But Bruno has never had a 'shit' season for us. And I think it's absolutely ludicrous to throw a player away over one poor season. Thank feck you're not making the decisions. Also, you're now moving the goalposts because you realise you didn't read properly.
Fernandes was terrible in the Rangnick season and got dropped.
He's the one player keeping us above relegation level. He made more chances this season than any other player in the league, in the worst United side I think I've ever seen
What a load of rubbish. He scored 10 in 35 in the league and that's ignoring assists. He played 35/38 games in ragnick's season so not sure what you're on about with him being dropped, unless it was for a game or two. He scored two and assisted two in the CL too. He was clearly still one of our key players.
This.
I actually like his attitude (for the most part) but I don't rate him as a United level player. That's pretty obvious.
Not an argument that makes sense as it presupposes that we'd have performed just as well without him, which imo is nonsense.
You are right. Those speculations don't have more or less likelihood, that is why the argument "we would have been so much worse without him" is not really carrying much weight, just as the counterargument "we would have been better without him". Even though this is used far fewer times than the first one.
But when we've been without Bruno we have looked significantly less threatening going forward and less creative, so not sure what you're on about...
Your logic still applies. We can't be sure what would happen in such scenarios. If we wouldn't have had him we might have brought in somebody like Kudus by now. Or somebody else. Or we would have tried Sancho in that position. We simply don't know where we would be. Just as we can't say for sure that we would be better off without him.
So your logic is that it's impossible to make any kind of reasonable prediction for anything that hasn't happened?
I'll bite. I would be genuinely interested, if you really didn't understand the point, the other poster meant?
I genuinely believe he loves his life right now. That his family enjoys it here as well and his kids get into the club are positive addons. And I am sure he'd be more than comfortable staying where he is where people adore him and he is well paid.
So much conjecture here.
I wouldn't say it is impossible. But it is speculation. And the reasoning that you find convincing doesn't have to be convincing for somebody else. I don't think, that it should be forbidden or anything, I just think that most of those "piles of opinions and conclusions based on those opinions" don't really carry much substance.
I agree. But I don't think that it is less likely than him being so overwhelmed with love for the club that he feels the need to share some memories with us one day before a final.
My answer is no, I want to be a much better united team. But I'm not sure why that means Bruno should go too.
Got you, was physically I think his engine is pretty exceptional - he literally never stops.
Deep cut, but he was a mainstay of my ML team in pro ev...5 I think?!
I agree. I also don't see why he would have to go for that. But right now there might be an opportunity to bring in some funds to bring in players for that "much better United team". This is all (at least for me). I made my peace with him being a United player.
I like statistics. What about the teams xG, the number of wins, the number of goals scored? I see your point, I am not against stats, but some seem to think they only have to go to fbref for 10 seconds to reach the promised land. Stats while objective can be used to paint pictures. Just look at Statman dave. It can be the worst game of a United team in weeks, yet he'll find numbers to create a "magnifico" tweet.
Ah, yes you are right. THat part wouldn't align with my standpoint.
Not sure that this is the point I understood. There is a concept of fanservice. Doing something that doesn't take too much effort and too much risk to gain easy points. It is often found in tv series but I think, it applies in many parts of life. For me personally, it definitely has its place in football. I genuinely believe, I would know what to say and how to depict myself to be a fan favorite (given that my performances match it of course, which is where the realm of fiction would begin in this example).
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be a conscious decision. But I guess I am fine as long as those kind of things aren't factors in him getting longer contracts. I am genuinely happy to see so many thinking it is the right decision not to extend his contract now.
I agree with most of this, but if you think that 'most of those "piles of opinions and conclusions based on those opinions" don't really carry much substance' and you're also dubious about statistics then what do you base your opinions on? Because Bruno broadly ticks both boxes.
Well said. Bonkers opinions in this thread.
Ole?
my other half is away for the weekend and this has given me inspiration. The treble is ON!Agree entirely.
I've seen enough in the last years to assume, that this is a bigger factor in decision making than it should be (see decision to make Ole permanent). I agree with you, obviously performances should be the most important factor and obviously public perception has its place as one of other smaller factors but with United, I am not so sure if the weighting of those factors has been right and for now, I have nothing than hope that Ineos won't continue such mistakes. And just for the record, but I am sure, you agree - pragmatic forward thinking should also go into such decisions: and selling a nearly 30 year old for big money when the opportunity is there, would be pragmatic. Which isn't to say we have to do it just because it is pragmatic. But denying that it would be, seems wrong to me.
Just like anybody else I try to be as objective as I can. And also just like anybody else I consider the factors that I base my conclusions on as more substantial as their counterparts. We all are susceptible for biases of all kinds. Reading this thread and the other thread about Bruno, you will come across many strong opinions, absolute statements. And my only point is, that some if not most of those "truth-s" aren't as substantial as they are presented. Be that the conclusion "Bruno really really loves the club because this article" or "he is our best player we have to build around him because look at his key passes stat". I have no issue with such statements per se, but every once in a while poster who don't subscripe to that way of conclusion are getting called names. And that is what stirs me up, personally. Because I think, the arguments for aren't really better than the arguments against.
