I feel sorry for him. He knows he's much better than this. With that being said, he definitely needs to be on the bench on Thursday just to watch the team from the outside. The main problem we have is team selection and basic tactics.
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It means there is a player who is more than capable.
Like many others before him. We have had some great players since Fergie left but all turned out a "disappointment", there's something wrong mentally at the club. Hell even Ronaldo is looking proper shit at the moment.
Neville, the biggest moan merchant has started a narrative. I have not known this to be an issue since yesterday.
Whinging can also be interpreted as caring.
Whinging can also be interpreted as caring.
100% there’s something properly wrong with our club.
Just not true.
He's always been known as a moaner. When Ronaldo did it he was called a big whinge. Because Bruno runs around a bit people try and reframe that as being passionate. But the fact he lies on the floor moaning instead of getting back to defend kind of undermines that point.
Neville is a soft twat. His new narrative is not only dumb but also hypocritical, if he keeps at it it will cause harm to the team more than it helps it. He's promoting himself on the ruins of the team. Bruno has always been like this even when he was playing well. Now it's more obvious because he's really really frustrated with the himself and the team as a whole. That's a symptom and not the problem itself.
Bruno needs to look at what he did during that game. It was none of that hero ball, trying crazy passes from all kinda distances and angles. He played calmly and sprayed the ball around beautifully. I don't understand why he doesn't try to replicate that more oftenA lot of people were happy when Carrick dropped him from the starting line up. He ended up having to come on to change the game for us.
Then I guess you choosed to ignore it all that time. Bruno is known for his constant jammering since a long time. When it isn't going his way (which it rarely does) his shoulders drop, he is moaning, sitting on the floor, all that stuff. Of course we can decide, if we want to call that moaning or caring but he is one of the standout performers of the team. Same as Ronaldo. He is one of the players the others look to when things get rough and for all his "supposed" leadership, he doesn't lead with a great example.
Of course, him having the lion share of goals and assists last season boosted his confidence. Sure, having your 80 mio club captain defender and his 4-times-CL-winner-and-World-Cup-winning partner look doesn't help as well. Of course, it isn't just Bruno or just Ronaldo. But these two are seen as leaders and they have to stand up to it. At least from Bruno I expect that he acknowledges, that stuff isn't happing and that he adjusts and keeps it simple. But no - he is always trying to force it. Hit and Hope. Which a lot of people didn't complain about while under Ole because him giving Bruno all the freedom was his understanding of a "system".
Exactly. Every sane person understands that he isn't going to get 90% pass completion. And that he will lose the ball more often than not when trying to create stuff. But look at that video. 26 times. FFS.
Ok no worries at all.
Neville didn't start it. He is a moaner, he does it nearly every game I watched since he came to the PL.
I agree that it's a form of caring, but it also drags the team's morale down and it's contagious, especially when he's not been particularly good for quite a while. Whatever mistake happens on the pitch, you sort it out after the game between closed doors. In the meanwhile you motivate your partners and try to make up for their mistakes, you don't berate them in front of thousands of spectators. His constant arguing with the referee also gets on the nerves. Him and Ronaldo are the best players and their behavior has a massive impact on the other players, like it or not.
Having them lashing out is never a good thing, and I'm fairly certain that the atmosphere in the dressing room isn't rosy at all.
Ronaldo has always moaned, Fernandes has since he joined us. People rarely talk about it when they/the team play well. When we don't it's suddenly a massive issue and destroying morale. The majority of our team were here before either of them and were more than capable of performing this badly back then.
Certainly needs to improve his passing decisions, he quite often seems too eager to hit the early ball even though it's not really on.
Yes, I wish Ragnick took him and showed him a video of his perfomance yesterday and tells him, "Son, you have to know your place. You are not Paul Scholes and you dont have to do the killer pass everytime you get the ball."
To much possesion lost just by Bruno, its like he doesnt care about it and he can do whatever he wants.
I'm in the camp of thought Bruno is the worst effected by the arrival of Ronaldo.
He simply isn't occupying positions of threat anymore and seems to be hugging the touchline more often than not in the hope of getting a cross in to Ronaldo.
He simply isn't occupying positions of threat anymore and seems to be hugging the touchline more often than not in the hope of getting a cross in to Ronaldo.
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he was shit before Ronaldo got here
Yup. Ronaldo has killed him. He’s got one ball. A cross to ronaldo. That’s it. To make matters worse he’s been going off the boil since last season anyway. It’s all just conspired to make him look a shadow of what he was. There’s huge pressure here and he looks to be the latest one breaking under it. It doesn’t help that we are so predictable and work/aggression shy
Let's stop the romance, shall we ? He has always been a risky passer who loses the ball very often. It might have been a fit under Ole because we never controlled games under Ole.
Do you think he can lose possession like that under Pep or any other manager ? He has to adjust his style . You just cannot keep trying for killer passes always and then lose the ball. It puts the rest of the team under serious pressure.
Do you think he can lose possession like that under Pep or any other manager ? He has to adjust his style . You just cannot keep trying for killer passes always and then lose the ball. It puts the rest of the team under serious pressure.
It is a bit rich coming from him. He's definitely not started a narrative though, this has been going on for a while now.
Certain players need to express emotions to get the best out of themselves. It's the nature of Bruno since he joined and likely throughout his career. I'm not sure why it has become a problem since the results have gone north. The fans couldn't praise him enough when he was breaking all sorts of records. The moaning was seen as passion and caring.
He has a lot of passes, the highlights video on the last page demonstrates them all:
You've got the...
- Ping it into the box from 50 yards away with no chance of the receiver getting it (0:18)
- Volley it first time in some random area (0:24)
- Hit a hopeful long ball over the top (0:40, 0:50, 1:25, 1:54, 2:00, 2:15)
- Hit a crossfield ball to nobody (0:58)
- Ping it into someone's midrift and hope he can control it (1:02)
- Pass it in between the lines to nobody (1:20)
- Boot it at the opposition (1:30)
Literally every pass that is intended to create a goalscoring opportunity will “fail most of the time”. If they didn’t, every game of football would finish with each side scoring in double digits.
Bruno’s been poor this season (and was poor yesterday) but let’s not pretend he hasn’t got an excellent range of passing and remains by far our most likely player to create a goal.
Good post. I just mean he’s got one potentially effective ball this season since Ronaldo arrived. He’s been crap but without runners those passes are passes to nothing. When Cavani Martial and even Rashford were running onto things at least we forced the issue somewhat even if it wasn’t ever really enough. We’ve got what Portugal have. 2 good players who don’t regularly bring the best out of each other
Spot on! The moaning here is far worse than his yesterday! I love his passion and drive too.
C.Ronaldo has his achievements to make up for his personality on the pitch and he was always surrounded by world class players and strong personalities who could brush his moaning off and captains who could hold the dressing room together. That is not the case now, his performances are not what they used to be, the team is actually having a very rough patch, and Maguire isn't captain material. Bruno's not in top form and it must not be particularly pleasant for players to hear them both moaning whilst they aren't covering themselves in glory at the moment. No one likes moaners and it certainly has a negative effect in the long term.
As you said the majority of your team can already badly underperform and it certainly doesn't help having two of the most talented players constantly having a go at their teammates as soon as things don't go their way. Especially for the younger players who can see their confidence destroyed. Now to make things clear I'm not pinning the blame solely on them, the other players certainly have their part in this.
Our turnover of the ball last night was an absolute joke. Bruno, unfortunately, was chief culprit. Clearly the ability is there, but much akin to the rest of our playing staff, the decision making, more often than not, is absent without leave!
It depends how tightly you're defining a pass intended to create a goalscoring opportunity. Most passes that de Bruyne takes are intended to create an opportunity, but they're not all killer balls. They're progressive passes to a player in a lot of space who is then in a much better position to make the final pass. Exactly the kind of pass Bruno ignores to Ronaldo and Cavani when he plays a ridiculous ball over the top in the video above. Which is why de Bruyne gives the ball away in similar positions much less often. And de Bruyne's already one of the riskiest passers in the league.
There's no pretending here, people have very different assessments of Bruno's passing ability. There is absolutely no-one else in the league that I would call an excellent passer that gives the ball away as often in those situations. He isn't good at playing through balls. He isn't good at playing quick passes in tight spaces. He is average at playing crossfield passes. He creates a higher volume of chances from long balls over the top because he tries those passes more than anyone else with a lower success rate than any other top player. They don't try those high risk passes as often because they're not good passes most of the time. Overall, his choice of passes is poor. I wouldn't call that excellent as an all-round package.
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THANK YOU! I said the same to my wife last night, how Sky love to create something that doesn't exist.
It's time for us to get a manager who has enough balls to bench Bruno when he's shit. In this form he's hurting the team and not helping it.
Disagree with most of that but don’t have the patience or energy to unpick it all. Especially when we’ve already gone over this same shit before. Probably more than once.
Happy Christmas!
He's been a moany prat for a long time but it was easier to stomach when he was scoring and assisting and being the main reason for us winning games.
He's been disgraceful this season though. He whinges iver everything to teammates, officials and opposition players. I think I've even seen him moan at Ole. There have been games where he has had absolute stinkers and still complaining at Sancho or Greenwood for mistakes he made. He has become very easy to dislike this year.
Many posters on here were oblivious to his poor performances and were ridiculing the critics of his performances last season. His performances this season should not be surprising to anyone as this has been coming for some time now. Blaming Ronaldo for his general performances is laughable as he was been out of sorts long before Ronaldo's arrival.
He's been disgraceful this season though. He whinges iver everything to teammates, officials and opposition players. I think I've even seen him moan at Ole. There have been games where he has had absolute stinkers and still complaining at Sancho or Greenwood for mistakes he made. He has become very easy to dislike this year.
Many posters on here were oblivious to his poor performances and were ridiculing the critics of his performances last season. His performances this season should not be surprising to anyone as this has been coming for some time now. Blaming Ronaldo for his general performances is laughable as he was been out of sorts long before Ronaldo's arrival.
He's been here for pretty much 2 years now and I have to say, while his first year has been exceptional, in 2021 he's had more bad games than decent ones to be honest.
I don't know what it is, but something drastic needs to change about how he plays in order to become effective again. When he plays like he did against Villareal (when he came on), he looks to be the greatest player in the world. Sadly the majority of this season we haven't seen that side of him at all
I don't know what it is, but something drastic needs to change about how he plays in order to become effective again. When he plays like he did against Villareal (when he came on), he looks to be the greatest player in the world. Sadly the majority of this season we haven't seen that side of him at all
His main problem is pass selection.
He can hit good passes. Problem is he has no idea when to play the more difficult pass, when to keep it simple, when to play the higher percentage pass.
Everything thing is just the most direct pass all the time.
If people can't see why that's a problem, then you really have no clue about football.
It's what the best players and passers always do, pick the right pass at the right time and execute. Scholes, Carrick in the past and pretty much no one in this team has combined the two. Bar Pogba when he is on form, which is few and far between.
Jonjo Shlevey has an amazing passing range but he's shite because he has no brain to use it.
He can hit good passes. Problem is he has no idea when to play the more difficult pass, when to keep it simple, when to play the higher percentage pass.
Everything thing is just the most direct pass all the time.
If people can't see why that's a problem, then you really have no clue about football.
It's what the best players and passers always do, pick the right pass at the right time and execute. Scholes, Carrick in the past and pretty much no one in this team has combined the two. Bar Pogba when he is on form, which is few and far between.
Jonjo Shlevey has an amazing passing range but he's shite because he has no brain to use it.
Yeah people who point to that game don't seem to understand how much differently Bruno played when he came on than the shower of shite he showed yesterday. He controlled that game as soon as he came on and played within the framework of the team, but he seemingly refuses to put in similar performances even though he's capable. That's what everyone has a problem with.
The whinging is an issue
anyone could see that the referee was letting things go last night
We were bullied by Newcastle ..... all the rolling about, appealing to the ref was a waste of time
Get up and fight Newcastle. Win the next ball. Be stronger in possession. etc
my bigger issue with Bruno last night though was his decision making particularly when he dropped back into midfield. Far too many long Hollywood passes.
Essentially its part of the wider issue with Uniteds attacking. Rather than keep possession, move the ball about quickly, create openings we tend to go for the killer pass and lose the ball. Its the reason we win games in moments rather than dominate teams
we need more guile in the team and Bruno, even as one of our best players, needs to improve
anyone could see that the referee was letting things go last night
We were bullied by Newcastle ..... all the rolling about, appealing to the ref was a waste of time
Get up and fight Newcastle. Win the next ball. Be stronger in possession. etc
my bigger issue with Bruno last night though was his decision making particularly when he dropped back into midfield. Far too many long Hollywood passes.
Essentially its part of the wider issue with Uniteds attacking. Rather than keep possession, move the ball about quickly, create openings we tend to go for the killer pass and lose the ball. Its the reason we win games in moments rather than dominate teams
we need more guile in the team and Bruno, even as one of our best players, needs to improve
Yeah huge difference in moving the ball forward directly and quickly as Ralf wants, and just assuming that means punt it long to Rashford on a prayer every time you get the ball.
Watch a team like Liverpool and how they attack vertically and I think we get an idea of what Ralf envisions for our side, but the players either don't understand or are too stubborn to realize it.
while I agree he is wasteful at times, he also has had by far the biggest impact of any player we have signed since fergie era.
without him, no chance we got the champions league the last two seasons. He hasn’t just scored a goal, his numbers are insane and they don’t lie.
Despite your username here you’re spot on, mate.
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