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I was thinking, how would he excell under Fergie? Will he get into our 99/08 starting-11s? And where will he play? Which player he is gonna replace?
What do you guys think?
I would pick him instead of Rooney in the AM role.He’d take Teddy’s place in 99..No way he’s playing in a midfield 2 and even if he did he’s nowhere near the level of any of the four in that midfield.
08 is interesting because he’s obviously a level above Carrick....but he couldn’t play that role. He isn’t getting in front of Rooney...so he either plays from the left like Tevez or he is backup to Rooney.
I would pick him instead of Rooney in the AM role.
In 08 Rooney was not an AM.In 08 ?
Bruno is tricky to categorize because even though he puts himself about, a lot of times he's a pseudo forward (especially when he's playing with Pogba), not an honest-to-goodness midfielder...
For comparison's sake, Bobby Charlton scored 29 goals in the season following the Munich air disaster; but, he was supposed to be a barnstorming inside/central forward or outside left in 2—3—5 schemes back then, not a deep-lying forward or midfield maestro (at first team level his transition to a more sustained midfield role was concurrent with the ascent of Best).
At any rate, Bruno should be able to breach the hallowed 30 goals mark if we make deep forays in cup competitions — that should put him in the company of peak Rooney, who scored 34 goals in two separate seasons as a center-forward and was our highest seasonal-scorer for the 2010s — and the 6th highest overall after Law², Cristiano and van Nistelrooy² (tied with Taylor from 1956/57).
In 08 Rooney was not an AM.
I didn't mention 99.youve lost me? Rooney didn’t play for us in 99
Good shout. I think he would have been really good as a crossfade player to the Anderson role lung busting into the box driving the team forward. Supplementing the types of roles that Cleverley had as well would have been interesting to see. He would have been the perfect Fergie player.I was thinking, how would he excell under Fergie? Will he get into our 99/08 starting-11s? And where will he play? Which player he is gonna replace?
What do you guys think?
Bruno is tricky to categorize because even though he puts himself about, a lot of times he's a pseudo forward (especially when he's playing with Pogba), not an honest-to-goodness midfielder...
I didn't mention 99.
In 08?I would pick him instead of Rooney in the AM role.
In 08 Rooney was not an AM.
In 08 he'd play instead of Tevez I guess but deeper, in a system that allows for no 10.
Tevez is twice the footballer. He wouldn’t be anywhere near him.
Tevez is twice the footballer. He wouldn’t be anywhere near him.
Tevez is twice the footballer. He wouldn’t be anywhere near him.
If you click on the tweet you’ll see another below it says there isn’t a big difference when adjusting for games against big teams and smaller teams. Surely it’s obvious that Pogba and Matic are better on the ball than the other two?Surely the difference between those two heat maps is mainly driven by the opposition? Matic tends to get picked against weaker teams so when he plays our whole team will tend to spend much more time camped in the opposition half and Bruno gets much more touches than he does when we play against stronger teams.
If you click on the tweet you’ll see another below it says there isn’t a big difference when adjusting for games against big teams and smaller teams. Surely it’s obvious that Pogba and Matic are better on the ball than the other two?
Spurs this season as well. I assumed that he meant the heat maps didn’t change much for Fred and McTominay but without knowing his data it’s hard to know whether any of it is right anyway. It’s how I feel watching games though. Fred and McTominay aren’t as good on the ball as the other two. And that’s a problem because Matic is too old and Pogba blows hot and cold and is likely leaving anyway.And there’s a tweet below that one questioning his “big games adjustment” seeing as the only teams in the top half Matic-Pogba started against last season was Sheffield and Spurs. Have they started any big games together this season?
I was thinking, how would he excell under Fergie? Will he get into our 99/08 starting-11s? And where will he play? Which player he is gonna replace?
What do you guys think?
Spurs this season as well. I assumed that he meant the heat maps didn’t change much for Fred and McTominay but without knowing his data it’s hard to know whether any of it is right anyway. It’s how I feel watching games though. Fred and McTominay aren’t as good on the ball as the other two. And that’s a problem because Matic is too old and Pogba blows hot and cold and is likely leaving anyway.
He wasn't in 08.
He was twice the grafter maybe (though Bruno works his socks off), but certainly not twice the footballer.
Im respectfully not even going to debate who was a better player between Carlos Tevez and Bruno Fernandes.
It shouldn’t even be a debate. I don’t think anyone would ever debate if Ruud Van Nistelrooy is better than Andy Cole we should treat things fairly.
This.For me Tevez time with us is massively overrated. He was a FAR better player for City then he ever was with us.
Yeah, he’s probably found what he wanted to find. But I do feel that the Fred and McTominay pairing hasn’t been working in the big games this season so time to try something different. Pogba and Matic had to be dropped after the Spurs game but we need to start actually trying to win those kind of games again.They all have different qualities but I agree that Matic and Pogba are more consistently accurate passers of the ball than the other two. Plus Matic has the best defensive positional sense of any CM in our squad.
I just don’t think those heat maps tell us anything useful when we have such a small sample size - primarily against weak opposition- for the Pogba-Matic data.
For me Tevez time with us is massively overrated. He was a FAR better player for City then he ever was with us.
For me Tevez time with us is massively overrated. He was a FAR better player for City then he ever was with us.
They all have different qualities but I agree that Matic and Pogba are more consistently accurate passers of the ball than the other two. Plus Matic has the best defensive positional sense of any CM in our squad.
I just don’t think those heat maps tell us anything useful when we have such a small sample size - primarily against weak opposition- for the Pogba-Matic data.
Of course he was. That’s because Rooney and Ronaldo was better than him. He didn’t have that at City. He still gave us what we needed. But to think Bruno could come into this 08 side and. Play to Rooney and Ronaldo’s level without looking like baby food, is just disrespectful.
Come on man we watched that football.. it was two levels above what we see now.
You seem to be implying that Fernandes couldn’t cope with the level of football being played by a team that featured regular contributions from the likes of Owen Hargreaves, Park Ji-Sung, Nani and Anderson. Something isn’t adding up here.
Sorry so Bruno would be doing the role of them players?
Let me know how that works? He playing Right wing and doing the athletic work of Park? I’m not sure you would rate him as highly if he’s there not scoring penalties as CR7 takes them. Or providing different types of assist as he won’t be having a free role as CR7 would have that.
I just think people aren’t being realistic. Bruno’s good but he’s not that good.
In 08 I think he'd get in ahead of Nani/Giggs/Park. The forward line was fluent anyway.
Edwin
Brown - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Carrick - Scholes
Ronaldo - Rooney - Bruno
Tevez
For 99 it's harder. I can't see him playing CM, nor can I see him displacing Giggs or Beckham out wide. Yorke was outstanding that year and was more of a 10 than Cole. Not sure how he fits. He'd be ahead of Sheringham anyway.
Believe me, the fact he takes penalties is not the reason I rate him highly.
In terms of players from that squad he could have been a MASSIVE upgrade on, Anderson is the most obvious. It also wouldn’t be difficult for him to improve on Tevez’ contribution.
For me Tevez time with us is massively overrated. He was a FAR better player for City then he ever was with us.
We didn’t play like that though in 08. We played around Ronaldo. No way would I change the formation around Bruno and have Ronaldo as a right winger. Also Carrick and Scholes would get overrun massively.
That's exactly how they played in 2008, although you could argue Rooney/Tevez were more a front 2 than a pure 9 and a 10.
Switch the wingers and change Bruno to Hargreaves and that's the team that played in the Champions League final.
As for where Bruno would play in thst team. He'd easily start as number 10 behind Rooney with Tevez on the bench. His creativity would add another dimension to that team.
The fluidity and cohesion of the attacking play of that team is remembered more fondly than it really was. In reality, they relied very heavily on Ronaldo's individual brilliance and it's why Fergie tried to add a different dimension in Berbatov when he knew Ronaldo was leaving.
I agree - I don't see how he gets into either team because his role is so unique. He's the most heavily accommodated player I can remember and, though no fault of his own, he'd downgrade either the 08 or 99 team because he just doesn't fitIt’s not we played 433 fluid formation that could also be 451 when we defended. We didn’t play 4231. It was usually Hargreaves, Giggs, park who played as third midfielder I can’t see Bruno doing that role. I can see him taking Tevez place on the left. I’m not sure he would be a better fit though.
I agree - I don't see how he gets into either team because his role is so unique. He's the most heavily accommodated player I can remember and, though no fault of his own, he'd downgrade either the 08 or 99 team because he just doesn't fit
