Who's genuinely better suited for us? Savic or this guy?
Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability
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Hopefully Fred will be able to take over that role from Matic. If we sign Longstaff, he could rotate with Fred.
4-4-2 is the solution which becomes a 4-2-2-2 when we attack
Rash - Striker (Martial/Greenwood/ Lukaku/ Yedder)
Pogba - Bruno
Fred - DM
Back Four
It’s not like we have proper wingers (other than James) to play 4-3-3, this suits our players
Better to have players who can share creativity burden and eventually replace Pogba too when he is missing or sold, and that should happen before Pogba is sold.
I second that. When pogba leaves and not if, we need a player ready to take place. And given most players need a year to settle it is best we buy one this summer.
I agree. We badly need creativity and need new players while at the same time, we could put dross like Lingard and Mata on a stadium seat
It would make pogba better too. At the moment, if you stop pogba you seriously damage United as a whole. Such is the lack of creativity in the side. It becomes very difficult to stop two in the middle though.
Well he's never had a problem playing with Griezmann for France or Dybala at Juve so I think you're over thinking this. Pogba has never been a No.10 and will never be one so will have no problem playing alongside one.
I see him a bit similar to Seedorf who played for years with Kaka and Rui Costa without a problem.
1 more season at Sporting it seems. Good for our league to remain more competitive.
if we played
rashford
martial James / Greenwood
Bruno/ Gomes
Pogba Mctom.
Shaw Lindelof Maguire AWB
De Gea
as long as the wingers and Bruno tracked back and helped defensively I could see this work . adds lots of creativity to unleash the pace we now have
rashford
martial James / Greenwood
Bruno/ Gomes
Pogba Mctom.
Shaw Lindelof Maguire AWB
De Gea
as long as the wingers and Bruno tracked back and helped defensively I could see this work . adds lots of creativity to unleash the pace we now have
Doesn't strike me as the most obvious comparison, to be honest. Seedorf was a team player par excellence, tactically very astute, etc.
If Pogba turns into Seedorf in terms of that stuff, combined with his natural talent and skill, he'll be pushing for GOAT territory.
Very much doubt it.
United ready to launch bid for Fernandes. 50 million but still short.
Is that from Delaney?
Yeah, but Mirror also.
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United to lodge 'concrete Fernandes bid'
Manchester United will lodge a ‘concrete bid’ for Bruno Fernandes before the transfer window shuts, according to reports.
The Independent claim that Fernandes’ club Sporting CP have already rejected offers from United for the playmaker, with a £50million figure expected to be the magic number if the Reds are to land their man.
Fernandes is reported to be keen on the move while the report states that United remain interested in Newcastle’s Sean Longstaff.
Bruno Fernandes of Portugal (Image: TF-Images/Getty Images)
The highlighted bit made me chuckle a bit. Not much point making a bid after the window shuts.
United to lodge 'concrete Fernandes bid'
Manchester United will lodge a ‘concrete bid’ for Bruno Fernandes before the transfer window shuts, according to reports.
The Independent claim that Fernandes’ club Sporting CP have already rejected offers from United for the playmaker, with a £50million figure expected to be the magic number if the Reds are to land their man.
Fernandes is reported to be keen on the move while the report states that United remain interested in Newcastle’s Sean Longstaff.
Bruno Fernandes of Portugal (Image: TF-Images/Getty Images)
The highlighted bit made me chuckle a bit. Not much point making a bid after the window shuts.
Maybe he signs for us but this all feels a bit Gaitan. Bid around the corner, bid comming tomorrow, bid when your grandma bakes you some cake, bid when a baby is born under a bleeding star and the Long Night descends on the world... 
That team looks like it would get pulled apart and overloaded down the sides against good sides and at the same time have a lack of width against weaker deep sitting sides.
I think someone like Barella would have been the better target this summer and allow Pogba to play with more freedom rather than restricting Pogba and signing someone like Fernandes.
Dybala I will give you but they only played together one season and they were the dominant force by a mile in the league and never got anywhere in the Champions League when facing good opposition so still questions left unanswered there even.
Griezmann I disagree. i think Pogba did have problems with Griezmann and that's why France often struggled without Giroud in the side. With Giroud in it meant Griezmann was playing further forward and more on the shoulder with Giroud being the one to drop deeper at times and he is a totally different skillset to Pogba so they were not in each others way or trying to or wanting to do the same things.
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Pogba is an amazing player but I think you have to be willing to build your pieces around him rather than having a pre-defined structure and then ask him to play a disciplined role within it.
I think if we get Bruno, then it's a sure fire sign that Pogba will be off next summer. Bring Bruno this summer and get SMS next summer before letting Pogba go to Madrid. This'll re-order our midfield and ensure that all the bases are covered in terms of what Pogba provides us.
I find it strange considering his record last season that a whole host of top clubs aren't seemingly in for him. Even we aren't exactly beating their doors down to sign him. I guess maybe any move we make is contingent on what Pogba does to a large extent
Think If Pogba is not gone this summer he's definitely gone next summer.
Just curious... Why would you prefer SMS when there are better players to replace Pogba?
I think its more a case of how he'll compliment Bruno. He's better defensively than Pogba but not as strong offensively. Bruno can provide the goals and approach play, while SMS can also contribute towards that approach play and be more diligent defensively.
Think it could potentially work to a good degree.
feck's sake if it's Delaney reporting that we are in for him I'm worried. That fecker had never been right.
The same point made me furious. Shouldn't we have lodged a concrete bid well before the team flew out to Oz? You know, so we might have been able to sort the transfer before Preseason as Ole wanted...just crazy to me that we are penny pinching as if we had the luxury of another seven years of missteps to get things right.14:56
United to lodge 'concrete Fernandes bid'
Manchester United will lodge a ‘concrete bid’ for Bruno Fernandes before the transfer window shuts, according to reports.
The Independent claim that Fernandes’ club Sporting CP have already rejected offers from United for the playmaker, with a £50million figure expected to be the magic number if the Reds are to land their man.
Fernandes is reported to be keen on the move while the report states that United remain interested in Newcastle’s Sean Longstaff.
Bruno Fernandes of Portugal (Image: TF-Images/Getty Images)
The highlighted bit made me chuckle a bit. Not much point making a bid after the window shuts.
Think Ole wants him and supposedly Ed & Co. are not happy with what his club are asking.
I suppose most have players in his positions or don’t play in a way that would accommodate him. Plus very few probably have the cash to buy him and if you’re spending big you could throw 20 mil more and maybe get a better option.
You took the comparison too literally. I made the comparison mainly on a positional basis. Pogba has played off the left in the diamond formation which was Seedorf's position in AC Milan's diamond.
Your opinion of Pogba doesn't match up with what has actually happened in his career. At Juve under both Allegri and Conte he excelled in a team with a defined structure. He was given creative freedom of course but was part of a team. The same happened in Deschamps World Cup winning French team where he had a clearly defined role and was one of the best CMs in the competition.
Its at Manchester United where we've asked him to be the centrepiece of the team that he has struggled. He has shown he's anything but Gerrard who you compared him to earlier. He's not a player that can lead a team or be the main attacking player.
Pogba is at his best when he has a defined role with some creative freedom.
You claimed he will lack discipline alongside Fernandes which is based on nothing. One of his best games was against your Chelsea side in the FA Cup where he played LCM and Mata played No.10. He destroyed you scoring a goal and getting an assist while working perfectly with Mata.
45-50 would be a right offer. The quoted 70m is way too much.
Ah, fair enough.
Pogba isn't really a good fit for a standard LCM role in a diamond - but I do think he'd work in a diamond of sorts, in a freer role (with more of a water carrier/hard worker on the right, perhaps).
Anyway, if your point is that he doesn't need to be the main man, as it were, but rather someone who'd compliment a playmaker (or two, for that matter) I agree with this. In fact, I think in many ways he'd benefit from not being the main man. He wasn't at Juve, to make the most obvious example.
We better sign him or a similar player or there should riots. We simply can not go in to another season with Pogba the one and only creator from MD.
Bruno needs to push hard for this himself if he wants the move, like Rojo did. I hope United and Sporting can come to an amicable agreement though. Both clubs have always been on friendly terms
I've never been keen on us buying this guy but it looks like if we don't we'll be stuck with Lingard or Mata at the tip of the diamond.
Well now it looks like Pogba is staying we will see if signing Fernandes was reliant on him leaving
Or if there is any interest on any level at all.
Probably was imo, and that’s a shame. Think they could both play together.
Couldn't agree more. Between AWB and Maguire we have solid defense and if nobody gets seriously injured Tuanzebe feels like a decent backup to develop.
We should sell Jones, Bailley, Rojo, Darmian, and Dalot. They aren't good even as backups. Buy one quality player instead of that ballast and we are better off!
What is this based on exactly?
Nothing. Ducker and Hirst both said we're interested in Fernandes regardless if Pogba leaves.
I’ve seen reports that gave said we are interested. Either big splashes every few hours in Portugal, or typically sub lines in an article about something completely different.
Those same people have written the same stuff about many others like William Carvalho for example.
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