How do you even defend this? Its crazy because he does something like this every week but we gloss over because we end up winning. He doesnt even control the ball at all just rushes the pass. I wonder if Ole is the one encouraging it?
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How do you even defend this? Its crazy because he does something like this every week but we gloss over because we end up winning. He doesnt even control the ball at all just rushes the pass. I wonder if Ole is the one encouraging it?
Sorry but if a boring draw at Anfield without their famous crowd makes him full of adrenaline then I don’t even want to know how he would act in crucial stressful big games with crowds and even more where decisions might go against us.
He is a very good player and we wouldn’t be where we are without him, I get that. But this doesn’t mean he can get away with anything. Passion is great but he needs to learn to control his emotions and definitely needs to learn when to be less of a headless chicken and keep it simple.
Even if we buy a world class DM, he still can’t afford to play like this against top opposition. This puts the entire team under huge pressure. There is taking risks and there is taking needless risks again and again.
He has high expectations of himself, the manager and his teammates have high expectations of him and the fans as well. A lot of fans even want to see him as captain.
So he should definitely take a look at himself and realise where he needs to improve. People pointing this out doesn’t mean that they don’t rate him.
Poor game for his standards but easy to forgive given he's one of the main reasons we're top of the league.
He wasn't lashing out on the pitch was he? it was purely reactionary to what he thought was a bad decision as a team mate of his had just gone down injured as they flashed the numbers.
He obviously thought it was a stupid decision as we would have been left with 10 men if Mctominay couldn't continue.
You'd then be saying "Fernandes was right, ole is stupid and cost us the game"
It’s obvious what I meant. If it’s down to physical exercise then every player on the pitch would act like this all the time.
He should use his adrenaline he gets from his physical exercises better at times, if writing it this way makes you happier.
It’s not a single incident. Plus he keeps getting yellow for arguing with refs. Plus he loses control of the games even more when he is frustrated. We need our senior players / leaders to be more calm at times.
Yeah but Ricky goes way over the top. I remember him once claiming that had VDB been given the same opportunities, he would have had the same impact as Bruno (an impact that includes 4 Player of the month awards in a calendar year; an impact that propelled into the top 4 last year, and into first place at present; an impact that saved Ole's job.) Bruno can be very frustrating at times, but he has injected so much cutting edge into this side, and we would surely notice it were we to lose him for an extended period.
And who is the biggest reason why we end up winning so regularly?
Why should anyone defend that? Why should anyone rate players on these shit twitter videos.
He shouldn’t be dropped for big games just a handful wumming there
He should be rested for the little games, and needs told that he is trying to hard, we were struggling for possession and he was attempting Roy of the rovers passes at every point
Rashford and martial weren’t getting in because the passing from Fernandes was so bad.
Our biggest threat was shaw probably as laughable as it sounds. But it should of been rashford and martial, I remember one example of Bruno receiving a throw in and he attempted with first touch a 50 yard volley over his shoulder....take a touch, get it under control, it resulted in a horrible pass which put us under pressure again.
mentioned earlier it was hard to tell who to blame more, rashford was running too early and Bruno (and pogba in 1st half hour) were trying 1st threw balls, kinda like chicken and egg
Were pogba and Bruno passing early because rashford went early or was rashford going early because the ball was being played so fast?
edit: as it happens the exact play is posted above, my mistake it wasn’t a throw in but was what I was saying
Aye, you're not wrong, he was having one of those days where hardly anything comes off and instead of reeling it in and playing more simply, he tried to force it even more. He will improve this going forward, I'm sure.
It seemed to be a clear tactic to get the ball forward as quickly as possible though, because even though Bruno is guilty of trying this regularly, Pogba isn't usually but even he was rushing these passes.
I've no idea why Rashford tries to work with such fine margins with his runs, he can start a yard behind Henderson and Fabinho and still get the ball before them, really. Particularly if he's already on the move across the pitch before going.
i understand what he was trying to do here and didnt execute it properly hes trying to switch the play fast before Liverpool can organise. Im more wondering why Tony didnt pass to pogba instead of passing back to mctominay. weird decision
He’s lightening quick, I think before Var he’d be ok and get away with a few but knowing it’ll get checked and not a single part of your body can be offside he needs to simmer that down.
Agreed with Bruno though he certainly isn’t doing it against Fulham and Leeds so maybe it was just absolute passion to get us a goal, all for that attitude
He has to get a fecking grip at times when he's struggling. Him and Rashford both are guilty of pressing way too much after already making mistakes.
Also, can someone tell our players that hitting teams on the counter can involve more than one pass?
Also, can someone tell our players that hitting teams on the counter can involve more than one pass?
You could nitpick 50 different passes during the game to your liking but Martial passing back to mctominay wasn't a mistake or "weird" as you put it. He made a safe decision to circulate the ball which wasn't wrong and led to mctominay passing to Bruno who ultimately made the "weird" decison to rush the pass. Bruno should be able to control the ball and make a better pass under pressure. If martial messed up that pass and they scored as a result of it we would have posters like you berating him in his performance thread. Liverpool score so many of their goals winning the ball that high up the pitch. Martial was very intelligent not to rush things as others kept doing. The whole game was our attack rushing things when composure could simply open up liverpool on the counter. Just poor.
I get his decision but during a period where they were pushing, we needed Bruno to be a cool head and keep the ball better. What he did there was just mad
Every Sporting fan warned us about this, he's great but he's also wasteful. I said it a few months back that Bruno is capable of making the most beautiful pass on one play and looking like a baseball player trying to hit a football the next one.
He's not a player that will recycle the ball and play safe passes, he's an "all in" guy, he attempts the riskiest passes always. When it clicks its beautiful when it doesnt its frustrating.
He's not a player that will recycle the ball and play safe passes, he's an "all in" guy, he attempts the riskiest passes always. When it clicks its beautiful when it doesnt its frustrating.
What was upsetting me most was he seemed to be complaining and moaning just running after the ball, he does seem to have taken it upon himself to lead the team which is great but his performances are showing he cannot handle that huge of a pressure. Ole needs to give him a rest or even have a chat to relax.
Bruno Fernandes supposedly wasteful passes is him trying to do something different. And I'm not talking about the killer passes. Even in attacking progression, a touch or unexpected pass can do wonders to disorganize the other team and start a dangerous play. Bruno's passes usually have a purpose, and that purpose is not to look fancy. That touch with the backheel... Not a showoff, it's the easiest, fastest and most unexpected way to make a good dangerous pass.
He's no magician, he will miss a lot. But that's his MO, that's his style. And it has been like that here for a year, with tremendous results. And almost from the beggining, there were complaints about him being "wasteful", and yet, look how far has he brought the team. And everyone else, except some MU fans and Jose Mourinho, seem to praise him and he keeps getting awards (maybe it's a conspirancy, so that Ole doesn't notice he's crap and keeps putting him in the starting XI). And remember how many midfilders signed for us in the past years, none with this impact and effciency. He might not be the most efficient passer, but he his with something better: assists, goals and being a threat to the adversaries.
But he's no CR7 or Messi. The better the players sorrounding him, the better will be his yield. Agains't better teams, everyone have more difficulties, so his gameplay also suffers. He will try a smart pass, but the teammate won't understand it or will not move where he should, because he's afraid of leaving his back unprotected, etc.
Where you see a wasted long pass. I see him spotting a mate well positioned and trying to so something. His mate will know he will try, so he will run. Before, with everyone playing too safe (cowardly?), the attackers didn't bother to do those sprints. Most of the time, it would be for nothing, the ball would go to someone else in the back. They prefered to receive passes to their feet and then see what to do with the ball, making everything slower and more predictable and easily markable.
If you prefer to be less likely to win a game, but at least not be frustrated with too many missed passes, ask Ole to put someone else in BF's place.
That being said, this doesn't mean that Bruno Fernandes doesn't have to improve his game (or better saying, to adapt his game, as he's playing too often in a position that isn't really his).
And Ole can help him with that.
He's no magician, he will miss a lot. But that's his MO, that's his style. And it has been like that here for a year, with tremendous results. And almost from the beggining, there were complaints about him being "wasteful", and yet, look how far has he brought the team. And everyone else, except some MU fans and Jose Mourinho, seem to praise him and he keeps getting awards (maybe it's a conspirancy, so that Ole doesn't notice he's crap and keeps putting him in the starting XI). And remember how many midfilders signed for us in the past years, none with this impact and effciency. He might not be the most efficient passer, but he his with something better: assists, goals and being a threat to the adversaries.
But he's no CR7 or Messi. The better the players sorrounding him, the better will be his yield. Agains't better teams, everyone have more difficulties, so his gameplay also suffers. He will try a smart pass, but the teammate won't understand it or will not move where he should, because he's afraid of leaving his back unprotected, etc.
Where you see a wasted long pass. I see him spotting a mate well positioned and trying to so something. His mate will know he will try, so he will run. Before, with everyone playing too safe (cowardly?), the attackers didn't bother to do those sprints. Most of the time, it would be for nothing, the ball would go to someone else in the back. They prefered to receive passes to their feet and then see what to do with the ball, making everything slower and more predictable and easily markable.
If you prefer to be less likely to win a game, but at least not be frustrated with too many missed passes, ask Ole to put someone else in BF's place.
That being said, this doesn't mean that Bruno Fernandes doesn't have to improve his game (or better saying, to adapt his game, as he's playing too often in a position that isn't really his).
And Ole can help him with that.
The pass to pogba was simple. Martial has about 8 united players behind him. Pogba was free. We playing counter attacking ball... Playing the ball back to mctominay was unnecessarily safe in my opinion. Bruno controlling tge ball means he gets swarmed. Passing the ball one time to pogba who was free in space and kill the press was a decent plan that he fumbled. Martial did everything right and then played a cowardly pass to Scott. Not brave enough in my opinion. I was angry at the execution of Brunos pass that basically went up in the air...the bigger issue to me was passing backwards to mctominay. Its more a philosophical thing. I understand your issue... But i dont see it as one personally
Remember that hail mary pass to rashford in the game against wolves. I don't care if he misplaces a pass or 5 because hes capable of doing those passes others don't dare try. Its frustrating when it doesnt come off and i get why people get mad. But when they come off they pay dividends and makes it worth it in my book.
I think he is knackered, he badly needs a rest but the problem is once he is left out we are nowhere need our best, we need at least 2/3 more players of his calibre to allow for such a rest. Hopefully in the summer we do, VDB is good but not in the same league
Fernandes seems to be a player that will learn and other players will learn the right wavelength.
More time.
In Big games, there are times where moving up the pitch or trying a better but relatively less adventurous pass may work.
Nothing to worry about as he has been genuinely top.
Everyone talks about the killer passes, but I felt like yesterday his biggest issue was that he was getting so many short passes wrong. I feel like that's the biggest part of his game he needs to improve on to become a more well rounded player like De Bryune, especially in the big games where at the moment we need to make the most out of every opportunity we get because we don't create many chances.
To be honest, I believe that once we surround him with more quality players and his burden to "create" will be more spread out around the team, he won't feel pressured to create something magical out of the bag with every touch. And that will allow him to become better at finding the balance between risk and reward
To be honest, I believe that once we surround him with more quality players and his burden to "create" will be more spread out around the team, he won't feel pressured to create something magical out of the bag with every touch. And that will allow him to become better at finding the balance between risk and reward
Well said Sir. Bruno doesn't try to look fancy, he only tries to make something happen.
Imo tactically we got it right last match. Liverpool is very very dangerous with their pressing. One of the best in the world. If I was Ole I'd rather having the team and Bruno to attempt those passes than trying to keep the ball. A failed pass would usually result in the ball is in Allison's possession or a thrown, a free kick etc. So we still have enough time to fall back and reorganize. But trying to keep the ball and lose it in the middle of the park and it'd be much more dangerous. We were playing against Liverpool not Burnley.
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Most of the posters who are very critical on Bruno, they will turn out to be Pogba fans.
Posters who moan about Rashford are the Martial fans who make every excuse for Martial and moan about every little detail about Rashford.
Other way is also true btw. People have chosen sides and they will just fir the narrative around that.
Boring.
My views on Pogba vs. Bruno are obvious as I have outrightly stated them in the Pogba vs. Bruno thread. So I don't know what you think you are doing.
That I have a preference for one of the two ought not to be the notable as most people do have such a preference. The question ought to be why and whether my reasons are correct?
And all the posts you have highlighted show why. Thanks for being so diligent in highlighting the merits of my argument.
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Ok Pogba watch. Thanks for answering my question. You have a 'preference'. You love one player so much that you had to talk shit about the other United players you don't like regardless of their abilities and contributions to the team. What's more shocking is that, the player you love has actually done disrespectful things towards the club, I guess there are a few who better supports a player than a team. Your post about United being in the wrong for not focusing on giving Pogba an extension because United signed Bruno and VdB made me laugh
True. It just gets very annoying after a while, like logic goes out of the window.
He really is a victim of his own success. ABU's and some of our own 'fans' have had the pitchforks ready for ages. It's predictable. You lot deserve Pereria and Lingard starting for us every week.
The lad hits a patchy bit of form (down to him playing a ridiculous amount of minutes) and you're all ready to turn on the player that has carried this club on his back since the day he arrived. Pathetic.
The lad hits a patchy bit of form (down to him playing a ridiculous amount of minutes) and you're all ready to turn on the player that has carried this club on his back since the day he arrived. Pathetic.
It's unforgivable. Forget all his goals and assists and everything he's done for United in the last 12 months I would sell him over this. Never seen a player try to hit a ball before and miss kick it...
Without him we'd probably have Mike Phelan as manager and the game vs Liverpool wouldn't have even mattered. It's crazy. I get that there are knee jerkers on the forum, it's okay but when it goes to this point... I don't know it's just mental, I guess if we signed Cantona and he has one bad game he should be replaced.
It's inexcusable, how can anyone defend that. He should be sold before Jan window is closed and we should sign Nemanja Gudelj. He has highest pass completion % in top 5 leagues.
Anyone seen Eric Shun at Hamburg?
I think he's worth a punt as back up to Fernandes.
I think he's worth a punt as back up to Fernandes.
You're clearly projecting here.Ok Pogba watch. Thanks for answering my question. You have a 'preference'. You love one player so much that you had to talk shit about the other United players you don't like regardless of their abilities and contributions to the team. What's more shocking is that, the player you love has actually done disrespectful things towards the club, I guess there are a few who better supports a player than a team. Your post about United being in the wrong for not focusing on giving Pogba an extension because United signed Bruno and VdB made me laugh
I don't know what you mean by "talk shit" since I've actually been very measured in my criticism of Bruno. In fact everything I have said of him bears up under statistical scrutiny. Secondly I've hardly related my criticism of Bruno to any praise for Pogba. It's always measured and objective and if you dare I will shame you and your wild ranting with statistical proof.
So if objective criticism is what you call talking shit it's clear you have lost all sense of objectivity, and therefore are the one who is inordinately in support of a single player, and therefore are clearly projecting.
I also did not fault the club for not giving Pogba a new contract. I explained that it is the club's posture that indicates an end to Pogba's time here. Nothing wrong with that. This is a business and if Utd do not want Pogba why should they offer him a new contract? What I was clearly driving at was (and sensible people got it even if they didn't agree) his agent was only doing his job by trying to pressure the club into doing so.
Clearly sir, shit talking, as evidence by your willingness to lie and distort my comments is your domain not mine.
Why can't we just have nice things?!
Miss me with the sarcasm. Try and assess players game to game like we do every week without taking valid criticism to heart.
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