Cheers. Still hugely serviceable for us in our set up. Would be nice to have a proper and consistent contribution from that area of the pitch (in both directions).
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He is not Bruno agent.
We don't have to include a player if we just pay the fee
A good negotiator does not allow Bruno to play against Benfica for risk of injury
So if the above is correct its poor negotiating on Uniteds part, which Woodward is again ultimately responsible for if we still have the same negotiators as 3 years ago
Apparently we never bid because they were looking for £75m+, yet they were in advanced talks with Spurs for £58m, right... You really believe that?
The point is not moot. It opposes the Ducker info completely. It broke down because of the unrealistic add-ons, if they offered €65m/£58m straight, it would have been accepted = He was available for £58m last summer.
Did think we'd hear more today to be honest, tomorrow it'll be "we've got a game" so potentially nothing will happen, Thursday will come along, then they've got a game Friday haven't they? Then it's the bloody weekend again!
Last summer killed my career of being a muppet especially with Portuguese targets. Can anyone tell me if there's anything concrete in this or if its the same bollocks that happened with him over the summer?
Liverpool signed Minamino 19th Dec to add depth in attack. Dortmund signed Haland on the 29th cause they've been playing attacking mids and wingers at striker. Leverkusen signed Exequiel Palacios on the 1st of Jan. Juve signed Kulusevski on the 2nd only to leave him at Parma for the rest of the season. They're a well ran club so they can do that.
None of those clubs are in the shit we are in.
It's reported that the clubs only met in person a few days ago. This deal has only been in public sphere a few days. In the context of literally a few days, the agents time becomes an issue. He cant physically be in 2 places at same time.
Im not sure if all the reasons are true, but all have been reported. I listed them because there are posts claiming this deal is being held up because of our clubs incompetence. I think that's bollocks.
As I wrote, we all know our club has some serious structural and leadership issues, but I personally dont get off on constant bitching, hating and moaning without context or proper understanding.
make sure you tell Woodward that next time you see him in your board meetings
1) Apparently Mendes has got involved on Sporting's behalf with permission by Bruno's agent to try to finalise the deal.
2) Correct, he is available for £58m/€65m straight. Confirmed by their President. Spurs agreed that deal last summer but broke down due to unrealistic add-ons (€20m in PL +CL wins).
Trust us to try to include players from an already short squad to complicate the deal...
3) Correct.
make sure you tell Woodward that next time you see him in your board meetings
Sure, but again Brunos agent is not busy on another deal, its incorrect as Mendes is not his agent
He doesn't say that though, he just says that he found Spurs's offer difficult because of the objectives, not that he'd have straight up accepted it if it was a lump sum. It's incredibly strange with all the clubs he was linked with only one club came in with an offer that was rejected, to me that suggests their valuation was off. We're both speculating now so perhaps we should leave the conversation there.
None of us know the true story, but it seems like Woodward is dithering again. Scousers identified the CB and Keepper they wanted and just bought them. We pounce about apparently shit scared of being ripped off again a la Sanchez and DiMaria but top managers/ Executives make decisions and act on them. Amateurs dither and put obstacles in the way hoping for a cheap alternative. Harry the head is a prime example. Message to Ole. If you think Bruno is the man, bloody well buy him.
Pretty sure it's not him dithering, if anyone is.
We're not playing FM!
I get what you mean, this was reported on Friday.
His agent can't be in 2 places at the same time, but he is doing a deal in London for Gedson so it is not the other side of the world.
Obviously there is more to a transfer these fays than just sign the contract. They have to sort out image right etc....
Yes our structure is poor, we all know this.
I'm inferring that because anyone would rather lump sums instead... I just think you're making more of a reach with assuming that they were being difficult, looking for £75m+, it's just way too convenient for Woodward to be true.
What were Woodward's words after the summer? Complaining that the press link us to players we're not even interested in all summer... it's more likely we were never interested, but are trying to save face now.
Sporting President's words were:
His comments sound like he was willing to accept a deal to me.
I do think it's strange that first Spurs, now us, seem to be getting a free run at him. But that's not my original point. I'm disputing the Ducker info as not true/exaggerated to say the least.
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How do you know? He and Woodward not exactly lighting up the media with activity and the club have rumoured to have been after Bruno for almost 12 months. If that’s not dithering I don’t know what is.
Do you not remember what happened with VVD? Some people on this forum are just unreal. This deal has been in the public sphere since Friday. Deals involving large amounts of money and human beings are complicated it isn’t Football Manager. If it’s not done by the end of January then that’s a different issue.
Why is it Ole's fault for that? Do you think he's sat in his office mulling the transfer over every day or something? If he wants him I am sure he has told the powers above to do it. Whether they do or not is up to them.
This is how my mind used to work. Then it will be Monday "nothing ever happens on a Monday".Does Ole want to keep his job? Or better yet, actually win something? Because if we don't strengthen the squad this month, we're winning nothing. He should be breaking the door down demanding signings.
I imagine so. Not sure what that has to do with what I said mind.
Oh, i'm not arguing your points. Just continuing from your message.
Yeah, I feel like the window of opportunity on this has gone.
So the other 100 or so clubs on the top leagues across Italy, England, Spain, France, Portugal, Netherlands are all poorly run clubs?
some people don’t seem to realise how difficult transfers can be. If McT and Pogba were both fit, then we wouldn’t be entertaining buying Bruno in Jan, so if you roll back 3 weeks or so then we had a fit McT and Pogba making his comeback. Furthermore, it looks like an opportunity that’s come available, as sporting are (potentially) willing to sell at a realistic price due to their financial difficulties. These are circumstances that have changed over the past 4 weeks.
remind me who Arsenal, Leicester, City, spurs and Chelsea have signed?
let’s not make too much of a drama because a (potential) transfer appears to be taking a few days.
Yeah, I would like to think he is knocking the doors down demanding signings as well because everyone knows we need them. But as we also know, the people who run our club are idiots, I just thought it was a bit odd for that guy to lay the blame of this taking so long on Ole.
The more this drags on, the more i suspect it's all a dumb ruse to appease fans by Woodward, to ''show we're active to improving''.
After the summer, he was complaining about the press linking us to names we were never interested in wasn't he?
Liverpool agreed a deal for VVD days before the January window opened. Not the greatest example.
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Neither of those players were particularly good for the first few games/months. It took a while for both of them to settle in.
I think he was referring to the fact that van Dijk was meant to be a summer signing but they completely cocked it up which is why it ended up getting pushed through so quickly in January.
After failing to do a deal in the summer. Well done for missing the point.
Yeah it's clear as day we need strengthening considerably, yet it feels like there's an apathetic disconnect from above. It's extremely frustrating. I hope the chants become a regular thing now, maybe we might see some change then. The one thing Ole made clear before the summer, was that any outgoings would need replacing. This problem has been going on ever since the Glazers arrived here, so it's not Ole or even whoever the current manager is.
We did get the price down.
Mendes is brokering a deal on behalf of Sporting I believe. I don't know the name of his agent but its not Mendes. Similarly with Haaland where Riola brokered the deal that took him to Dortmund even though he was not his agent
And we were looking at Fernandes in the summer so again not the greatest of examples
Eh? The point is these things don’t just happen. They are complicated and depend on so many factors. By all accounts the money was obscene last summer with lots of goal posts being shifted as discussions took place. Spurs couldn’t get a deal done earlier.
He was always on our radar and now it looks more realistic we’re moving on it. How anyone can see this as anything other than a positive is beyond me.
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