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NewGlory said:
Yeah. I would have less issue with us being fiscally conservative, if we were able to do what Leicester seems to be doing en masse: finding talents like Mahrez, Kante, Maguire, Vardy etc. for peanuts and turning them into world-class in matter of 1-2 years. But we haven’t done anything like that in a decade, and we are also unwilling to pay for already established stars. Can’t be both - we just end up with poor squad.
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To be fair, they are trying to do this now, just with academy products and youth signings.

But as the squad and position is of today, we dont have the possibility of buying potential good players for our squad. Leicester has no problem beeing a mid-table club for a season or two while developing talents.

If that were us we would sack the manager and start anew.
 
JPRouve said:
Of course there is context missing, he was asked about whether they expected potential sponsorship based on one season's performances. You on the other hand decided to turn it into he said that it doesn't matter if we are shit which isn't what he said or what he was asked about.
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Actually, I referenced a full quote of both the answer and the question from a reputable source (ESPN). That exchange does not actually say what you are claiming it does. It is somewhat open to interpretation and you are interpreting it the way you heard it. Which you can feel free to do, but I do disagree with your interpretation. What he said is not as clear-cut as you make it sound so no reason to claim that we are changing the meaning of what he said.
 
theklr said:
To be fair, they are trying to do this now, just with academy products and youth signings.

But as the squad and position is of today, we dont have the possibility of buying potential good players for our squad. Leicester has no problem beeing a mid-table club for a season or two while developing talents.

If that were us we would sack the manager and start anew.
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You cannot build an entire team, let alone trophy-winning team, solely based on academy. You do need to also buy from outside and either you buy very smart like Leicester does, or if your recruitment is as much of utter shit as ours is – then you have to suck it up and pay market price. Currently market prices are high.
 
NewGlory said:
Actually, I referenced a full quote of both the answer and the question from a reputable source (ESPN). That exchange does not actually say what you are claiming it does. It is somewhat open to interpretation and you are interpreting it the way you heard it. Which you can feel free to do, but I do disagree with your interpretation. What he said is not as clear-cut as you make it sound so no reason to claim that we are changing the meaning of what he said.
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What he said is clearly not what you said and you don't have a quote of the question in that article.

Hi. Thank you. With the team qualifying for the Champions League, I understand there have been some changes to the prize money distribution mechanism. Can you help us understand what they are? And then, I guess, sticking with the Champions League, do you see any potential for income under sponsorship opportunities given team performance?
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Unlike what ESPN wrote Janedis didn't ask if the qualification had played a part in another bumper set of financial numbers, he is talking about prospective deals based on that particular season's performances.

Thank you, Cliff. The other question, if I understood it correctly, John, was around, does the impact of a successful season have an impact in terms of commercial side of the business? If I answer that just very simply and candidly, playing performance doesn’t really have a meaningful impact on what we can do on the commercial side of the business. So, I hope that answers your question.
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And here you have Woodwards interpretation of the question and his answer. Janedis agreed with the interpretation and was happy with the answer. And it makes sense because a season good or bad won't have a significant impact on sponsorship deals, severals season one way or the other will have an impact but that's not what he was asked about.
 
We make all the wrong decisions and non decisions all the time so whatever, whats another one.
 
Woodward’s plan is nothing to do with playing chicken with Bruno. It’s playing chicken with the united fans, last minute this deal goes away.
Ole has kind of made it clear and he is the mouthpiece for the club. He all but said we didn’t really need new players and we have squad members chomping at the bit.

our pr can’t possibly state that, fansand the media wouldcall it out as bs.
 
spaceboyRSA said:
Seems like it. A very expensive game of chicken
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That's what it feels like.

Woodward expects Sporting will sell for a price. He's very stubborn and clearly won't budge - he's given them a take it or leave it offer.

Ole the soft sack of shite is happy to go along with that, he's been given a guarantee he will still be in the job whether he finishes 6th or 15th. He's happy just bumbling along being the united manager talking about a plan that will never come into fruition, and always talking of the future. Getting ready fed up of them all.
 
Adam-Utd said:
That's what it feels like.

Woodward expects Sporting will sell for a price. He's very stubborn and clearly won't budge - he's given them a take it or leave it offer.

Ole the soft sack of shite is happy to go along with that, he's been given a guarantee he will still be in the job whether he finishes 6th or 15th. He's happy just bumbling along being the united manager talking about a plan that will never come into fruition, and always talking of the future. Getting ready fed up of them all.
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We're 5th mate. Not 6th or 15th. The doom and gloom is all a bit much really. The forum has spent 5 years whining about us overpaying for shite. We're now apparently taking a stand and thats not right either.

I want us to sign bruno as well but feck me this place is awful at thr moment.

I feel sorry for bruno, there is no way he can be good enough to please the nutcases in here. One bad game and he'll be an overpriced waste of space.
 
Adam-Utd said:
That's what it feels like.

Woodward expects Sporting will sell for a price. He's very stubborn and clearly won't budge - he's given them a take it or leave it offer.

Ole the soft sack of shite is happy to go along with that, he's been given a guarantee he will still be in the job whether he finishes 6th or 15th. He's happy just bumbling along being the united manager talking about a plan that will never come into fruition, and always talking of the future. Getting ready fed up of them all.
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You'd have to imagine the unemployment rate on the Caf is sky high, given so many people think it's a good idea or even acceptable to call out their boss in public.
 
spaceboyRSA said:
Seems like it. A very expensive game of chicken
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Who is actually our negotiator for this? It isn't Woodward - he just signs off the deal - is it the mysterious Matt Judge?

If so - then why doesn’t he actually front up to the media?

I know he must be one of Wooody’s pals but surely his incompetence and suitability in this role needs to be questioned as he is clearly not very good at negotiating?

I mean, if Bruno was seriously on our radar then shouldn't have most of the negotiations taken place pre the window opening?

It beggars belief that we wonder blindly into transfer windows like Rambo - just instead of his assault rifle, we’ve got a very inaccurate splatter-gun that doesn’t hit much......then we luz a few grenades and cross our fingers in hope.....
 
nokillingmoths said:
We're 5th mate. Not 6th or 15th. The doom and gloom is all a bit much really. The forum has spent 5 years whining about us overpaying for shite. We're now apparently taking a stand and thats not right either.

I want us to sign bruno as well but feck me this place is awful at thr moment.

I feel sorry for bruno, there is no way he can be good enough to please the nutcases in here. One bad game and he'll be an overpriced waste of space.
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I was thinking about that too. When the club spend big on a player, we are mugs. And when we try to lower the price of player or stick to our valuation we are cheap idiots. Basically wrong 100% of the time.
 
nokillingmoths said:
We're 5th mate. Not 6th or 15th. The doom and gloom is all a bit much really. The forum has spent 5 years whining about us overpaying for shite. We're now apparently taking a stand and thats not right either.

I want us to sign bruno as well but feck me this place is awful at thr moment.

I feel sorry for bruno, there is no way he can be good enough to please the nutcases in here. One bad game and he'll be an overpriced waste of space.
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Most sensible people won’t have an issue with not over paying for players and taking a stance if that didn’t mean that we ended up with nothing. The fact we put all our eggs in one basket is the reason we have to end up paying so much. Or if we’d done some proper business in the summer maybe we wouldn’t be in the position where we’re so desperate for players that every selling club can smell it.
 
nokillingmoths said:
We're 5th mate. Not 6th or 15th. The doom and gloom is all a bit much really. The forum has spent 5 years whining about us overpaying for shite. We're now apparently taking a stand and thats not right either.

I want us to sign bruno as well but feck me this place is awful at thr moment.

I feel sorry for bruno, there is no way he can be good enough to please the nutcases in here. One bad game and he'll be an overpriced waste of space.
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We've just lost our best player and highest scorer for the season.

We are 6 points above 13th place.

If we go on a poor run (which is likely considering the injuries) then we could plummet.

Just because we are in 5th now doesn't mean it will last. Only idiots have been moaning about pricing, having a better quality of player is way more important.

Do you really expect the forum to be full of confidence and happiness? god no.
 
nokillingmoths said:
We're 5th mate. Not 6th or 15th. The doom and gloom is all a bit much really. The forum has spent 5 years whining about us overpaying for shite. We're now apparently taking a stand and thats not right either.

I want us to sign bruno as well but feck me this place is awful at thr moment.

I feel sorry for bruno, there is no way he can be good enough to please the nutcases in here. One bad game and he'll be an overpriced waste of space.
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This is the caf. I want Bruno done, but long term it is a good stance that we will not be blackmailed into paying over the odds.

Look at CB, RB, go back and have a look at the comments in the summer about get it done, myself included.

However; I have always still backed Maguire and AWB regardless the fee we paid.

When we bought Maguire for £80m, we know we are over paying by at least £20m and we are not getting VVD. So why is everyone on here saying VVD 75 and Maguire 80m not worth it.

Seriously, it is quite embarrassing actually. We payed what it took to get him, not what we value him at.
 
GoldanoGraham said:
Who is actually our negotiator for this? It isn't Woodward - he just signs off the deal - is it the mysterious Matt Judge?

If so - then why doesn’t he actually front up to the media?

I know he must be one of Wooody’s pals but surely his incompetence and suitability in this role needs to be questioned as he is clearly not very good at negotiating?

I mean, if Bruno was seriously on our radar then shouldn't have most of the negotiations taken place pre the window opening?

It beggars belief that we wonder blindly into transfer windows like Rambo - just instead of his assault rifle, we’ve got a very inaccurate splatter-gun that doesn’t hit much......then we luz a few grenades and cross our fingers in hope.....
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When does anyone front up to the media in that context, for any club?
 
Brophs said:
You'd have to imagine the unemployment rate on the Caf is sky high, given so many people think it's a good idea or even acceptable to call out their boss in public.
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:lol:

JPRouve said:
I was thinking about that too. When the club spend big on a player, we are mugs. And when we try to lower the price of player or stick to our valuation we are cheap idiots. Basically wrong 100% of the time.
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Good point.
 
spaceboyRSA said:
Seems like it. A very expensive game of chicken
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Yep. In fairness if it happens I'd say it's well played by us - seeing lots of different figures quoted but the high end was 80m euros whereas we're at somewhere near 50m - however it is a huge risk. We aren't recruiting from a position of strength and the whole world knows we're desperate. I saw the story that Woodward was told they would sell at 50m and that's why we're sticking but who knows if it's true.
 
JPRouve said:
I was thinking about that too. When the club spend big on a player, we are mugs. And when we try to lower the price of player or stick to our valuation we are cheap idiots. Basically wrong 100% of the time.
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We aren't really in that position though are we? This squad isn't at a point where we can say, you know what we will be fine without him, let's leave it.

The stupid thing is if not Bruno, then who else? Maddison? 100m+ Grealish? potentially 60/70m even if Villa get relegated. There isn't going to be a better and cheaper option.
 
Adam-Utd said:
We aren't really in that position though are we? This squad isn't at a point where we can say, you know what we will be fine without him, let's leave it.

The stupid thing is if not Bruno, then who else? Maddison? 100m+ Grealish? potentially 60/70m even if Villa get relegated. There isn't going to be a better and cheaper option.
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We are always in that position and we are even more in that position today because in a rebuild you can't afford to waste money, you have more than one additions to make, if you overpay regularly you limit the amount of the time you can try to fix an important issue. If anything you are less in that position when you have a great team, you can waste a few millions here and there because you already have a solid funadation and won't need every penny in the near future.
 
Fernandes has agreed to the deal, it's the 2 clubs that need to thrash it out now. I believe there is 8million in the difference between the clubs now. Surely a compromise can be settled over a short discussion.
I believe it will be done this week.
 
JPRouve said:
We are always in that position and we are even more in that position today because in a rebuild you can't afford to waste money, you have more than one additions to make, if you overpay regularly you limit the amount of the time you can try to fix an important issue. If anything you are less in that position when you have a great team, you can waste a few millions here and there because you already have a solid funadation and won't need every penny in the near future.
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So you'd rather save 5-10 million and not get a better player? even when the squad is stretched to it's limits already? That's just bonkers to me.
 
Bestietom said:
Fernandes has agreed to the deal, it's the 2 clubs that need to thrash it out now. I believe there is 8million in the difference between the clubs now. Surely a compromise can be settled over a short discussion.
I believe it will be done this week.
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On Wheeler Dealers, they sort these small differences out in a few seconds.
 
JPRouve said:
I was thinking about that too. When the club spend big on a player, we are mugs. And when we try to lower the price of player or stick to our valuation we are cheap idiots. Basically wrong 100% of the time.
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If we .spent big on Haaland or Mbappe I doubt we would be called mugs. You are rightly called a mug when you spend 80m on an average CB
Bruno is obviously a player whos value is around 50-60m IMO don't mind the club haggling, but it is perplexing when the club can pay 80m for Maguire but not 60m for Bruno

Looking at our transfers and player wages I think we are mugs. The Mata 2 year renewal being a prime example
 
Cassidy said:
If we .spent big on Haaland or Mbappe I doubt we would be called mugs. You are rightly called a mug when you spend 80m on an average CB
Bruno is obviously a player whos value is around 50-60m IMO don't mind the club haggling, but it is perplexing when the club can pay 80m for Maguire but not 60m for Bruno

Looking at our transfers and player wages I think we are mugs. The Mata 2 year renewal being a prime example
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Yeah this is when I struggle to understand the thought process of the club. There's no logic that I can see to our decision making. There's no real pattern, apart from a pattern that just looks a mess from the outside.

To me it always looks like we're trying to be too clever with deals, we approach signings too coldly, in a very business like manner, which ends up pissing a lot of clubs and people involved off. But then at the same time we seem totally unprofessional.
 
JPRouve said:
We are always in that position and we are even more in that position today because in a rebuild you can't afford to waste money, you have more than one additions to make, if you overpay regularly you limit the amount of the time you can try to fix an important issue. If anything you are less in that position when you have a great team, you can waste a few millions here and there because you already have a solid funadation and won't need every penny in the near future.
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So the Glazers net spend of 70m the last two years is ok with you?
 
Cassidy said:
If we .spent big on Haaland or Mbappe I doubt we would be called mugs. You are rightly called a mug when you spend 80m on an average CB
Bruno is obviously a player whos value is around 50-60m IMO don't mind the club haggling, but it is perplexing when the club can pay 80m for Maguire but not 60m for Bruno

Looking at our transfers and player wages I think we are mugs. The Mata 2 year renewal being a prime example.
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Mata's proven useful almost every time he's played this season.

And each deal is different, Leicester for example had zero need to sell and didn't want to sell, by all reports Sporting are desperate.
 
Bestietom said:
Fernandes has agreed to the deal, it's the 2 clubs that need to thrash it out now. I believe there is 8million in the difference between the clubs now. Surely a compromise can be settled over a short discussion.
I believe it will be done this week.
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I believe Woodward is really the assassin of JFK
 
Cassidy said:
If we .spent big on Haaland or Mbappe I doubt we would be called mugs. You are rightly called a mug when you spend 80m on an average CB
Bruno is obviously a player whos value is around 50-60m IMO don't mind the club haggling, but it is perplexing when the club can pay 80m for Maguire but not 60m for Bruno

Looking at our transfers and player wages I think we are mugs. The Mata 2 year renewal being a prime example
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Fundamentally you are correct but it comes down to the idea that purchasing Maguire for 80m was a bad idea and it's not perplexing for anyone to maybe learn from their mistakes. Or do we expect/hope that the club simply repeat the same dumb moves over and over?
Personally I have an issue with both Maguire and Bruno at that type of price, we need to make a lot of moves and I don't see the value in these transfers, I don't see these players justifying their fees and the limitation of our future transfer dealings.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Mata's proven useful almost every time he's played this season.

And each deal is different, Leicester for example had zero need to sell and didn't want to sell, by all reports Sporting are desperate.
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He has not, he has in the last 2 games he played but not almost every time, massive recency bias
 
JPRouve said:
No because it's linked to a 330m wage of bill for players that are wank by elite standards.
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Ok. So if you shred the wage bill which we have done excessively (to the point even our squad players are leaving), you are then left with the squad decay that we currently have. It sounded to me like you were an apologist for the Glazers lack of spending the last two years. Simple fact is, we shouldn't be haggling over a few million here and there anyways. Do Barcelona or Real Madrid (the 2 other clubs in the Deloittes richest clubs) do that? No they don't. They target the player they want and buy them. Those are proactive clubs, our club just makes excuses.
 
JPRouve said:
Fundamentally you are correct but it comes down to the idea that purchasing Maguire for 80m was a bad idea and it's not perplexing for anyone to maybe learn from their mistakes. Or do we expect/hope that the club simply repeat the same dumb moves over and over?
Personally I have an issue with both Maguire and Bruno at that type of price, we need to make a lot of moves and I don't see the value in these transfers, I don't see these players justifying their fees and the limitation of our future transfer dealings.
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Of course not, however let us not act like Maguire is an isolated indecent, secondly Bruno is obviously a quality player and the price isn't extortionate for a January transfer. Especially if it pertains to the structure of bonus payments.

Like I said I have no issue with the club haggling, but this doesn't seem like the player or even price point to be haggling about if the rumoured prices are to be believed. Now if Sporting are asking for 80m euros up front (then yes I would side with the club) however it seems to me that this number has only ever come out once and from a United side brief.

If its 70m euros total including all the bonuses, do the bloody deal
 
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