I'm confused. So which one of you is MadWinger?
Bruno..Possession..Hell No
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Haha. He looks like him right. Never really notice.
As a fan I’d like to think so. The general belief that good players are capable of playing in any team, can be tested in some instances. Our case Veron(my favourite player outside of United), Griezman, Alli etc.. or maybe they were not just good enough.
One thing that strikes me with him, when the team is struggling he looks like the guy that keep saying “not under my watch”.
Agreed
Still haven’t figured out what the hell is going on in this thread.
not sure that cartwheel fella, would appreciate this!Was it Liverpool?
He is 100% a rawkite. If you can point me to a single positive post about United they've made I will give you 50p.
Yep. When Jamie Carragher was the coach.
Is Jamie your favourite Liverpool player ever then?
Fans that are never happy.
Have a player that passes safe in Perreira or Lingard who didn't affect games, the thread was we need more creativity.
A player that tries the risky passes and has lower pass completion now fans are complaining its not safe enough.
Its funny because since Bruno has come in we have probably lose the least amount of PL games, scored the most goals and still people can complain.
All jokes aside. Michael Carrick.
It’s like two separate conversations. There’s been a valiant attempt to rescue the thread but the lure of our very own Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy is too hard to resist.
This feels like something from @Sweet Square 's hypernormalization thread.
Can we get this thread back on topic?
Why is the OP pretending to be a United fan? Nobody cares about this lame discussion anyway
Why is the OP pretending to be a United fan? Nobody cares about this lame discussion anyway
This thread needs deleting. Why are Pool fans trying to convince themselves (can’t convince us!) that Bruno is not that good? We struggle against low-blocks, so what’s the solution? Take out the player who’s bagged unbelievable numbers of goals and assists against those teams who employ it, because his risky passes, which have unlocked many a low-block, don’t come off once in a while
Bruno is world class and has been better than every single Pool player in terms of performances in their own position since January 2020.
Bruno is world class and has been better than every single Pool player in terms of performances in their own position since January 2020.
This thread needs deleting. Why are Pool fans trying to convince themselves (can’t convince us!) that Bruno is not that good? We struggle against low-blocks, so what’s the solution? Take out the player who’s bagged unbelievable numbers of goals and assists against those teams who employ it, because his risky passes, which have unlocked many a low-block, don’t come off once in a while
Bruno is world class and has been better than every single Pool player in terms of performances in their own position since January 2020.
The problem is that there seems to be a growing number of Manutd fans who actually are convinced by this. I have no words for them.
We couldn't create a chance prior to Bruno, now we are one of the better creators in the PL.
Goals - 16 - 2nd in the league
Assists - 10 - 3rd in the league
Goals + assists - 26 - 2nd in the league
XA - 9.4 - Best in the league
Key passes - 76 - Best in the league
That's how good he is. Not completing extra 3-4 passes won't change a thing
Assists - 10 - 3rd in the league
Goals + assists - 26 - 2nd in the league
XA - 9.4 - Best in the league
Key passes - 76 - Best in the league
That's how good he is. Not completing extra 3-4 passes won't change a thing
We had these threads for the period where Giggs played central. He's a high risk player who tries the difficult pass, he could just play it safe like everyone else but it wouldn't get us anywhere.
There's a general trend on here that a player has to make every pass and score every chance.
There's a general trend on here that a player has to make every pass and score every chance.
He’s not far off De Bruyne in terms of his approach to the game (although De Bruyne tends to move out wide more often and is a little more careful in terms of keeping possession). Bruno is also forced to play this way as he is our only consistent creative player when Pogba is out (although Shaw has been massively improving in that regard lately), as others are either prioritizing goals or can’t make a creative pass even if their lives were depending on it.
So are you a Liverpool fan or not? You have blatantly been rumbled so might as well admit it.
First reading? Understood
Second reading? Makes sense
Third reading? Excellent reply
In this side he can’t vacate that hole and for his goals as well.
Back to topic. What makes my statement wrong? What say Ye?
Bruno is a risk taker in a squad that is comprised mostly of safe players.
He plays with a forward mentality and doesn’t accept anything less.
He plays with a forward mentality and doesn’t accept anything less.
So are you a Liverpool fan or not?
Back when I was working at Nokia, guy in our department organised a piss-up for a Friday night. Unfortunately, instead of the office email list, he managed to send it to the company-wide email list, the one that the top management (CEO, VPs, etc) used to communicate big stuff.
Nothing came of it though he was shitting it for a while. And we hoped that the CEO would show up with a beer in hand but he didn't, the fecking loser nerd.
These people think Bruno is the only attacking midfielder who loses the ball
For me, there are three world class 10’s in world football - Bruno, KdB and Muller. People need to watch how many times the latter two lose the ball trying to create. KdB in particular was absolutely shocking against us, as if he became Jonjo Shelvey.Bruno might lose the ball more, but that’s because of the sheer number of low percentage passes he plays.
These people think Bruno is the only attacking midfielder who loses the ball
Bruno might lose the ball more, but that’s because of the sheer number of low percentage passes he plays.
Agreed.
In the PL this season Bruno has opposition half passing of 75% and KDB at 79%. Considering that City play a possession based game, I would say the figures are pretty comparable.
Now, Bruno has actually created more chances than KDB but KDB is looked as the model CAM.
I cannot believe fans will have a go at someone who creates chances and scores goals.
To top it off on another thread, a poster is trying to tell me Bruno has limited raw ability.
Ignoring the strange 'Liverpool fan seems to be pretending to be a Utd fan' aspect...
Bruno will never be a huge possession player. He will always take risks and attempt to force the issue, and he gets it right enough that that is absolutely fine most of the time. The only issue is that sometimes he goes overboard, and gives the ball away so often (in pointless ways) that it actually stops us building play and hurts out attacking ability. A good example was a month ago against West Brom, where he was so incredibly bad in the first half that he destroyed almost every bit of possession we had. Literally our best attacking move in that half was when Bruno was down in the opposition penalty box with a bit of an injury and we just played on, without him there giving the ball away it allowed us to play the ball around and get players into space. Of course, Bruno being Bruno he ended up scoring a fantastic volley with his weak foot at the end of that half to get the final product anyway. But it's when he's having those types of games that I wish he'd just play it safer for a while and get his eye in, then start pushing the issue a bit more.
Bruno will never be a huge possession player. He will always take risks and attempt to force the issue, and he gets it right enough that that is absolutely fine most of the time. The only issue is that sometimes he goes overboard, and gives the ball away so often (in pointless ways) that it actually stops us building play and hurts out attacking ability. A good example was a month ago against West Brom, where he was so incredibly bad in the first half that he destroyed almost every bit of possession we had. Literally our best attacking move in that half was when Bruno was down in the opposition penalty box with a bit of an injury and we just played on, without him there giving the ball away it allowed us to play the ball around and get players into space. Of course, Bruno being Bruno he ended up scoring a fantastic volley with his weak foot at the end of that half to get the final product anyway. But it's when he's having those types of games that I wish he'd just play it safer for a while and get his eye in, then start pushing the issue a bit more.
I think you got it wrong on Bruno's behalf. If you had watched him play at Sporting, you would know very well that he likes players moving past him very quickly. He likes to do well when he can find players moving into space or running past a defender. Bruno doesn't like sitting on the ball, he's a player who has brilliant peripheral vision. He will quickly find a pass if there is an option at his disposal. It is hard to see Bruno dribbling with the ball because he is a #10 and the area requires the player in that position to quickly move the ball when he receives it.
Of course, it looks like he loses a lot of possession because our forward players are stagnant when the opposition parks the bus and he tries every trick in the book to find a pass. Bruno is a brilliant player week in week out, he hardly has a bad game and if it looked like that that's only because we do not have many players who move into space quickly or make passes and run into space. There you go!
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This makes a LOT of sense now.
Bruno tends to be too direct. But this applies to whole United team this season, we play simple vertical football especially against the top sides.
He's getting good numbers but I believe he'd do even better if he played the safer pass, especially when there is very very little chance to benefit from going long for example. That's my problem with Bruno. He suits all styles of play though, so it's not like were getting most of him playing that way. Plus, I'd like him more involved in build up play since he's the one who can pass and dribble under pressure. I do not like how high he plays at times recently.
He's getting good numbers but I believe he'd do even better if he played the safer pass, especially when there is very very little chance to benefit from going long for example. That's my problem with Bruno. He suits all styles of play though, so it's not like were getting most of him playing that way. Plus, I'd like him more involved in build up play since he's the one who can pass and dribble under pressure. I do not like how high he plays at times recently.
Why would a rawkite spend his time on a United forum? Does such a person feel better after winding up opposition fans? Does it bring extra joy in one's life? Why on Earth would you spend your time on a forum amoung fans of an archaic rival?
I'd rather he played the risky pass, I still have the memories of Pereira and Lingard trying to muster attacks (and failing miserably) etched into my memory.
I’ve heard that one hundreds of times. We’ve all watched Bruno loads of times since he arrived and in World Cup 2018, and I genuinely cannot see any reason why people might think he’s not that talented. What are they seeing? He sometimes loses the ball trying to play passes that will almost certainly lead to a goal if it comes off. In that case, Messi, KdB, Muller etc are all bad players too.
This is a big and overused word when describing players, but Bruno is an absolutely amazing player. Truly world class, and that is overused too, but applies perfectly to Bruno.
It’s crazy really. I think KDB is viewed through what I can only describe as ‘tinted specs’ so much so that I’ve incredibly seen three or four mentions on here for him to be POTY. I think he lives off his reputation massively and people seem to view him as this passing perfectionist when that is nowhere near the case. His performance yesterday was fecking hilarious. In fact he’s put in quite a few stinkers against us recently.
He’s very impactful so he needs to start but he needs better players in possession around him. His passing is erratic. Having him with McTominay & Fred who also can’t pass needs to be upgraded on
Yeah Scott and Fred combination needs upgrading if we are to really kick on and dominate midfield. Both are decent but having to field both due to the lack of a top DM in the squad should not be a long term solution.
Agreed, this is what you get from players who try things. Do people think that Messi has 100% dribbling success? or passing accuracy?
It seems the players questioning Bruno have only watched him over the last month and have ignored that he has actually bossed the Portugese league as well.
You need some sort of natural ability to do what he does, pass, create and even strike the football the way he does.