GenZRed
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What a difference having a Number 10 that can actually play football makes.
Rashford would score loads manWe need a few more like him. Watching the game today, I wouldn't mind pushing Rashford up. His issue was with the service provided to him. If we could sign Grealish and play him on the left and Budia/Sancho on the right, with Mctominay and a DM sitting, we would be doing really well next season.
It was a dive, right?
It was one of those situations where the challenge wass poor enough to warrant a penalty regardless. I have no problem with players going down easily and avoiding contact in situations where the opposing player has no chance of getting the ball anyway if the alternative is getting wiped out and risking injury.It was a dive, right?
It was a dive, right?
I don't see the point to this. I think Martial is a good enough player. He gets a lot of stick but he is quite productive in a team with no creativity. He would play much better with better players. I'd even argue he's already looked better with Bruno in the team, now imagine Rashford playing off him too.We need a few more like him. Watching the game today, I wouldn't mind pushing Rashford up. His issue was with the service provided to him. If we could sign Grealish and play him on the left and Budia/Sancho on the right, with Mctominay and a DM sitting, we would be doing really well next season.
It was one of those situations where the challenge wass poor enough to warrant a penalty regardless. I have no problem with players going down easily and avoiding contact in situations where the opposing player has no chance of getting the ball anyway if the alternative is getting wiped out and risking injury.
He doesn't actually avoid contact though. He intentionally makes it by kicking his leg against the keeper.Those should never be classed as dives, camera just shows it in slowmotion and it looks a lot more like a dive than it is.
You see the player starting to fall earlier but there's no way to avoid contact regardless and they're protecting themselves from getting a serious injury.
Yeah Rashford, Martial and Sancho playing off Bruno is the way to go! A front four that’s 25 or younger and Greenwood coming through too. I’d happily keep Ighalo and get in Grealish and I think we are set with forward positions.I don't see the point to this. I think Martial is a good enough player. He gets a lot of stick but he is quite productive in a team with no creativity. He would play much better with better players. I'd even argue he's already looked better with Bruno in the team, now imagine Rashford playing off him too.
He doesn't actually avoid contact though. He intentionally makes it by kicking his leg against the keeper.
But he intentionally makes contact. I'm not even really that interested in whether or not going down there is fair and I can understand why people think it is but you don't kick the goalkeeper to protect your safety.There was no way to avoid contact while keeping his balance, it's a foul. He just sells it well but it's never a dive. People are way too quick to call everything a dive, especially in England.
Well technically the rules are if a tackle throws you off your stride then it’s a foul HOWEVER refs won’t call that, so you have to go down and make sure there’s some contact now that VAR exists. It’s not a dive, it’s not trying to con the ref, it’s playing the game how it exists.But he intentionally makes contact. I'm not even really that interested in whether or not going down there is fair and I can understand why people think it is but you don't kick the goalkeeper to protect your safety.
I mean, it is. Kicking the keeper is trying to con the ref, regardless of whether or not it's a necessary evil in order to get the correct decision in a world where refs won't give fouls if a player doesn't appear to be brought down by contact.Well technically the rules are if a tackle throws you off your stride then it’s a foul HOWEVER refs won’t call that, so you have to go down and make sure there’s some contact now that VAR exists. It’s not a dive, it’s not trying to con the ref, it’s playing the game how it exists.
I agree. You can't say it's conning the ref because ultimately if refs were doing their job they would clearly see the player has been impeded and therefore it's a foul.Well technically the rules are if a tackle throws you off your stride then it’s a foul HOWEVER refs won’t call that, so you have to go down and make sure there’s some contact now that VAR exists. It’s not a dive, it’s not trying to con the ref, it’s playing the game how it exists.
I mean Neville when speaking about diving said there were countless times that refs came in before matches and said ‘if you think you’re being fouled go down, it makes it easier for us’. The biggest example of that is when you’re getting your shirt pulled in the box, it’s never enough to bring you down, but it’s hampering you’re ability to run therefore it’s better to just go down. You’re not conning the ref by creating a foul out of nothing, your helping them see there’s a foul there.I mean, it is. Kicking the keeper is trying to con the ref, regardless of whether or not it's a necessary evil in order to get the correct decision in a world where refs won't give fouls if a player doesn't appear to be brought down by contact.
That's interesting.I mean Neville when speaking about diving said there were countless times that refs came in before matches and said ‘if you think you’re being fouled go down, it makes it easier for us’. The biggest example of that is when you’re getting your shirt pulled in the box, it’s never enough to bring you down, but it’s hampering you’re ability to run therefore it’s better to just go down. You’re not conning the ref by creating a foul out of nothing, your helping them see there’s a foul there.
Could he have stayed on his feet? Yes probably. Did he need to? No.It was a dive, right?
I mean, it is. Kicking the keeper is trying to con the ref, regardless of whether or not it's a necessary evil in order to get the correct decision in a world where refs won't give fouls if a player doesn't appear to be brought down by contact.
Once again, kicking the goalkeeper is not done to protect either himself, or the goalkeeper.I agree, in future players should run right through goalkeepers instead and take full contact for both.
That should ensure we have a few more Petr Čech helmet wearers in the league.
Of our eight draws and eight defeats in the league this season, three draws and a whopping SIX defeats were against the bottom 11 teams in the league.Best performance so far. But it was Watford, let’s wait until the end of the season.
Once again, kicking the goalkeeper is not done to protect either himself, or the goalkeeper.
We need a few more like him. Watching the game today, I wouldn't mind pushing Rashford up. His issue was with the service provided to him. If we could sign Grealish and play him on the left and Budia/Sancho on the right, with Mctominay and a DM sitting, we would be doing really well next season.
He does and I get the argument you're making that there are two ways he can be sure he gets the penalty that the keeper flying out merits and one is that and the other is diving.Well he has the option to run much harder right through the keeper doesn't he? And it'd still be a pen.
It's diving. I'm happy with 'sometimes diving is justified' as an argument but not 'diving isn't diving'.
Some just like to overcomplicate things for the sake of it.Nah why bother? Rashford's shown this season that he's world class coming from the left, and Martial clearly benefits from being central. Feck Grealish, just get Sancho on the right and everyone will be in the positions where they've shown their best football.
Bruno Fernandes: "This is what I want to do and what I need to do. Everyone knows we want to get into the Champions League places. I am here to help the team conquer this place and keep winning games."