Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability

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If no one has bid for him till now then he must be plan b.
Plan A
Spurs- Eriksen staying
Man utd - Pogba staying

I cant see either team accommodating him otherwise
 
UpWithRivers said:
If no one has bid for him till now then he must be plan b.
Plan A
Spurs- Eriksen staying
Man utd - Pogba staying

I cant see either team accommodating him otherwise
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You can’t see United accommodating him unless Pogba is sold? Really? So you think if we were to sign him it would be to play in a two-man centre midfield, behind Lingard or Mata?
 
sherrinford said:
You can’t see United accommodating him unless Pogba is sold? Really? So you think if we were to sign him it would be to play in a two-man centre midfield, behind Lingard or Mata?
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Seeing that Pogba has consistently played in a midfield two in preseason, and Fernandez as I understand plays as a 10/much closer to goal, he’s not a Pogba replacement.
 
Grande said:
Seeing that Pogba has consistently played in a midfield two in preseason, and Fernandez as I understand plays as a 10/much closer to goal, he’s not a Pogba replacement.
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He plays as a 8 too, and will be a Herrera replacement.

Reality will strike when our midfield plays in a two with pogba as a deep lying player when he gets exposed.

 
Sp00ks11 said:
We need to replace Fellaini and Herrera..
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Do we really though?

Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred and Andreas are all centre-mids, with three of them capable of playing more advanced in a 4-2-3-1.

I can certainly understand arguments against the quality we’ve got but I’m not so sure that the club are actually dead-set on buying a sixth central midfielder.

Unless Pogba leaves then a centre-half and a versatile Lukaku replacement seem more likely.
 
trafford1980 said:
Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred and Andreas are all centre-mids, with three of them capable of playing more advanced in a 4-2-3-1
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We saw how well they can play last season. We are doomed if we go into the season with just them as midfielders.
 
Patrick08 said:
We saw how well they can play last season. We are doomed if we go into the season with just them as midfielders.
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Agreed. Pretty mental that we seem to not he interested in centre mids. Matic needs replacing badly, that position is the heart of the team.
 
trafford1980 said:
Do we really though?

Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred and Andreas are all centre-mids, with three of them capable of playing more advanced in a 4-2-3-1.

I can certainly understand arguments against the quality we’ve got but I’m not so sure that the club are actually dead-set on buying a sixth central midfielder.

Unless Pogba leaves then a centre-half and a versatile Lukaku replacement seem more likely.
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Those midfielders will kill us all season long, Periera & Fred are liabilities, Matic is MLS/China fodder now, & Mctominay is promising, but is hardly proven yet.

Regardless of numbers we have there, it'd be a negligent to not buy at least one quality midfielder, but in reality we need two.
 
Patrick08 said:
We saw how well they can play last season. We are doomed if we go into the season with just them as midfielders.
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Yes, I don’t think they’re a good enough group either but none look like leaving and that’s why I don’t think we’ll sign another. I think Longstaff might have appealed when United thought they could pick him up at a reasonable price, but not at his “not-for-sale” premium.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
As a young player he played a total of 86 times for Udinese, including 2 straight seasons of 31 league appearances and 33. Whilst for Sampdoria he started 33 times in the league two years in succession. So the idea he isn't proven at that level is some what wide of the mark
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I really disagree. That he went back to an inferior league after a few years says it all about his time there. He was an average player at a mid table club in Italy which isn't being proven a the top level.
 
trafford1980 said:
Do we really though?

Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred and Andreas are all centre-mids, with three of them capable of playing more advanced in a 4-2-3-1.

I can certainly understand arguments against the quality we’ve got but I’m not so sure that the club are actually dead-set on buying a sixth central midfielder.

Unless Pogba leaves then a centre-half and a versatile Lukaku replacement seem more likely.
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We're in trouble if Matic, Pereira and Fred form 3 of our 5 CMs.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I really disagree. That he went back to an inferior league after a few years says it all about his time there. He was an average player at a mid table club in Italy which isn't being proven a the top level.
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Respectfully, it seems like You are readily conflating being a star with being proven. Over 30 games a league season 4 times, under the age of 23 in any top league is the definition of being proven. At worst you can claim he wasn't a break out star. But unproven? No way
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Those midfielders will kill us all season long, Periera & Fred are liabilities, Matic is MLS/China fodder now, & Mctominay is promising, but is hardly proven yet.

Regardless of numbers we have there, it'd be a negligent to not buy at least one quality midfielder, but in reality we need two.
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I would agree
amolbhatia50k said:
We're in trouble if Matic, Pereira and Fred form 3 of our 5 CMs.
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100 % correct, midfield options are not good enough to get into the top 4.
 
trafford1980 said:
Do we really though?

Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred and Andreas are all centre-mids, with three of them capable of playing more advanced in a 4-2-3-1.

I can certainly understand arguments against the quality we’ve got but I’m not so sure that the club are actually dead-set on buying a sixth central midfielder.

Unless Pogba leaves then a centre-half and a versatile Lukaku replacement seem more likely.
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In my opinion definitely, although disappointingly I don't see the club buying anyone. I think replacing Herrera should have been one of our priorities if we have injury to McTominay we are screwed the other guys in the midfield haven't been very good. Fred and Perreira both need good seasons or they can feck off next summer when Matic hopefully fecks off when his contract expires, unless we foolishly give him an extension due to his experience which I really hope does not happen.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
You are readily conflating being a star with being proven. Over 30 games a league season 4 times, under the age of 23 in any top league is the definition of being proven. At worst you can claim he wasn't a break out star. But unproven? No way
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Chief, he started 17, 16, 24 & 23 games in Italy before going back to a lesser league. I count a key player as someone that starts 30+ (around 3/4+) league games in a season, as he has for Sporting.

Bruno is a big money transfer and the expectations that he'll come to England with will be far greater than being an average player at a mid-table club. My original point is that I'm not going to have a meltdown if he signs for Spurs like some are on here because he's a punt.
 
0161_UNITED said:
The hate on Lingard is way overblown on here. And we have no idea what will happen. Dybala might be in the mix...
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Got a feeling if Bruno comes which, I don't think will happen but seriously hope he does, is that he will beat Jesse Lingard's contribution of 4 goals and 2 assists in League from last season.
 
DiceRoller said:
Can we stop taking about a United team featuring Lingard as a starter. Not if we harbour hopes of getting back to the top or just generally.
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This 100%. I had very high hopes that we were in for Bruno, and not just to replace Pogba but to play alongside him, complement him and add some much needed goals from midfield.

If we are serious about pushing on Lingard shouldn't be anything other than a very capable sub.

Yes, as someone has said we have Matic, Fred and Perreira but (nearly) everyone agrees that Matic's legs have gone, Fred is way too inconsistent and very erratic and Perreira just isn't good enough in any one position at this point in his career.

So at this point (besides Pogba anyway) McT is our best and most trustworthy midfielder. Much as I rate him and hope he turns into the player we need, it is a big ask of him.

I have been trying to stay optimistic about our transfer dealings but there are still some very worrying weaknesses and some downright holes in our team! The promised rebuild isn't quite what I expected.
 
If Spurs walk in and pick him up for ~£60m then it’s the best indicator you will need that his agent and club have been using our name to promote his sale all window. Their chairman has even admitted they have been trying to sell him all window.

It’s a shame because I think he’d do well here and we need more midfielders capable of producing attacking numbers but if he’s not in the club’s plans and never was then we can only really criticise them for that when he comes to the league and excels.
 
Patrick08 said:
He plays as a 8 too, and will be a Herrera replacement.

Reality will strike when our midfield plays in a two with pogba as a deep lying player when he gets exposed.
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Possibly, but I’m not sure. It’s very different when we press more busily with the front four. Pogba is not a good presser, but he’s hard to get by and can cover ground. In the front four, he weakens our high press, but when he’s in the pivot, with high press or more aggressive press, it’s often enough to be hard to get by.

When Pogba was in a pivot under Mourinho, the press in front of him were almost non-existent, and he was a liability because of his positional laxness and his lack of aggression in the press. I also think he’s better in a pivot with McTominay than Matic, who is more of a positional defender, ie. not so aggressive, meaning CM gets on the back foot, and Pogba ruins his positional play anyway, and he hasn’t got McTom’s engine to cover for Pogba.

Pogba in a pivot has worked well defensively against Spurs and Inter in preseason, his biggest problem has been his nonchalance in possesion sometimes ceding the ball in dangerous areas.

It’s nothing like under Mourinho, though we’ll see when the season gets rolling how it will pan out, of course.
 
Pexbo said:
If Spurs walk in and pick him up for ~£60m then it’s the best indicator you will need that his agent and club have been using our name to promote his sale all window. Their chairman has even admitted they have been trying to sell him all window.

It’s a shame because I think he’d do well here and we need more midfielders capable of producing attacking numbers but if he’s not in the club’s plans and never was then we can only really criticise them for that when he comes to the league and excels.
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I really do think this is the case. Our passing interest has been used by a desperate Sporting to create a market.
 
trafford1980 said:
Do we really though?

Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred and Andreas are all centre-mids, with three of them capable of playing more advanced in a 4-2-3-1.

I can certainly understand arguments against the quality we’ve got but I’m not so sure that the club are actually dead-set on buying a sixth central midfielder.

Unless Pogba leaves then a centre-half and a versatile Lukaku replacement seem more likely.
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Other than MCT they all are meh, unless you believe mid table is good enough for us.
 
Volumiza said:
This 100%. I had very high hopes that we were in for Bruno, and not just to replace Pogba but to play alongside him, complement him and add some much needed goals from midfield.

If we are serious about pushing on Lingard shouldn't be anything other than a very capable sub.

Yes, as someone has said we have Matic, Fred and Perreira but (nearly) everyone agrees that Matic's legs have gone, Fred is way too inconsistent and very erratic and Perreira just isn't good enough in any one position at this point in his career.

So at this point (besides Pogba anyway) McT is our best and most trustworthy midfielder. Much as I rate him and hope he turns into the player we need, it is a big ask of him.

I have been trying to stay optimistic about our transfer dealings but there are still some very worrying weaknesses and some downright holes in our team! The promised rebuild isn't quite what I expected.
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Totally agree about about the rebuild. I thought we were going to bring in 5 players, which I thought was a brilliant way to start out rebuild and I seriously thought we were getting rid of a lot of deadwood, which got me excited. I really liked it when Ole said he wanted his signings in by preseason, as I thought we would have 5 players with time to get used to Ole's methods and gel with the team, which I think would have helped us improve a lot next season. At the moment it looks like Ole did get all his signings in by preseason but Woody didn't get him enough, which is fecking pathetic.

At the moment I would really take a centreback and midfielder, although I would have ideally liked 2 mdfielders and I also believe we should have got right-winger as well. Although I can't see us signing anybody. But Woody has a week to surprise me which I hope does but seriously doubt.

Agree on your first point in bold. We are looking weak in midfield and if McTominay has injury we are fecked. So much work was needed on the squad and Woody's given us 2 signings. I have always thought that this transfer window was going to be one of the most important in recent history and was really optimistic at the start but feel badly let down. I know this rebuild is going to take more than one window but we are in danger of falling further behind the top teams at this rate.

Agree that Lingard should be used as a sub in the hope that he will come on and score a spectacular goal which I didn't see him do last season. He had a semi decent season the one before last and thinks he has made it here. 4 goals and 2 assists in the League all season is not good enough and for this contribution we are supposedly offering him a contract extension with an increase in wages of £30,000. Baffles me:annoyed:
 
Eric's Seagull said:
Totally agree about about the rebuild. I thought we were going to bring in 5 players, which I thought was a brilliant way to start out rebuild and I seriously thought we were getting rid of a lot of deadwood, which got me excited. I really liked it when Ole said he wanted his signings in by preseason, as I thought we would have 5 players with time to get used to Ole's methods and gel with the team, which I think would have helped us improve a lot next season. At the moment it looks like Ole did get all his signings in by preseason but Woody didn't get him enough, which is fecking pathetic.
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Yep. I'm actually a big fan of the two signings we have made, especially AWB but I had really pinned my hopes on Bruno as to me it looked like a no brainer for a Herrera replacement and for some creative pressure to be taken off Pogba.

Eric's Seagull said:
At the moment I would really take a centreback and midfielder, although I would have ideally liked 2 mdfielders and I also believe we should have got right-winger as well. Although I can't see us signing anybody. But Woody has a week to surprise me which I hope does but seriously doubt.
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If it was a proper rebuild, this should have been priority after AWB. Lindelof is almost there, he really showed what he was capable of last season but we need another top notch CB next to him. The Maguire talk (it still may happen) seemed right to me. I know a lot on here don't think he's worth it but I actually do. He's a sure thing.

Midfielder though ... definitley!!! We're so light in midfield that if you take Pogba out, we have a 'bottom half of the table' midfield.

Eric's Seagull said:
I have always thought that this transfer window was going to be one of the most important in recent history
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It should have been. We cannot afford to slip lower than 6th. Now I'm not saying we will, but it isn't out of the question. We should have been pretty busy and astute with our signings and with AWB and James, it looked like we understood. Now, I'm not so sure.

Eric's Seagull said:
Agree that Lingard should be used as a sub in the hope that he will come on and score a spectacular goal which I didn't see him do last season.
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He is a great sub to have on the bench, I don't rate him as a first teamer but he can definitely do a job for us off the bench.
 
It's very obvious that Bruno wants us and no one else - the best from any player that we want!
 
edcunited1878 said:
United didn't mess up Hazard at all. Hazard was stringing along 3 clubs when he already knew his mind was made up for Chelsea. United, Chelsea and some other PL club were his 'finalists'. And I don't recall Bernardo Silva ever being a serious candidate for United.
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We were front runners but didnt want to pay the agent fees. We were also heavily linked with Silva but were negotiating forever until City came in and just bought him
 
I'd put the chances of us signing him at about 10%. If we had wanted the player, we've had a free run at him all summer. We cannot be convinced for whatever reason. We have definitely scouted him extensively but if we wanted this deal to happen, we'd have done it by now.

Only chance he comes to us now is as a last minute panic buy so everyone please stop beating yourselves up about it, I'm sick of hearing his name.
 
Volumiza said:
Yep. I'm actually a big fan of the two signings we have made, especially AWB but I had really pinned my hopes on Bruno as to me it looked like a no brainer for a Herrera replacement and for some creative pressure to be taken off Pogba.



If it was a proper rebuild, this should have been priority after AWB. Lindelof is almost there, he really showed what he was capable of last season but we need another top notch CB next to him. The Maguire talk (it still may happen) seemed right to me. I know a lot on here don't think he's worth it but I actually do. He's a sure thing.

Midfielder though ... definitley!!! We're so light in midfield that if you take Pogba out, we have a 'bottom half of the table' midfield.



It should have been. We cannot afford to slip lower than 6th. Now I'm not saying we will, but it isn't out of the question. We should have been pretty busy and astute with our signings and with AWB and James, it looked like we understood. Now, I'm not so sure.



He is a great sub to have on the bench, I don't rate him as a first teamer but he can definitely do a job for us off the bench.
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I think our 2 signings have been decent and am glad we at least addressed one area we needed a serious upgrade in. I agree on your first point in bold because if Pogba doesn't turn up or the opposition manage to nullify him, we lose creativity which I think Bruno would massively help us with.

I am happy with the way that Lindelof is progressing, I think the fee for Harry Maguire is over the top but that is the market and we should have paid up a long time ago as we knew what it was or just moved on to another target. I think Leicester said that fee as they thought no-one would be crazy enough to pay the fee quoted, I don't think they want to sell him as they think they have a chance to qualify for Europe. It makes no sense for them to sell their best players. Although I don't agree with the fee we just need to accept it is a crazy market and if we want him that bad, we'll just have to pay it.

Totally agree with your second point in bold and can't understand why we let Herrera go without replacing him. I really want this transfer to go through but I don't think it will happen.

Also agree with your second point in bold. If we don't some signings in quick, I think we will really struggle.
Think this rebuild is pathetic.

I also think that Lingard could do a job off the bench as he is capable of coming off the bench to score a spectacular goal. But he needs a good season or I think he should go as 4 league goals and 2 assists is not good enough in my opinion, but I read the club are going to giving him an extension and a £30,000 week increase which I don't think he deserves. He had semi decent season 2 seasons ago and he thinks he has made it.
 
Best case scenario: incompetent Ed uses Levy to negotiate down the fee, and then matches Spurs’ offer and Bruno picks us over them.
 
Bastian said:
Best case scenario: incompetent Ed uses Levy to negotiate down the fee, and then matches Spurs’ offer and Bruno picks us over them.
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Woodward's strategy is make a bid worth feck all in the beginning of the summer, get rejected, become angry and brief the press that we've moved on, come back 2 months later with a slightly improved offer and end up paying 20 million more than was originally the planned.
 
Reports from Portugal are that Tottenham's offer was around 45M euros. It was an official proposal so if no other offer comes Sporting has to pay 5M euros to Bruno and make him the most highly paid player on their roster. Also Bruno Fernandes was in a meeting with the club president today and rumours are that he asked to leave. I think things will evolve rather quickly from now on.
 
bondsname said:
Woodward's strategy is make a bid worth feck all in the beginning of the summer, get rejected, become angry and brief the press that we've moved on, come back 2 months later with a slightly improved offer and end up paying 20 million more than was originally the planned.
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I've said it many times - Ed is the only negotiator where the price goes up as a result of his negotiating not down.
 
He is their second choice. They want to put pressure on Betis for Lo Celso to lower the price. If not, then Bruno for a cheaper fee. But Bruno will be as expensive as Lo Celso, so i would be pretty confident that Spurs will go back to Betis, unless Sporting sell him under 60m. Their first offer of 45m is a bit of a joke, so it tells me Spurs want to get him for a lower fee than Lo Celso, who would cost between 60 and 70m.
 
Mylock said:
I would agree


100 % correct, midfield options are not good enough to get into the top 4.
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I don't even think that's good enough to get into the top 6.... Wolves have a better midfield than that
 
I have no idea why this thread is so long.

We've repeatedly denied any interest, to the point of briefing journalists that we have no idea why it's being thrown around that we're negotiating for him. Yet people think we're close to signing him.

Madness.
 
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