Bruno..Possession..Hell No

[romufc]

It’s crazy really. I think KDB is viewed through what I can only describe as ‘tinted specs’ so much so that I’ve incredibly seen three or four mentions on here for him to be POTY. I think he lives off his reputation massively and people seem to view him as this passing perfectionist when that is nowhere near the case. His performance yesterday was fecking hilarious. In fact he’s put in quite a few stinkers against us recently.

If Bruno put in the KDB performance, it would be all over the news, Bruno does not do it in the big games, the caf would be going mental saying "he is not as good as we thought".

I don't get why fans buy into certain social media posts about him, whats worse is it comes from United fans, rival fans who I speak to actually think he is a special player.

 

[MadDogg]

Why would a rawkite spend his time on a United forum? Does such a person feel better after winding up opposition fans? Does it bring extra joy in one's life? Why on Earth would you spend your time on a forum amoung fans of an archaic rival?

To be fair redcafe is widely considered the best online footballing forum. Or at least it was a few years ago, it does feel like it's gone downhill a bit since then so not sure if it would still hold that position, but I expect that's online social media in general and all forums would be similarly inflicted. I feel there's enough good discussion on here to keep rival fans coming back and most of the regular ones provide good discussion in their own right. Why you'd pretend to be a Utd fan is more than a bit strange though.

 

[galwayfa]

Bruno is brilliant but I remember a game v Newcastle earlier in season, he gave ball away loads of times, didn't look interested then he scored 1 and set up 2 or was it he scored 2 and set up rashford goal, all my mates that are Liverpool fans, can't understand why he's rated as high as he is, there is not many players in world football id swap him with

 

[mitchmouse]

Can't say I believe everything in Th Sun but they are claiming this, which sounds true to me and I've sort of felt it coming. If he ha said this, he isn't exactly wrong!

• Bruno Fernandes has demanded assurances about Manchester United's transfer plans before he commits to a new long-term deal

 

[justsomebloke]

I am enjoying watching Bruno but my opinion of him in this will be highly unwelcomed by majority of Utd fans. I know he is a bit of freak with his goal/assist but whenever I watch him can’t shake the feeling he is very Sneijder. Can influence games greatly with space and creative wide players around him but not the type to bulldoze through the midfield like a Kaka or Aimar. To me it’s one of the reasons we are not doing very well in possession and when teams park the bus we don’t do much.

This is not an attack on his ability because like everyone is noticed his numbers give all the answers to any questions. Just don’t think as a team we’ll ever play some tippy tappy football with him as the driver of our attack.
Can someone drum some common sense into my head? What say ye?

Oh! I am a Manchester United fan. Never supported Liverpool but my wife is. So figure.

I would rather say he's at least as much an asset when teams park the bus as he is on the counterattack. He's got 5 league goals in established play this season by my reckoning (3 against Everton, + the last against WBA and his goal against Leicester) and God knows how many assists. You could argue that he's the main reason we are now, with few exceptions, beating low-defending mid/low-table teams, which before his arrival we really struggled to do.

 

[cyberman]

Can't say I believe everything in Th Sun but they are claiming this, which sounds true to me and I've sort of felt it coming. If he ha said this, he isn't exactly wrong!

• Bruno Fernandes has demanded assurances about Manchester United's transfer plans before he commits to a new long-term deal

He joined on a 5 and a half year deal with an option for another.
So its nonsense.

 

[YAMS49]

Came in the thread to read about Bruno & possession.... Left rather confused...

 

[Dan_F]

We had these threads for the period where Giggs played central. He's a high risk player who tries the difficult pass, he could just play it safe like everyone else but it wouldn't get us anywhere.

There's a general trend on here that a player has to make every pass and score every chance.

I honestly think this is far more down to things like FIFA than people realise. Bruno takes it to the extreme, but even with Rashford, expectations of dribbling are so high.

Can't say I believe everything in Th Sun but they are claiming this, which sounds true to me and I've sort of felt it coming. If he ha said this, he isn't exactly wrong!

• Bruno Fernandes has demanded assurances about Manchester United's transfer plans before he commits to a new long-term deal

It’s obviously shit. He was playing in the Portuguese League just over a year ago, and committed to a contract that has over four years to run. We’re basically giving him a reward of doubling his pay for good performances.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Wow, this made 5 pages and some posters actually tried discussing it, you utter loons.

 

[wolvored]

Dont know where else to put this, but read today Bruno wont sign a new contract and is waiting to see if we spend big in the summer. Not a good sign. Its on multiple sites but here is one link LINK

 

[tomaldinho1]

Dont know where else to put this, but read today Bruno wont sign a new contract and is waiting to see if we spend big in the summer. Not a good sign. Its on multiple sites but here is one link LINK

Doesn’t really matter in today’s climate. Who can afford any big signings at the moment? He’s not going City and I doubt PSG would be that appealing.

Can we get back to the true core of this thread though. Who is the imposter account?

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Strange bunch these Liverpool fans.

 

[wolvored]

Doesn’t really matter in today’s climate. Who can afford any big signings at the moment? He’s not going City and I doubt PSG would be that appealing.

Can we get back to the true core of this thread though. Who is the imposter account?

Sorry my bad

 

[Manny]

Wow, this made 5 pages and some posters actually tried discussing it, you utter loons.

Some are even confused! Funny watching the OP try and carry on as if nothing happened though

 

[Robbie Boy]

Came in the thread to read about Bruno & possession.... Left rather confused...

Sooo what you're essentially saying is that you support Liverpool?

 

[Withnail]

Doesn’t really matter in today’s climate. Who can afford any big signings at the moment? He’s not going City and I doubt PSG would be that appealing.

Can we get back to the true core of this thread though. Who is the imposter account?

It's no longer an imposter account.

The mods have somewhat acceded to his demands. Turns out he took over his Liverpool supporting wife's account years ago but was very reluctant to openly share this info for some reason.

 

[Withnail]

Sooo what you're essentially saying is that you support Liverpool?

 

[YAMS49]

Sooo what you're essentially saying is that you support Liverpool?

There's a chance after this thread, yes. What the hell happened?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

There's a chance after this thread, yes. What the hell happened?

Everyone stupid enough to enter into any kind of debate automatically became a closet scouser.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Turns out he took over his Liverpool supporting wife's account years ago but was very reluctant to openly share this info for some reason.

Sounds legit.

 

[tomaldinho1]

It's no longer an imposter account.

The mods have somewhat acceded to his demands. Turns out he took over his Liverpool supporting wife's account years ago but was very reluctant to openly share this info for some reason.

As lies go, that's a very poor one

 

[YAMS49]

Everyone stupid enough to enter into any kind of debate automatically became a closet scouser.

Ha, nice. I only came to read the thread, I had no opinion... honest.

 

[KikiDaKats]

Last year when I made my view known. I got accused of being a scouser. Or being influenced by social media.
Nothing against the lad or his idea of how the game should be played. Mainly because I'd go as far as saying management at the time shared the same view.

Watching skysports news and the way they are trying to selling the reasons
for his contract extension, just doesn't sit right with me. I want my team to be dominant and not a one man show. We can't continue to build a team around this bloke. Great to have him in the team but shouldn't building around him.,for reason I've already mentioned when I started this thread..

 

[VP89]

Last year when I made my view known. I got accused of being a scouser. Or being influenced by social media.
Nothing against the lad or his idea of how the game should be played. Mainly because I'd go as far as saying management at the time shared the same view.

Watching skysports news and the way they are trying to selling the reasons
for his contract extension, just doesn't sit right with me. I want my team to be dominant and not a one man show. We can't continue to build a team around this bloke. Great to have him in the team but shouldn't building around him.,for reason I've already mentioned when I started this thread..

I think Brunos frustrating habits can be coached. If you look at his skillets and work rate, he has the potential to be a vital cog in the wheel rather than a one man star with an open remit.

 

[KikiDaKats]

I think Brunos frustrating habits can be coached. If you look at his skillets and work rate, he has the potential to be a vital cog in the wheel rather than a one man star with an open remit.

One thing he can never be accused of is a lack of effort or trying. He will always try just don't think we should be building a team any one player, especially him.
I wouldnt mind his constant runs into the 18 for a goal or his assist attempt, if he focused on one and let others take up the other. Lampard was good with his runs and let others focus on the creativity, Sneijder very creative but won't try to be the main scorer as well. To be honest its a breeding ground for chaos.

 

[RedRonaldo]

I don't think he is a good AM, but he is a great shadow striker and final ball player.

 

[VP89]

I don't think he is a good AM, but he is a great shadow striker and final ball player.

I think hes a superb AM. He just needs to cut out wasteful passes from deeper areas in the pitch. Especially those in our own half.

 

[MadDogg]

I think Brunos frustrating habits can be coached. If you look at his skillets and work rate, he has the potential to be a vital cog in the wheel rather than a one man star with an open remit.

That's my hope as well. Since he's been here we've been an incredibly individualistic team, which encourages and rewards Bruno's extremely risky play.

With a proper system in place around him that puts emphasis on control and domination (which is hopefully what we will move to), hopefully he can rein those instincts in a bit and be more patient. There's no issue with trying a lot of risky passes (De Bruyne and TAA do similar for City and Liverpool) but there is no doubt that Bruno goes overboard with it.

 

[RedRonaldo]

I think hes a superb AM. He just needs to cut out wasteful passes from deeper areas in the pitch. Especially those in our own half.

Not for me, he often leaves a big gap in our midfield and doesn't help much in our buildup play, I'd prefer our AM to link up our midfield better and connect our midfield to attack more, its primary role of AM. But he is a great impact player who plays in AM, who scores and assists alot. Hence he is very important player for us.

 

[therealtboy]

Not for me, he often leaves a big gap in our midfield and doesn't help much in our buildup play, I'd prefer our AM to link up our midfield better and connect our midfield to attack more, its primary role of AM. But he is a great impact player who plays in AM, who scores and assists alot. Hence he is very important player for us.

I have a feeling ten Hag uses him as a false 9 like he used Tadic prior to this season. Would allow him be further up the pitch while we create more balance and fluidity behind him.

 

[wise_old_man]

I have a feeling ten Hag uses him as a false 9 like he used Tadic prior to this season. Would allow him be further up the pitch while we create more balance and fluidity behind him.

Does Tadic play as a False 9 or a Target Man?

 

[Sky1981]

Can't say I believe everything in Th Sun but they are claiming this, which sounds true to me and I've sort of felt it coming. If he ha said this, he isn't exactly wrong!

• Bruno Fernandes has demanded assurances about Manchester United's transfer plans before he commits to a new long-term deal

If this is true, he can feck off as well

 

[wise_old_man]

If this is true, he can feck off as well

Why? Rooney also demanded something like this if I'm not mistaken. He even threw in a transfer request.

 

[Judas]

If this is true, he can feck off as well

Why? You can want to know our transfer plans and what the future holds, but someone employed by the club can't?

 

[Sky1981]

Why? Rooney also demanded something like this if I'm not mistaken. He even threw in a transfer request.

Yep. Years ago wrote the same. he can feck off

this just reek "gimme more"

If he cares, he could have run more and show more on the pitch, not with his "demand"

 

[ForeverRed1]

He is good enough to be coached into it. A world class coach can improve him imo.

 

[Ekeke]

I am enjoying watching Bruno but my opinion of him in this will be highly unwelcomed by majority of Utd fans. I know he is a bit of freak with his goal/assist but whenever I watch him can’t shake the feeling he is very Sneijder. Can influence games greatly with space and creative wide players around him but not the type to bulldoze through the midfield like a Kaka or Aimar. To me it’s one of the reasons we are not doing very well in possession and when teams park the bus we don’t do much.

This is not an attack on his ability because like everyone is noticed his numbers give all the answers to any questions. Just don’t think as a team we’ll ever play some tippy tappy football with him as the driver of our attack.
Can someone drum some common sense into my head? What say ye?

Oh! I am a Manchester United fan. Never supported Liverpool but my wife is. So figure.

I think the answer is no he's not going to cause a team to be a possession team, he's a risk taker thats able to produce something to win games. But that doesnt mean he cant play in a posession team. It just means he needs to have teammates who are good on the ball, dominating the ball and able to find him in dangerous areas so he can keep trying things at the sharp end where plenty of possession type players lack the ability to get the goals.

So for example you arent going to put Bruno in the team instead of someone like Xavi. You would want someone like Xavi in the team getting the ball to a player like Bruno who is more of a forward.

But you wouldnt have Messi or Ronaldo instead of Xavi either. You'd want both and for different functions.

And thats where we are at, with players who on form should be able to create and score goals as they have proven in the past like Bruno last year and Sancho the last 2 years, but we don't have players able to dominate the ball and get them into great positions and chances like some of the the best midfielders of the past have been able to for their teams.

Pogba has the talent but he turns it on half as often as those kinds of players did and you cant rely on him even against the bottom 15 sides to stand head and shoulders over the competition. Other than him our midfield's ability to linkup with the front players is average at best. So a lot of the time it comes down to Bruno coming deep because our midfield isnt able to find him in the final third with regularity and then trying to make something difficult happen with just a few targets in front of him for a pass or cross. And sometimes he gives the ball away frustratingly and other times he finds a great pass that sets up a goal.

 

[therealtboy]

Does Tadic play as a False 9 or a Target Man?

Prior to this season, was a false 9 but since Haller joined he has been playing off the left wing.

 

[yumtum]

Are we not in a pretty advantageous position with regards to his extension purely for the fact we signed him on a long contract while he was at his peak, he'll be 31, almost 32 by the time his contract expires.

Obviously it's best to get him tied down for longer, but he's got 3+1 years left.

 

[V.O.]

If this is true, he can feck off as well

I don't think I blame him at all for wanting assurances that the direction/people making the decisions around transfers is changing before signing a longer term deal. It's not like he's threatening to join City or Liverpool like Rooney and Heinze.