Exactly. Martin Ødegaard does it similarly for Arsenal as well. If you're gonna play with a #10 in your team, he needs to be able to do what David Silva and Ødegaard does, otherwise just play with two box-to-box midfielders.
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Exactly. Martin Ødegaard does it similarly for Arsenal as well. If you're gonna play with a #10 in your team, he needs to be able to do what David Silva and Ødegaard does, otherwise just play with two box-to-box midfielders.
I need to see the stats for tonight, there were so many misplaced passes it was ridiculous, we created our own issues tonight. And as for Bruno…..listen you have to give props and scorn in equal measure, he has been excellent in many games, but just lately he just can not receive and retain the ball, I don’t know f it’s just me but it looked like he gave the ball away more cheaply than most.
Martin Odegaard is doing it right now for Arsenal. Fernandes will just never be able to because that is just straight up not his game at all
He was not good today. But some of the comments...
We desperately need an upgrade if we ever hope to control these tight games and accumulate the points required for a title challenge.
He is a the type of chaos-generating footballer who is better in underdog teams who will largely be out of possession
He is a the type of chaos-generating footballer who is better in underdog teams who will largely be out of possession
Great first half not so great in the second.
Also his spat with Antony was a bit uncalled for.
Also his spat with Antony was a bit uncalled for.
Again... scored a goal, had an excellent pass that Rashford should have done better with but besides his goal and potential assist i dont think he was that good in his overall play today.
Odegaard is far closer to David Silva than Bruno has ever been. Issue is he is more of a second striker, than a playmaker. We really need someone who can control the tempo of a game when it becomes a basketball match. Someone in the ilk of Modric is what we need to replace Bruno with. His goals have dried up a lot and it really does not make sense to keep playing him if his returns are not great.
HIgh risk player a midfield Nani, world class on occassions but so wasteful. Don't think he really had a string of decent games since his opening 15 games purple patch.. really good moments and the scoring stats are also hiding his negative influence on our play.
Shouldnt be undroppable. Case should start every game, Fred should be the second name, and then Eriksen and Bruno should rotate for the remaining spot. One for the Grandpa tempo and latter for just being wasteful..
Shouldnt be undroppable. Case should start every game, Fred should be the second name, and then Eriksen and Bruno should rotate for the remaining spot. One for the Grandpa tempo and latter for just being wasteful..
One unnecessary wanky flick too many tonight cost us Casemiro on Sunday. Frustrating.
I really don't know why he's always shunted to the right. He is terrible there. Just shows the lack of options we have on the bench. When bruno can see the game in front of him he's so influential in the middle. That's two goals now (vs Fulham and here) where he's lost us possession and lead to a goal.
I don’t even particularly rate him but some of you need to calm down. It’s one game. He’s been improved drastically on all his weaknesses (like giving the ball away) and all it takes is one half
Of football and suddenly we need to get rid again.
Of football and suddenly we need to get rid again.
He's just that kind of player. You have to take the brilliant with the horrendous, often in the same game in the space of a few moments even.
Also he's been playing non stop for years now. We rely so much on him it has to be taking a toll.
Also he's been playing non stop for years now. We rely so much on him it has to be taking a toll.
Yes exactly. People comparing him to De Bruyne after the derby are mental. Someone even called him the best in the world at number 10
Because we don't have a good option to take him off for (which is why I've said we need another 10 this summer).
But either way it's less to do about him being on the right and more his propensity to just get absurdly greedy and sloppy with every pass the longer a game goes and as he tires. It's happened since his first match here, and it's the most infuriating part of his game. We had the game under control even while slowing the tempo too much that second half, and instead of seeing it out we turned it into an end to end track meet for no reason. I understand wanting to play on the counter but it doesn't have to happen every single time we win possession.
The usual pretty much crap for most of the match but with an assist or a goal. That’s Bruno.
Wasteful for the most part.
Decent goal but so many moves fell apart when he gave the ball away needlessly
Standard performance from him…….
Decent goal but so many moves fell apart when he gave the ball away needlessly
Standard performance from him…….
He was so bad apart from the goal. it really was a tragic performance of passing. I love him but he cost us the game in the second half.
I wish! I really do hope we sell him in the summer and play proper football as a team next year, with him always starting every game and never getting subbed even though he is rubbish, we won't.
We don't need to replace him. We need another player in the team that can play on the sides instead of sticking him there. He has great workrate and he always want to play, so he's play wherever the coach tell him to. But I think it's clear where he has a better yield.
Sigh... Another misplaced pass that costed us Casemiro for Arsenal and potentially this game as well. Team looked lost after that yellow
Not fit to lace Odegaard's boots lets be real.
Scores a goal but flicks possession away tp a Palace player the other 30 times he gets the ball.
We won't win any major title if Bruno is starting number 10.
Scores a goal but flicks possession away tp a Palace player the other 30 times he gets the ball.
We won't win any major title if Bruno is starting number 10.
They are different players. Every team needs both. Bruno is a top class attacking midfielder but yes he isn't someone who slows the game down. We don't need to replace him - we need other players around him who are capable of slowing it down. That's why EtH has a hard on for someone like Frenkie to be in midfield for us and why he moved Eriksen there (to a lesser degree). Those are players who can slow things down. Get Kane up top, he's capable of it too. Rashford and Bruno are both go go go players, which you need. You need directness. But you also need some who can calm things down. Isolating Bruno for being one and not the other is a mistake, because take him out, and we then lack the Bruno type.
Has anyone ever thiuyot if Bruno mistakes are from fatigue. Dude runs him into the ground.. every minute of every game he runs relentless from defense to attack.
I hate the way he plays football. Scores the only goal for us but fecking criminal with possession in the rest of the match. He makes us so vulnerable with the opposition having turnovers after turnovers due to his careless lackadaisical display with the ball. Read the game, just fecking hold it at times, slow it down, keep it simple and kill the momentum, would ya?
This is pretty much it, very much an overreaction here.
Bruno is our fittest players. Rarely gets subbed. Rarely gets dropped. Rarely gets injured. It's not fatigue at all. It's sloppiness and lack of composure when the team are under pressure. Don't get me wrong he's one of our most influential players but I just wish he's more careful sometimes.
We need a new 10. He scores and assists, works hard, but his overall worth in the long run is not good enough. He is too erratic, too inconsistent, and prone to do stupid shit. We need someone better. Someone to score and assist, but also be able to control the game, dictate the play, and assert dominance on the pitch. Bruno is neither of these things. The constant flicks and giving the ball away are driving me mad.
Ah the good old redcafe. Cant wait to have a pop on him.
Number 10 doesnt dictate the play. You could get a player who does that and we need it but lacks goals and assists. Its so weird seeing people saying yeah he scores and assists a lot but..
One of the most experienced players on the pitch, playing like an nervous 18yo making his debut. 1-0 up with 30mins to go and he's trying silly flicks and playing suicide passes.
He has no idea when to keep possession and slow the game down, he does the opposite of what the game requires.
He has no idea when to keep possession and slow the game down, he does the opposite of what the game requires.
I dunno, judging by how little anyone agrees with your silly opinion I'm at least not hurting it
And you should follow Paul McGuinness, he posts lots of interesting coaching stuff. You might learn something!
I am happy if that helps you to feel right as it definitely matters a lot more than it does me clearly.
I don't have twitter I am afraid.
When he was in his normal position, he was fine. Once shunted to the right, he looked like a square peg in a round hole, which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone
I don't think he had a bad game, at least by his standards. He was decent in the middle and sometimes dropped to midfield, but it's not his fault ETH has a hard on playing Bruno on RW (and he's piss poor there). This last 20minutes perfrormance leaves a bad taste so this reaction is understandable.
With regard to what was mentioned above, I actually don't think this place is particularly reactionary. It may seem that way when you read performance threads, but in reality the latter are almost always dominated by very vocal posters who are very set in their opinions about the player in question. In fact, they do not react - as such - to results (swings and roundabouts) as much as they wait for the next legit chance to say the same things over again. In Bruno's case, after a result or a performance it's hard to argue against, they'll simply disappear (or at least keep a relatively low profile), only to bounce back with glee the next time he doesn't do that well.
To be clear, I'm not saying these people are necessarily wrong about certain points (which they keep repeating), I'm just describing their behavioral pattern: the bottom line is that the "knee-jerk" first impression one may get from opening player performance threads after a not-so-grand result can be very misleading, or even false. They aren't dominated by knee-jerk, fickle posters - quite to the contrary, in fact.
To be clear, I'm not saying these people are necessarily wrong about certain points (which they keep repeating), I'm just describing their behavioral pattern: the bottom line is that the "knee-jerk" first impression one may get from opening player performance threads after a not-so-grand result can be very misleading, or even false. They aren't dominated by knee-jerk, fickle posters - quite to the contrary, in fact.
Here you go. 74% pass completion. Better than Casemiro, Fred and Weghorst (almost the same as Rashford, at 75%)
You’ll also see that he took much riskier passes than any of them. Higher total distance and “Progressive Distance” not far off twice as much as the next best midfielder. xAG of 1.4. Next best was 0.2! (Eriksen)
Perhaps you should look at the general consensus of the performances I praised or criticised and see if it matched the consensus on a week to week rather than going with narrative. Similar to opposition fans who don’t look at events individually but go with the narrative that ‘United always get all the decisions’ when that’s not true at all either.
Jesus. You’ve slated other players for 80% pass completion never mind 74% topped with costly, repeated, senseless, useless flicks giving away possession in his own half leading to our best player by a mile being banned for the Arsenal game.
Just back from a weeks ban from mods for not thinking Bruno has been great for the last two years.
Perhaps I should toe the party line more
Perhaps I should toe the party line more
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