They were certainly better than Moyes' and Van Gaal's United, which is what Mata swapped them for.
Bruno is underrated thread
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Well there’s the problem with the question, how great does a great team have to be if a CL & FA cup double doesn’t count?
Something we’d be over the moon with now, in fact, we’d probably give a left testicle for that.
The poster was suggesting that no great team had a player as bad as Bruno at 10, as if we have to replace him to be “great” again. That might be true like if we’re talking league domination and CL. But we’re not only miles off that, it’s impossible with the Abu Dhabi football project in the league.
Can we be a top side again that wins big things with Bruno? Absolutely, as Mata, Mount, Litmanen, Joe Cole, Sneijder are testament to that.
As for true great teams, how many have there really been? I’d imagine if we wanna be great again, we likely don’t have a single player in our current team good enough. Not a single one would start the 2007 CL final for instance, so Bruno would be approaching retirement by the time we’ve build that.
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There are actually United fans out there who think Bruno is the problem.
Absolutely convinced huge swathes of fans either don't watch football or don't understand it. Its the only explanation for the supreme idiocy on display regarding fernandes. We should be grateful he's given his prime to the mess around him
Its embarrassing. Pseudo-tacticians who convince themselves they're Rinus Michels every time he misjudges a pass
Only on the caf is this opinion even remotely a thing. All his fellow professionals rate him extremely highly.
I’m convinced one of the high profile bullshitters came up with the theory and folk have simply latched onto it because a) we’re shite and b) Bruno’s mannerisms grate on them.
Frankly though, anyone who thinks Bruno is one of the big problems in this team is short of a few braincells.
86% pass completion again, just the 9 key passes
“problem”Not just the caf. There are plenty of tweets that get thousands of likes slating him. I will never understand it.
There is definitely a decent chunk of United fans that don't rate him.
I’m convinced one of the high profile bullshitters came up with the theory and folk have simply latched onto it because a) we’re shite and b) Bruno’s mannerisms grate on them.
Frankly though, anyone who thinks Bruno is one of the big problems in this team is short of a few braincells.
86% pass completion again, just the 9 key passes
This is exactly what's happened. Hes become an outlet for frustration about how poor we are post Ferguson, driven by the overstated criticism of one part of his game and because people don't like his complaining. If we had more Brunos we'd be right at the top
Yeah but @Jeppers7 isn't a very high bar for intelligence is he?
My IQ is 127
One of the strengths of my high iq is abstract reasoning. It means that I can evaluate beyond narrative. One of the negatives is that the majority can’t.
The narrative lead to Jamie Redknapp getting visibly frustrated and defending Bruno on live tv.
He can give it away plenty, but if the delivers goals and assists, there's a balance there. Its if it comes to nothing for many many matches it can be incredibly frustrating.
Assisting in the real world too
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/br...l-camp/bltdb73989cb30b5781#cs96e453558a3f0f7b
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/br...l-camp/bltdb73989cb30b5781#cs96e453558a3f0f7b
And the minutes?
Now add # of shots...
There’s always been a correlation between goals scored and shots taken. Ronaldo consistently took more shots than basically every other footballer.
Bit of a side note but Hojlund would be a much better striker if he took more shots.
I get the feeling he'd be a better striker if our other forwards took less shots.
Can't wait for Salah to piss off somewhere else.
Bruno probably has the most. Another reason he’s such a great player to have in our squad. Ability to avoid injury is probably one of the single most important attributes for any footballer to have. Because they’re all completely useless when they’re not available for selection.
I don’t actually know if the others take more shots than the average for their position. I know he’s a big outlier to the opposite extreme though.
Yeah that's not a very telling graphic considering Bruno is often near the top of our shot takers every game (a bit uncommon for a midfielder) and also takes all of our penalties.
Personally think his finishing has gotten a fair bit worse as he's aged, those final years at Sporting and early on here he was far more consistent as a finisher than he is now. Still has all of the creativity though
He definitely is, but since he's joined it's like nobody looks for him, that or his movement is utterly shite.
Edit - sorry, wrong thread.
Garnacho takes a shade under 4 shots per game putting him in the 96th percentile.
Rashford takes a little over 1 and a half which is very lower.
Just watched that clip of young Biancheri nicking another goal for Wales. Safe to say Hojlund would not have made that same run. But maybe that will come with experience. It needs to.
At least over the last 365 days he has taken quite a few less shots per 90 than Salah and De Bruyne. More than Son.
It will be interesting to see if Amorim can't get him into more goalscoring positions with the ball. One of my main complaints with the final version of that "ETH system" was that it largely saw players other than your main forwards with the best opportunities to create a chance or shoot. Felt like our wingers would be asked to stay extremely wide while the likes of Dalot would be looking to thread balls into a box crashing Casemiro or Eriksen, which is stupidly backwards considering the personnel we have. Meanwhile Hojlund/any other striker would basically just sit in the middle of the box and hope a cross came or they could pounce on a deflection most of the tim.
Probably better off finding a metric of percentage of shots he takes for us, those teams will all have players blasting away more than we do considering they are all far better attacking sides. Last I saw I'm quite sure he was near the top for us.
If we were debating which side was better then that would make sense. The fact that Bruno scores and creates goals at such high numbers in a comparatively poor side only speaks to his credit.
If anything it would be great if we had players who could get Bruno into more positions to take shots. God knows he does enough of that for his teammates which the stats bare out but we can tell just by looking.
Surely we would like to see the comparison though, it's clearly a table comparing the top names?
Ok, we'd need to then adjust the stats to the last 365 days? That metric in the tweet is since his debut
Post #467.
I mean the initial point from the graphic questioned if Bruno was underrated as a goalscorer/finisher because he had 83 goals since his debut. I said "no" considering he takes a fair amount of our teams shots+takes penalties, and his best finishing years were actually for Sporting and his initial time here.
I'm not questioning whether or not he deserves credit for his stats, he clearly does
You can adjust whatever you like. The stats of how many shots all players take are available on fbref. Bruno has only been in the 90th percentile for the Premier league in one season. He doesn't take an abnormal number of shots.
Correct, the stats don’t lie
That tells us nothing?
It would tell us if he was a big outlier compared to those other players in terms of how many shots he takes. Turns out he isn’t.
It’s funny how every time Bruno scores a goal the previous tweet that highlighted his goals and assists gets updated by one and tweeted out again.
I get when this is done with Ronaldo and Messi or even frequent scorers like Haaland because they are breaking actual records. Bruno isn’t really breaking any records so the stats tell us what we already know, which is he’s a very creative player. Adding his goals to his assists is just another way to make the stat look better than it really is. I wouldn’t say Bruno has been that impressive of a scorer since after his first 1.5 seasons here.
He’s a productive player of course but how many players even qualify for being in the PL from February 2020 until now. Players like Kane, Mane, Zaha, Mahrez have left and players like Haaland, Odegaard, Palmer, Saka have had much less minutes.
I get when this is done with Ronaldo and Messi or even frequent scorers like Haaland because they are breaking actual records. Bruno isn’t really breaking any records so the stats tell us what we already know, which is he’s a very creative player. Adding his goals to his assists is just another way to make the stat look better than it really is. I wouldn’t say Bruno has been that impressive of a scorer since after his first 1.5 seasons here.
He’s a productive player of course but how many players even qualify for being in the PL from February 2020 until now. Players like Kane, Mane, Zaha, Mahrez have left and players like Haaland, Odegaard, Palmer, Saka have had much less minutes.
Another day at the office for Bruno...
Disaffected staff putting in minimal effort and concentrating on revenue generation rather than helping others.
No wonder he sprang into action!