One more good post. There is no point posting heat map, players and team's pass map. People have already made up their minds, no matter what happens on the pitch they will come up with one image or one bit of play to confirm what they want to.
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One more good post. There is no point posting heat map, players and team's pass map. People have already made up their minds, no matter what happens on the pitch they will come up with one image or one bit of play to confirm what they want to.
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People being exceptionally harsh on him to be honest.
My main concern is actually how the arrival of CR7 is going to affect him. Bruno was "the man" before CR7's arrival. Let's hope his form doesn't slump just because of CR7's arrival, but instead it spurs him onto new heights.
My main concern is actually how the arrival of CR7 is going to affect him. Bruno was "the man" before CR7's arrival. Let's hope his form doesn't slump just because of CR7's arrival, but instead it spurs him onto new heights.
I feel like it's noticeable that he's been a bit deeper this season, but every time I talk with someone they'll go, "Bruno is like a second striker now."
The heat maps support it too.
The heat maps support it too.
It will not affect him at all. He and CR7 get along great and they're both players who want to win.
Before Ronaldo came, he was quite literally playing as a striker and making the runs behind. So much so that Fred and Pogba were exposed in midfield when Fred was having a shocker. He will play deeper NOW because Ronaldo is here, the goal burden has dropped off him massively and now he should be expected to be more balanced in assists and goals rather than just goals.
I think this is a case of being lenient on Bruno because he's so popular. If people are going to act like he's Grealish/De Bryune level - or Cantona/Scholes like many have done - then he's going to be judged by those standards and he falls way short of them more often than not, which, again, he did yesterday, but he scored so it gets brushed under the carpet.
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Very good post.
Absolutely love him. I only feel such love with Cantona, Scholes and now him. Super glad that our match going fans seems really appreciate the man and keep singing his name. He absolutely deserves it.
Nonsense. Carry on.
Dude, I wish Bruno was as good as Grealish. Unfortunately, he's not.Grealish
Ok.
WTF mate seriously not this again
If Bruno averages one non-penalty goal a game this year, it’s fine for him not to make assists - he will be a ballon d’Or contender in such a case
Grealish has done absolutely nothing in his career to date to suggest he's a better player than Bruno. Again, people equate easier on the eye to better.
This. Players who produce moments of magic are also going to have a couple of ridiculous looking attempts each game, but if people remember the creative void that we had before he arrived i find it absurd they are now complaining about a low pass %
What has Bruno done? Take out penalties and there hasn't been much between them despite Bruno playing in a much better team. Neither have won anything yet either.
Bruno is a good player, but he's being very overrated because people equate our turn in fortune down to him joining.
Bruno has 30 goals and 19 assists in 55 games For us. Grealish has 16 and 17 in 100 for villa. I'm not one to boil everything down to stats but that, combined with the fact that Bruno has been the single biggest reason for our upturn in form, puts him ahead of Grealish atm. To turn the question on its head, despite the infamously subjective 'eye test' what has Grealish done to suggest he's a better player than Bruno?
Ehh not really. Bruno made runs behind yesterday also. Bruno basically plays as a false 9 for us. He sometimes drops deeps, sometimes makes runs behind. Difficult to box him into something. Kinda like young Rooney. But he is not a striker or a #8.
Not a very good game, didn’t help us with the tempo of the game. But was very aggressive and scored a good goal. Which is what counted but he can’t play like that when we play a good team, we’ll be a man down.
Last season was the only season both played a full year in the same league, right? So, off of that season:
Bruno: 18 goals (9 penalties), 12 assists, 95 chances created, in 3110 minutes
Grealish: 6 goals (no penalties from what I can see), 10 assists, 81 chances created, in 2184 minutes
So, when you factor out pens, and take into consideration that Bruno played 926 minutes more, I fail to see a huge difference. People rating Bruno higher is understandable, but I don't get why it's laughable to think Grealish is worthy of being in on this discussion. If he hadn't of missed all the games he did, judging by those stats, he probably would've overtaken Bruno in them all except penalty goals.
Also, yes, Bruno's influence in helping establish us as a top 4 team cannot be denied, but you can't underrate how Grealish not only saved Villa from relegation, but had them fighting for a European spot before his injury.
What’s this based on?
We all saw this love in the Caf had with Grealish this summer & the subsequent meltdown by some but Grealish better than Bruno? Have a word with yourself.
Whats the stats so far this season?
I think so, yes. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to have a word with myself as per your instructions, boss!
Bruno: 4 goals, 0 assists, 8 chances created
Grealish: 1 goal, 1 assist, 13 chances created
This is a forum so opinions will differ but you’ve made a rather questionable statement & not quantified it.
What are you basing the assertion on? It’s rather hard to not rate Jack but to say he’s clear of Bruno, bring the receipts lad.
It's not laughable to say Grealish and Bruno are around same level but when people come up with weird "I hope Bruno reaches Grealish level" that's a laughwothy post.
The quality of chances created is almost same. Xa of 1.48 vs 1.32.
Absolute world class, what he’s done since coming to United is just incredible.
The amount of United fans in here over the summer claiming Grealish is a better player is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever read on the Caf those people should be embarrassed.
The amount of United fans in here over the summer claiming Grealish is a better player is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever read on the Caf those people should be embarrassed.
This.
The myth of Grealish is beginning to overtake the man. Top player but feck me.
He is obviously very good player but IMO few want to play some sort of character on this platform, like that poch fan plays.
People are desperate to look like his biggest fan boy for some weird reason.
That heat map doesn't tell whether he's a 2nd striker or not.
I just checked whoscored. Bruno and Ronaldo's heatmaps are overlapped. Hmm..
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...-2021-2022-Manchester-United-Newcastle-United
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I went into a bit above but, for me, it comes down to preference. What you want from your teams main man. As I've said, I get why people think Bruno is better, but, for me, it comes down to something stats can't show (even though Grealish 's stats are good regardless).
I think the way Grealish has shown to influence games is just on another level. When your team is in trouble and under the cosh, the way he can get on the ball and calm things down - helping his teammates to settle - is just brilliant. Whereas, with Bruno, if we're under pressure he goes into extreme Hollywood mode in trying to do everything which, imo, hinders us because there are times when you need to keep the ball and grow back into the game and you can't do that when he's giving it away so much. Not to mention how easily he loses it under pressure which cost us against Southampton and nearly again yesterday from that throw in.
That's mainly it for me. They're pretty equal in creating chances, Bruno is the bigger goal threat, but, for me, that calmness and control Grealish can bring to a midfield is invaluable.
Nice, but City have had a tougher start than us (Arsenal, Tottenham and Leicester already), so I'm surprised they're as close as they are.
He is a second striker. That's what a #10 is.
Yes, he also drops deep at times. But so do most CFs and #10s. I don't think that's a criticism of him either way. It's mostly just a reflection of his natural instincts and his position during defensive phases.
Compare him to Lampard and he's not a midfielder. Compare him to Cantona and he is a #10.
Yes, he also drops deep at times. But so do most CFs and #10s. I don't think that's a criticism of him either way. It's mostly just a reflection of his natural instincts and his position during defensive phases.
Compare him to Lampard and he's not a midfielder. Compare him to Cantona and he is a #10.
They aren't close considering Bruno scored 4 goals too.
Also City are much better team and they spend 60-70% game in opposition half.
Obviously, but you only mentioned chances created.
And, as we saw yesterday, creating chances against a parked bus is no easy feat, and, with City having 60-70% possession as you say, the ease in which Grealish is doing so is impressive. Especially when you remember they don't have a top CF like us with Cavani and now Ronaldo.
They move all over the place and score shit loads of goals. They don't need CF when they play so many attacking players with superb movement.
Yeah creating against parked bus is no easy feat, shame same argument wasn't used last season.
He has been our saviour since he since for us. Cut him some slack. He is quality and it will come good. There are new players around him with Sancho and Ronaldo and will get time to accustom to a system. It will come good trust me. He already has a great understanding with Pogba (which we have seen in the games so far) and Rashford. Come October, I am sure all of our atackers will be in sync. It will be like watching prime Tevez - Ronaldo - Rooney together with Carrick - Park behind them
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