Thanks bud.. it's always nice to hear how the views of clubs differ amongst the younger Asian market. I have a lot of respect for the people who travel from afar to witness their team.. it does take a degree of passion to do that.
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Thanks bud.. it's always nice to hear how the views of clubs differ amongst the younger Asian market. I have a lot of respect for the people who travel from afar to witness their team.. it does take a degree of passion to do that.
Funny how it's always bitter Liverpool and Arsenal fans who call Chelsea a small club. The two clubs that are hurt most by Chelsea's success.
Using the size of our stadium to argue we're a small club?
Anfield seats a mere 4000 more than the Bridge currently.
Win and compete for the biggest honors, world class manager, squad with numerous world class players, able to sign and keep world class players (unlike Liverpool) established as a top Euopean club, in the CL every season, some of the most lucrative sponsorship deals in football, large and quickly growing global fan base.
Every criteria that determines a "big club" we meet. Liverpool can't claim a single one of those at this moment in time which is why they harp on about their history, most of which happened before many of their fans (and most posters here) were born.
Using the size of our stadium to argue we're a small club?
Anfield seats a mere 4000 more than the Bridge currently.Win and compete for the biggest honors, world class manager, squad with numerous world class players, able to sign and keep world class players (unlike Liverpool) established as a top Euopean club, in the CL every season, some of the most lucrative sponsorship deals in football, large and quickly growing global fan base.
Every criteria that determines a "big club" we meet. Liverpool can't claim a single one of those at this moment in time which is why they harp on about their history, most of which happened before many of their fans (and most posters here) were born.
Here in the States as well.
Going by your location you're from Denmark and I'd ask who were more sucessful when you were a kid, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool? If you are over 25 then the answer is Liverpool, then Arsenal, then a big drop off then Chelsea. Overseas fans are almost always are drawn to the sucessful sides. I'm not calling you a glory hunter but thats just a reality. Give it a few more years and there will be a shit load more Chelsea fans.
Edit, you are an Arsenal fan. A John Jenson fanboy then.
It's not about quantity mate, it's about quality and Liverpool have by far the best and most educated fans in the world.
Funny how it's always bitter Liverpool and Arsenal fans who call Chelsea a small club. The two clubs that are hurt most by Chelsea's success.
Using the size of our stadium to argue we're a small club?
Win and compete for the biggest honors, world class manager, squad with numerous world class players, able to sign and keep world class players (unlike Liverpool) established as a top Euopean club, in the CL every season, some of the most lucrative sponsorship deals in football, large and quickly growing global fan base.
Every criteria that determines a "big club" we meet. Liverpool can't claim a single one of those at this moment in time which is why they harp on about their history, most of which happened before many of their fans (and most posters here) were born.
Nah that's not true. Most of their fans are 80's glory boys or children of them.....which is why they harp on about it.
No idea what you're on about. But if you're implying what I think you are, Yīngguó means England.
Chelsea would have a lot more foreign supporters at the Bridge if their fans would let 'em on the tube.
Pfft, they can get the overground to West Brompton and have a pleasant walk.
I'm 24. And I said Chelsea would be bigger in a few generations just a few posts back. The Liverpool fans I know are currently bringing their kids up as Liverpool fans as well though. And I don't see any reason to not count people older than 25 as fans of a given team, so as long as these fans are alive I'll count them. As I implied in my last post, it seems to be changing gradually with the kids picking allegiances.
@Orc Oh, you're from the US? That explains it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.. but I could see why you're getting mixed up. Football, particularly in England, is almost a culture more than a sport. These clubs are ingrained within the culture. The importance of truly big teams, like United, Liverpool and Arsenal ripples throughout the country and throughout their surrounding areas. Chelsea, currently, compete at the highest level of football. As do many teams throughout history.. but it doesn't make them a big club. A currently successful club, yes. But they just don't have the impact; be it cultural, social or geographical that a truly 'elite' English club has.
And there's no bitterness at all. I think the only time that Chelsea has stopped us directly from winning a Premier League was the season after the Invincibles where I believe we came 2nd to you. But apart from that... Chelsea haven't stopped us winning anything (except the 2007 Carling Cup). Our lack of success recently has been because we've been investing in the club's future (we don't have a Russian handing us free money so we have to promote self-sustainability), absolutely nothing to do with Chelsea. Man United have been more detrimental to our potential success but I like them a hell of a lot more than Chelsea. The reason that Chelsea aren't liked is because, like I said, they are a small club with arrogant mouthy fans who give England a bad name when they travel abroad almost every season and regularly bring shame on the league.
And there's no bitterness at all. I think the only time that Chelsea has stopped us directly from winning a Premier League was the season after the Invincibles where I believe we came 2nd to you. But apart from that... Chelsea haven't stopped us winning anything (except the 2007 Carling Cup). Our lack of success recently has been because we've been investing in the club's future (we don't have a Russian handing us free money so we have to promote self-sustainability), absolutely nothing to do with Chelsea. Man United have been more detrimental to our potential success but I like them a hell of a lot more than Chelsea. The reason that Chelsea aren't liked is because, like I said, they are a small club with arrogant mouthy fans who give England a bad name when they travel abroad almost every season and regularly bring shame on the league.
So then say Chelsea is a hated or vilified club. Hell, call us plastic until your hearts content.
We aren't a small club, though, for all of the reasons I listed above. Club loyalty and tribalism aside, it's impossible to argue otherwise.
You aren't a small club anymore. You are a small club who got lucky, though. Before 2003, you were smaller than teams like Newcastle, Tottenham, Sunderland, probably Aston Villa and maybe West Ham. But you're not a big club either. Somewhere in between. Like a few other posters have said.. it will take a few decades (maybe 20-30 years) before Chelsea can enter the 'big club' discussion.
You have huge commercial deals at this moment because your club can compete at the highest level at this moment. If you get to a position where you can't spend tons of cash anymore and have to be relatively self-sufficient you might not be as successful and the commercial deals will go down. Commercial deals deal solely with the present and right now, you are the English champions. But if you have a barren run of success like Liverpool have had, will you generate the commercial deals they can generate? No. The reason is because you aren't a big club like they are and they have a solid footing in many markets in spite of how successful they are whereas Chelsea have a solid footing in more 'unstable' markets because of their current success.
So yes, if Abramovich decided to take over a different club we would just as easily be talking about them. Take out Chelsea and replace it with West Brom, West Ham, Scunthorpe.. any team you want. It just so happened that Abramovich picked Chelsea.. and you are the small club reaping the rewards and slowly becoming a big club. Rome wasn't built in a day though and to say your current success elevates you to a position where you are a 'bigger club' than the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool completely negates the importance of the figures who worked for many, many decades to put those two clubs in the position they are in now.
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@Speak Didn't even see that reply. Fair enough, I don't speak any Asian? languages. I was just trying to make a respectful comment to avoid any other confrontations!
I look at it like bodybuilders.
Liverpool are a faded champion that likes to hang around at the gym every now and then.
United are recent champions that are just taking a year or two off to pursue other activities.
Arsenal are somewhere inbetween United & Liverpool.
Chelsea is that annoying whimpy tosser with peck implants and ludicrous expensive steroids.
You must be sick of this subject Duffer
, but i can tell you now - you'll never win the argument mate. Chelsea & City will never be respected by rival fans in the same way United, Pool & Arsenal etc. are. You bought success & that's the stick rival fans will beat you with & they're right too aswell.Chelsea changed the course of what clubs will pay in transfer fee's / wages, and in doing so ruined the landscape for the worse. Their oil money was the only reason they became an attractive proposition for top players & no-one could compete, or were willing to compete with that kind of spending - us included.
Chelsea might be popular in Africa because of some of the African players you've had over the last 10 years, but those fans will always be plastic & in many cases, will shift allegiance from season to season depending on which team is shit-hot right now. Many follow the player & not the club also.
Liverpool have way more of a following worldwide than Chelsea - its laughable & naive to think differently!
Brendan says can you please bring your attention back to him, please.
No, Liverpool are that faded champion who no one growing up now knows about and is irrelevant and has to take fights aged 50 because he's broke and needs to pay the mortgage on his cheap apartment.
Sheesh...I now miss the ex-girlfriend analogies.
We're the former governor of California.
Dammit people, do movie analogies at least.
I did gather that we are Rocky in Rocky II, Rocky III and Rocky IV. Chelsea is obviously Drago. But no way is Liverpool Apollo Creed!
Arsenal fits though. And how!
I did gather that we are Rocky in Rocky II, Rocky III and Rocky IV. Chelsea is obviously Drago. But no way is Liverpool Apollo Creed!
Arsenal fits though. And how!
Chelsea are like your ex girlfriend on steroids who hangs out in the parking lot of the 7-11 and offers to buy smokes for kids.
You're not as cool as Arnie.
You're like those Z list "celebrities" who are desperate to stay relevant and do Big Brother.
Poor kids. Imagine being in the playground and having to pretend to be Jordan Henderson.
Meanwhile in Boston, Liverpool's owners release a statement backing Our Brendan:
"We heartily endorse this event or product."
"We heartily endorse this event or product."
Using the size of our stadium to argue we're a small club?
You asked for quantifiable measures. So don't try turning that around on me when I ask you about an obvious one? 4000 is ten percent. Therefore we have ten percent more paying supporters that Chelsea. That's a simple measure of size. When they finish the new extension we'll have ten thousand more. But that's OK, you have a village.
Your own manager and your owner thinks your fans are shite. I'm happy to let them speak for me.
I'm sorry. I have no problem expressing my opinions on all kinds of subjects, but I'm all done on Brendan Rodgers. He should have gone. He didn't. It is what it is. I am going to spend the summer in denial.
Have fun with his thread.
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Sydney FC who we just played have an 80-something thousand capacity stadium and therefore more paying match day fans. That make them a bigger club?
Stadium capacity is important but it's not like your stadium dwarfs ours or something. Even with the disparity our club generates significantly more than Liverpool.
...and some idiots to go with it.
Plastic yanks are the bane of my life. Go on about their club but generally have no fecking clue about its history or what it means to be a fan. I've got two close mates who are lifelong chelsea fans who used to go up and down the country going to shithole 2nd division grounds, ZDS and Sherpa Van trophy games or whatever. At least I can grudgingly accept their glee of recent years because they've put the time in.
Listening to some yank belittle a great club like Liverpool because he saw Chelsea winning summat on telly recently and decided to buy the shirt gets right up my hole. All those worldwide fans that supposedly make chelsea big would drop them in a heartbeat if they became shit again, and go off and support City or something.
Listening to some yank belittle a great club like Liverpool because he saw Chelsea winning summat on telly recently and decided to buy the shirt gets right up my hole. All those worldwide fans that supposedly make chelsea big would drop them in a heartbeat if they became shit again, and go off and support City or something.
To be fair, Americans are terrible.
Yeah that's what I've been thinking as well.
Posting in the Brentan Rodgers thread does not require you to post as if you WERE Brentan Rogers, it's enough to post ABOUT him.
This is my view on it as well. I've played football all my life and I know one Chelsea fan, who started following them around 2005, I guess. In a season like this, he likes to rub it in our faces how good and awesome they are, but he can't be bothered if they're not competing and doesn't even watch their games anymore. He has one Chelsea shirt (Torres
) and doesn't even try to go to one of their home games (although travelling to London from my home town takes only three hours). You can call him a fan all you like but that's no true supporter in my opinion.The difference couldn't be bigger with the Liverpool supporters I know. We try to go to a game every year, hardly ever miss a game and have a shitload of jerseys amongst us. It just means more to us than it means to them, or at least that's how it feels. They just jumped on the bandwagon from a rising club but it seems like they just picked a favourite club to have one for the sake of it. I just think you'd struggle to find any Chelsea fans of 25 years or older who've supported them all their life. And that's only natural because they were a bang average team before Abramovitch took over. Their global number of fans will steadily increase though, and they're already a bigger club than Liverpool in some aspects. But it's all about perception and I think for most people, Liverpool will remain a bigger club than Chelsea, and that will stay so for at least a few generations.
On topic: I'm done with Rodgers as well. I don't see how he can win me over next season because a top four challenge already seems highly unlikely. We needed to get rid of him this summer and install someone with a clear vision on football towards the future, but we failed to do so. I'd like to think we're still some sort of attraction to managers. If they fail (= no top four), it's not a disaster because no one expects that from us anymore bar Liverpool fans themselves. However if they succeed, they've restored a big club in its former glory... That's why I thought we had a (long) shot at Klopp, he has the perfect profile for such a job.
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Liverpool is more like the frozen slab of beef. Not much left of the once healthy, strong animal. Kobe sold to a Spanish restaurant, plenty of shank left though.
You must be sick of this subject Duffer
Chelsea changed the course of what clubs will pay in transfer fee's / wages, and in doing so ruined the landscape for the worse. Their oil money was the only reason they became an attractive proposition for top players & no-one could compete, or were willing to compete with that kind of spending - us included.
Chelsea might be popular in Africa because of some of the African players you've had over the last 10 years, but those fans will always be plastic & in many cases, will shift allegiance from season to season depending on which team is shit-hot right now. Many follow the player & not the club also.
Liverpool have way more of a following worldwide than Chelsea - its laughable & naive to think differently!
This is the smartest post I've ever read about the whole Chelsea + city big club debate thing, everything you've said is true.
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