 or Metro 2033.
 
Can anyone help me decide between RX 7800 xt and RTX 4070
The radeon gpu is 100 usd cheaper at 650 usd.
 
weetee said:
Something between 650 and 700 I guess - though all depends on how many models are in stock.
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Yeah, that'd be about my guess, too. 600/550$ plus taxes is the price the 9070XT and 9070 are announced with and they usually shaft Europe on the exchange rates.

That's only of the cards are even available in any significant quantity, or else the same thing as with the Nvidias will happen and the original price quickly gets almost doubled.
 
Giggsyking said:
Can anyone help me decide between RX 7800 xt and RTX 4070
The radeon gpu is 100 usd cheaper at 650 usd.
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I'm on a 4070 and it's great. I can't really imagine living without DLSS. But you can probably do better for the price by going with something newer at this point, and FSR4 seems to be a major step up for AMD.
 
Bebe said:
I'm on a 4070 and it's great. I can't really imagine living without DLSS. But you can probably do better for the price by going with something newer at this point, and FSR4 seems to be a major step up for AMD.
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Yeah DLSS is thing that keeps me hesitating.
 
So today the 9070 xt is available in the Swedish market. Unfortunately it's for 1000 usd. Its 350usd more than 7800 xt and 250 usd more than Rtx 4070.
I think I will skip it.
 
Giggsyking said:
So today the 9070 xt is available in the Swedish market. Unfortunately it's for 1000 usd. Its 350usd more than 7800 xt and 250 usd more than Rtx 4070.
I think I will skip it.
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First day though. Is that the actual streetprize or the RRC? Because the street prize will likely go down as soon as the RTX5xxx series becomes actually available and/or the stock of 9070xt is growing.

Pondering about that right now as well but will update CPU and Mainboard first (+ram +new ssd) and then come back to the GPU dilemma. I want DLSS 4.0 as well but buying a 4070 isn't really attractive as well at the current price point with "only" 12GB. BUt I can wait a couple of months and then check out the 5060 ti (or super, dunno how it's named, the one with 16gb).

edit: quick google check and it's about 569 £ in UK.
 
weetee said:
First day though. Is that the actual streetprize or the RRC? Because the street prize will likely go down as soon as the RTX5xxx series becomes actually available and/or the stock of 9070xt is growing.

Pondering about that right now as well but will update CPU and Mainboard first (+ram +new ssd) and then come back to the GPU dilemma. I want DLSS 4.0 as well but buying a 4070 isn't really attractive as well at the current price point with "only" 12GB. BUt I can wait a couple of months and then check out the 5060 ti (or super, dunno how it's named, the one with 16gb).

edit: quick google check and it's about 569 £ in UK.
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Where are you even seeing stock? Can't see them even listed on amazon or caseking.
 
G3079 said:
That's the old 7900XT, not the new 9070. I'm not seeing any 9070 being sold by any store yet. Unsurprising, market start for the card is at 15:00 CET.
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Yea, sorry you're right
 
Massive Spanner said:
ffs :lol: so much for loads of stock, I'll wait a few months then.
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That was just one English seller (Overclockers UK - l.ol) with my 5secs google search. Was mentioned in a German tech site so no idea how reliable the info is
 
Massive Spanner said:
Where are you even seeing stock? Can't see them even listed on amazon or caseking.
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In Sweden only one online shop had it (on double check its a danish online shop), three other online shops had it for few minutes at the same price, but went out quickly.
 
Because I've linked to the site before today and they're, I think, the biggest PC parts distributor in Germany (used to order my PC stuff there myself) Mindfactory is possibly heading into insolvency according to rumors. Just a heads up in case someone from Germany is following this thread.
 
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