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EireRed_GS said:
Im not a fan of this British only b*llshit policy either. AWB is a good player though, i was quite happy we got him, but we did over pay for him.

When it comes to Maguire, no he wasnt the player i wanted Utd to bring in, but he's a pretty decent player. I always thought he was bigged up more than everyone else because he was English. And thats probably still true.

But some people saying Smalling is better.. nah. i dont believe that. Smalling was a very error prone player. Maguire doesnt make anywhere near as much mistakes as Smalling did. I held my breath sometimes when smalling was on the ball, i dont do that with Maguire. Plus he's brought a steadyness and calmness to out back line, when before you were just waiting for them to make a mistake. Improved Lindelof a fair bit too.

And thats coming from someone who agrees we over paid and that hes a bit over rated. But Smalling better? nope

Edit* Apologies, just realised that went way off topic there:nervous:
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We've paid 50m for a right back who cannot attack, if that's not getting shafted then I don't know what is.
Fair enough, he's only 22 and could improve but you don't pay 50m for a right back to 'learn on the job', if you're going down that route then we may as well have just given an academy player a shot and spent the £50m elsewhere.
On Maguire, if nobody on our recruitment team thought there was better value out there than that then they should all resign immediately.
They haven't a clue what they're doing, theres no other way to look at it.


You're obviously watching a different defence to me then because I don't see any improvement at all in the defence despite the money we've spent.
Although, again off topic, my personal view on that is that it doesn't matter how much money we spend on defenders so long as De Gea is our keeper we are simply never going to have a steady defence. His shocking distribution and inability to come out off his line constantly causes panic throughout the back line but our solution is to make him the highest paid player in the Premier league (again, absolutely clueless).
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
We've paid 50m for a right back who cannot attack, if that's not getting shafted then I don't know what is.
Fair enough, he's only 22 and could improve but you don't pay 50m for a right back to 'learn on the job', if you're going down that route then we may as well have just given an academy player a shot and spent the £50m elsewhere.
On Maguire, if nobody on our recruitment team thought there was better value out there than the Maguire transfer then they should all resign immediately.
They haven't a clue what they're doing, theres no other way to look at it.


You're obviously watching a different defence to me then because I don't see any improvement at all in the defence despite the money we've spent.
Although, again off topic, my personal view on that is that it doesn't matter how much money we spend on defenders so long as De Gea is our keeper we are simply never going to have a steady defence. His shocking distribution and inability to come out off his line constantly causes panic throughout the back line but our solution is to make him the highest paid player in the Premier league (again, absolutely clueless).
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Im not in this boat where Degea is suddenly a sh*t keeper. No way. Yes, he's not at the level he once was, but far from not being a top keeper. I think the problem is the MF. As long as we have a disfunctional MF where teams can cut through them for fun, the defence will be exposed every game. When a defence is that exposed they're gonna be battered alot more than usual, and eventually mistakes will be made at some point. fix that massive gap in MF and i say we see a big improvement with the DF.

Getting Fernandes would be a nice start, but its very unlikely now it seems
 
EireRed_GS said:
Im not a fan of this British only b*llshit policy either. AWB is a good player though, i was quite happy we got him, but we did over pay for him.

When it comes to Maguire, no he wasnt the player i wanted Utd to bring in, but he's a pretty decent player. I always thought he was bigged up more than everyone else because he was English. And thats probably still true.

But some people saying Smalling is better.. nah. i dont believe that. Smalling was a very error prone player. Maguire doesnt make anywhere near as much mistakes as Smalling did. I held my breath sometimes when smalling was on the ball, i dont do that with Maguire. Plus he's brought a steadyness and calmness to our back line, when before you were just waiting for them to make a mistake. Improved Lindelof a fair bit too.

And thats coming from someone who agrees we over paid and that hes a bit over rated. But Smalling better? nope

Edit* Apologies, just realised that went way off topic there:nervous:
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He's been pretty much culpable in every single goal we've conceded this season, if we'd have paid half what we paid for him, plenty would still be saying he's overpriced.
 
EireRed_GS said:
I think the problem is the MF. As long as we have a disfunctional MF where teams can cut through them for fun, the defence will be exposed every game. When a defence is that exposed they're gonna be battered alot more than usual, and eventually mistakes will be made at some point. fix that massive gap in MF and i say we see a big improvement with the DF.
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This is absolutely correct.
We have no reliable shield in front of the back 4, we have poor ball retention and we have very little creative output.
What this means is that our defenders are under far more pressure than they ought to be, get that MF area sorted with a good blend and you will see that we start to keep far more clean sheets.
 
fps said:
What profile? He only has a profile because of his agent.
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Best player in Portugese League 2 years running is a profile alright. I don't understand how people sooner pay bigger fee for the likes of Maddison than Bruno. He is committed and keep churning out fantastic contribution despite wanting away.
 
EireRed_GS said:
Im not in this boat where Degea is suddenly a sh*t keeper. No way. Yes, he's not at the level he once was, but far from not being a top keeper. I think the problem is the MF. As long as we have a disfunctional MF where teams can cut through them for fun, the defence will be exposed every game. When a defence is that exposed they're gonna be battered alot more than usual, and eventually mistakes will be made at some point. fix that massive gap in MF and i say we see a big improvement with the DF.

Getting Fernandes would be a nice start, but its very unlikely now it seems
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In terms of De Gea, things like his dreadful kicking and zero command of his box are on him, not the defence. He has gone alarmingly backwards.
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
We've paid 50m for a right back who cannot attack, if that's not getting shafted then I don't know what is.
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That's a fallacy that is getting out of control.

He has more successful dribbles and key passes than Walker. More crosses per game than R.Peirera and Walker. The best ball control % out of Walker, R.Peirera and Aurier. Despite being 4-7 years younger than all of them. He's poor offensively when you compare him to Alex-Arnold, which is an unfair comparison.

Yes, we purchased a more defensive full back. But he's not as terrible going forward as most people claim. Our whole team struggles in the final third because of how we are set up to break them down, too slow. AWB is given the ball too late, once he has become stationary and the passes are telegraphed. He often finds himself given the ball with 2 men to beat (e.g. against Burnley - and he still was trying to make things happen) with little movement in and around the box.



Compare his attacking play in this video to what you see now.

The problem is our tactics, not the player.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
In terms of De Gea, things like his dreadful kicking and zero command of his box are on him, not the defence. He has gone alarmingly backwards.
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I honestly think he's not that bothered anymore. I think he was yearning for his big move to Madrid, had one eye there, hence the drop in form - when that didn't transpire and no other club out there showed an interest, he just accepted the big money new deal but I don't think he truly wants to be here.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
I honestly think he's not that bothered anymore. I think he was yearning for his big move to Madrid, had one eye there, hence the drop in form - when that didn't transpire and no other club out there showed an interest, he just accepted the big money new deal but I don't think he truly wants to be here.
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I do think there is an element of that to it, But then again he has been bad when playing for Spain aswell. I wouldn't be shocked if Kepa is the Spain #1 in the Euro's.
 
Lynty said:
That's a fallacy that is getting out of control.

He has more successful dribbles and key passes than Walker. More crosses per game than R.Peirera and Walker. The best ball control % out of Walker, R.Peirera and Aurier. Despite being 4-7 years younger than all of them. He's poor offensively when you compare him to Alex-Arnold, which is an unfair comparison.

Yes, we purchased a more defensive full back. But he's not as terrible going forward as most people claim. Our whole team struggles in the final third because of how we are set up to break them down, too slow. AWB is given the ball too late, once he has become stationary and the passes are telegraphed. He often finds himself given the ball with 2 men to beat (e.g. against Burnley - and he still was trying to make things happen) with little movement in and around the box.

Compare his attacking play in this video to what you see now.

The problem is our tactics, not the player.
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At least logic and reason prevail with some.
 
Lynty said:
That's a fallacy that is getting out of control.

He has more successful dribbles and key passes than Walker. More crosses per game than R.Peirera and Walker. The best ball control % out of Walker, R.Peirera and Aurier. Despite being 4-7 years younger than all of them. He's poor offensively when you compare him to Alex-Arnold, which is an unfair comparison.

Yes, we purchased a more defensive full back. But he's not as terrible going forward as most people claim. Our whole team struggles in the final third because of how we are set up to break them down, too slow. AWB is given the ball too late, once he has become stationary and the passes are telegraphed. He often finds himself given the ball with 2 men to beat (e.g. against Burnley - and he still was trying to make things happen) with little movement in and around the box.



Compare his attacking play in this video to what you see now.

The problem is our tactics, not the player.
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There is nothing in that video that he hadn’t been doing for Utd. He created three or four chances in the first half on Wednesday. The idea he can’t attack and hasn’t done it for Utd is nonsense. He’s being compared to Alexander Arnold as you say and he just isn’t that player. That doesn’t mean he can’t or hasn’t attacked well at times for Utd so I wouldn’t say tactics are to blame.
 
acnumber9 said:
There is nothing in that video that he hadn’t been doing for Utd. He created three or four chances in the first half on Wednesday. The idea he can’t attack and hasn’t done it for Utd is nonsense. He’s being compared to Alexander Arnold as you say and he just isn’t that player. That doesn’t mean he can’t or hasn’t attacked well at times for Utd so I wouldn’t say tactics are to blame.
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I agree he's attacked well at stages.

But I think our slow build up and telegraphed passes aren't helping him. Walker, Peirera and Aurier are rarely sat high and wide waiting for the ball. They receive it whilst they are already on the move and have better chance of carrying the ball past their men. AWB is not getting that service.

I think its a combination or poor midfielders and poor tactics.
 
Jacckk1985 said:
7 days to go..
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Expect a few loan signings and nothing more. Club won't give Ole another penny as there's too much doubt over his future.

We may have lined Poch up already tbh but why on earth he would want to come and join this absolute car crash of a club right now I have no idea.
 
Lynty said:
That's a fallacy that is getting out of control.

He has more successful dribbles and key passes than Walker. More crosses per game than R.Peirera and Walker. The best ball control % out of Walker, R.Peirera and Aurier. Despite being 4-7 years younger than all of them. He's poor offensively when you compare him to Alex-Arnold, which is an unfair comparison.

Yes, we purchased a more defensive full back. But he's not as terrible going forward as most people claim. Our whole team struggles in the final third because of how we are set up to break them down, too slow. AWB is given the ball too late, once he has become stationary and the passes are telegraphed. He often finds himself given the ball with 2 men to beat (e.g. against Burnley - and he still was trying to make things happen) with little movement in and around the box.



Compare his attacking play in this video to what you see now.

The problem is our tactics, not the player.
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People like their agendas, whether they are true or not.
 
EireRed_GS said:
Im not in this boat where Degea is suddenly a sh*t keeper. No way. Yes, he's not at the level he once was, but far from not being a top keeper. I think the problem is the MF. As long as we have a disfunctional MF where teams can cut through them for fun, the defence will be exposed every game. When a defence is that exposed they're gonna be battered alot more than usual, and eventually mistakes will be made at some point. fix that massive gap in MF and i say we see a big improvement with the DF.

Getting Fernandes would be a nice start, but its very unlikely now it seems
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We've conceded so many set piece goals this season as a direct result of De Gea failing to come out and claim/punch away crosses than even pub team keepers would have dealt with easily, instead he chooses to stand on the line and hope the ball hits him.
How can you possibly blame our midfield for that?

If you can't see how big of a problem this is then you're as culpable as the clowns who thought making him the highest paid player in the Premier league was a good idea.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Expect a few loan signings and nothing more. Club won't give Ole another penny as there's too much doubt over his future.

We may have lined Poch up already tbh but why on earth he would want to come and join this absolute car crash of a club right now I have no idea.
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you're out of your mind, maybe one loan
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
I do think there is an element of that to it, But then again he has been bad when playing for Spain aswell. I wouldn't be shocked if Kepa is the Spain #1 in the Euro's.
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Kepa is a pretty awful goalkeeper though. But yeah in general maybe some of De Gea's motivation has gone. I do think that his reaction time just isnt what it was. Always felt he was one that would decline early and not be a Van der Sar type who lasts well into his 30's, because he is a keeper so reliant on great reactions.
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
We've paid 50m for a right back who cannot attack, if that's not getting shafted then I don't know what is.
Fair enough, he's only 22 and could improve but you don't pay 50m for a right back to 'learn on the job', if you're going down that route then we may as well have just given an academy player a shot and spent the £50m elsewhere.
On Maguire, if nobody on our recruitment team thought there was better value out there than that then they should all resign immediately.
They haven't a clue what they're doing, theres no other way to look at it.


You're obviously watching a different defence to me then because I don't see any improvement at all in the defence despite the money we've spent.
Although, again off topic, my personal view on that is that it doesn't matter how much money we spend on defenders so long as De Gea is our keeper we are simply never going to have a steady defence. His shocking distribution and inability to come out off his line constantly causes panic throughout the back line but our solution is to make him the highest paid player in the Premier league (again, absolutely clueless).
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AWB is a very good defender and tackler. He just needs to improve on his attacking with right decisions and crossing.
 
9 of the board in Switzerland trying to set up a shirt sponsorship deal. Fans all waiting for news on Fernandes or other players coming in.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
I honestly think he's not that bothered anymore. I think he was yearning for his big move to Madrid, had one eye there, hence the drop in form - when that didn't transpire and no other club out there showed an interest, he just accepted the big money new deal but I don't think he truly wants to be here.
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He didn't look bothered in the Liverpool when he kicked off royaly with the officials and got the club fined.

Don't disrespect Dave. He's been brilliant for us and clearly loves the club.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Where has that came from?
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Avram Glazer is in Switzerland with a nine-man United delegation
The transfer window is in it’s final stages, but Manchester United’s leadership has other priorities at present.
The search to tie down a new shirt sponsor is reportedly a concern. The Times reported last October that United are looking to tie down a new deal, with Chevrolet unlikely to renew the current deal which ends in 2021.
United reportedly have representatives at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland, trying to network and find a new sponsor.
Co-owner Avram Glazer is leading a United delegation in Davos, The Telegraph report.
The report states: “A nine-strong group of United executives, led by co-chairman Avram Glazer and group managing director, Richard Arnold, attended the World Economic Forum.

“For a club looking for a new shirt sponsor, with their existing £357m deal with Chevrolet due to end in 2021 and no guarantees the US car giant will renew, Davos represents a target rich environment for big money commercial signings.”
 
Lynty said:
That's a fallacy that is getting out of control.

He has more successful dribbles and key passes than Walker. More crosses per game than R.Peirera and Walker. The best ball control % out of Walker, R.Peirera and Aurier. Despite being 4-7 years younger than all of them. He's poor offensively when you compare him to Alex-Arnold, which is an unfair comparison.

Yes, we purchased a more defensive full back. But he's not as terrible going forward as most people claim. Our whole team struggles in the final third because of how we are set up to break them down, too slow. AWB is given the ball too late, once he has become stationary and the passes are telegraphed. He often finds himself given the ball with 2 men to beat (e.g. against Burnley - and he still was trying to make things happen) with little movement in and around the box.



Compare his attacking play in this video to what you see now.

The problem is our tactics, not the player.
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Your facts have no place here.
 
Lynty said:
That's a fallacy that is getting out of control.

He has more successful dribbles and key passes than Walker. More crosses per game than R.Peirera and Walker. The best ball control % out of Walker, R.Peirera and Aurier. Despite being 4-7 years younger than all of them. He's poor offensively when you compare him to Alex-Arnold, which is an unfair comparison.

Yes, we purchased a more defensive full back. But he's not as terrible going forward as most people claim. Our whole team struggles in the final third because of how we are set up to break them down, too slow. AWB is given the ball too late, once he has become stationary and the passes are telegraphed. He often finds himself given the ball with 2 men to beat (e.g. against Burnley - and he still was trying to make things happen) with little movement in and around the box.



Compare his attacking play in this video to what you see now.

The problem is our tactics, not the player.
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£50m for 'not as terrible as people think".

Sorry, my mistake then, turns out we got a bargain.

Look, I am not writing the player off after 6 months, that would be beyond pessimistic but anyone that thinks we haven't been shafted on the value of Wan Bissaka and Maguire is in serious denial.

Also, it's quite clear that part of the reason we overpaid is because we are wanting to buy British/English players.
I personally think, in this day and age, that's a ridiculous policy, I would much prefer we bought players based on their footballing ability and not their nationality.
 
DBT85 said:
Your facts have no place here.
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You do realise we could just as easily put a YouTube clip of his dozens and dozens of terrible crosses don't you?

You can make any player look good with a highlight reel but at elite level (where we supposedly want to be) you have to look at the overall picture.
 
Lynty said:
That's a fallacy that is getting out of control.

He has more successful dribbles and key passes than Walker. More crosses per game than R.Peirera and Walker. The best ball control % out of Walker, R.Peirera and Aurier. Despite being 4-7 years younger than all of them. He's poor offensively when you compare him to Alex-Arnold, which is an unfair comparison.

Yes, we purchased a more defensive full back. But he's not as terrible going forward as most people claim. Our whole team struggles in the final third because of how we are set up to break them down, too slow. AWB is given the ball too late, once he has become stationary and the passes are telegraphed. He often finds himself given the ball with 2 men to beat (e.g. against Burnley - and he still was trying to make things happen) with little movement in and around the box.



Compare his attacking play in this video to what you see now.

The problem is our tactics, not the player.
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You do realise we could just as easily put a YouTube clip of his dozens and dozens of terrible crosses don't you?

You can make any player look good with a highlight reel but at elite level (where we supposedly want to be) you have to look at the overall picture.

You do raise some fair though and I honestly hope you're right on this.
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
You do realise we could just as easily put a YouTube clip of his dozens and dozens of terrible crosses don't you?

You can make any player look good with a highlight reel but at elite level (where we supposedly want to be) you have to look at the overall picture.
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Wasn't talking about the highlights reel at all.

We wanted to improve our defence
We wanted a player that had proven he could defend well against PL level players
We wanted someone young that could grow with the team

That that cost £50m should be a shock to absolutely nobody.

He idea that he is awful going forward is utter nonsense. Is he TAA? No. Has he got a decent RW to play with? No. Williams has come in and had Rashford working his bollocks off for 90 minutes ahead of him which has also helped get him space to work with. AWB has had a mix of Andreas and James for the most part. One who is greener even than AWB and one who has the decision making ability of a boiled peanut.

Realistically he's going to get competition from the likes of Dalot and Laird in the next 12 months and as Laird is so highly rated we'll soon see how it all goes.
 
golden_blunder said:
2 board members and 7 plebs
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Pretty much. The surprising thing is that they didn't mention Woodward, a few years ago it was mentioned that while Arnold is supposed to be the one taking care of the commercial side of things, Woodward struggled to let it go. I wonder if it has changed and why Avram Glazer is the one travelling with Arnold.
 
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