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Not really sure your point any more. You're coming up with things I've never even claimed, such as: "its clear you think money is the be end all and its acceptable to have 1 point over a formerly decimated southampton..." when I never mentioned Southampton.

No point continuing much further. Regardless of their revenue and all that, Liverpool's standing has dropped hugely. In this league (Not the German league; not the Italian league) top players win you titles and close that gap. The proof is in Suarez being the driving force in them almost doing the unthinkable last season.
When you aren't shopping in that market (Liverpool aren't) you're buying hit or miss players like Lallana, Paulinho, Sigurdsson, Coutinho. That is the ceiling for Liverpool. The best they can sign is a "has potential and might come good" The best Arsenal and United can sign is "is already proven as good."

Liverpool's issue is that, despite their revenues etc. they don't pay the wages and they don't attract the top names.
Yes it's possible to close the gap by getting every 'hit or miss' signing spot on, but it's a hard task (which is essentially all I said in the first place.)

I don't care about their history. And I doubt someone like Sanchez would care either. I've given you reasons above why Liverpool (despite intangibles such as 'prestige' and 'history') do not register when it comes to signing the players that make a difference in this league.

We're just going to go in circles it seems.
We’re going around in circles because you have this warped idea that you need to sign the Sanchez’s, Di maria’s and Matas of this world is basically the only way of building a top 4 prem squad despite the fact that its happened over and over, even in this money era that a team builds a strong squad without having to buy top players.


We ourselves through our glory years didn’t buy these superstars yet through the years we were able to maintain a powerful squad. Arsenal themselves have only bought Sanchez and Ozil(who as you say wouldn’t consider pool an option) that’d have been out of pools reach. These signings are also recent signings, the type arsenal hadn’t made for god knows how long and yet have always had a top 4 squad.


Why do you think that is? That both teams can have the most prem titles and yet not spend money buying superstars? You mention Suarez but forget that when they bought Suarez he was one of these up and coming stars rather than some superstar.


It’s important to pin them against European sides because European football is basically one big pond. Everyone competes for the best players around the world. Arsenal and United have put together very unimpressive squads for the money invested which essentially opened the opportunity for a pool to sneak in a put something together. They pumped the cash in and got no results so far. How many real quality players do we have? And Arsenal? How many of the players in both squads would have thought they were too big for Liverpool before being signed by either club?


It would be a hard task if this was back in the mid to late 00’s where all top 4 squads were filled to the brim with quality but that isn’t the case at the moment. Everyone is under performing in that front hence none of these teams can really do anything effective in Europe. Money is being thrown around and not much is ‘value’ is being found. The clubs in Europe finding that value are actually doing really well and have squads better than that of us and arsenal. Not magic, just great scouting, development and tactics.


This is just poor management coupled with even worse coaching. He’s all over the place in the market and you’re just making some really poor excuses. You say they don’t offer big wages when they’ve just offered a kid 100k a week while they have Sturridge on 150k a week. The prem has wages that la liga, Bundesliga and seria a can only dream about (apart from Barca, madrid and Bayern).
 
Does anyone who understands online betting know if its possible to bet on Liverpool having a different manager in place next season? I never bet usually, but I fancy a flutter.
 
Does anyone who understands online betting know if its possible to bet on Liverpool having a different manager in place next season? I never bet usually, but I fancy a flutter.

I don't think you can at the moment. You can bet on the next Liverpool manager and the next PL manager to be sacked though.

Now their having a bad spell, it's possible a bookie might decide to offer odds on Brendan to leave before next season. Bookies usually just offer those markets for marketing purposes.
 
I don't think you can at the moment. You can bet on the next Liverpool manager and the next PL manager to be sacked though.

Now their having a bad spell, it's possible a bookie might decide to offer odds on Brendan to leave before next season. Bookies usually just offer those markets for marketing purposes.

Ah thanks, shame. I was hoping to bet before they get knocked out the FA cup by Blackburn. :D
 
I can't see them sacking him. 8th and failure to win the FA Cup, then maybe he will get the sack.
 
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I think he's going to get sacked unless he finishes top 4 AND wins the FA cup. Could be totally wrong of course, but I think he's basically already done.
 
Does anyone who understands online betting know if its possible to bet on Liverpool having a different manager in place next season? I never bet usually, but I fancy a flutter.

If you go to your local bookies or even call a bookies up, They should get back to you with some odds.
 
IMO i think the fa cup is his only saving grace. top 4 is gone for sure, its now a fight for 5th place to save face as they could easily end up 7th.
 
would be very harsh indeed.

think he has done very well for them.

They will be thereabouts...and 4th place is no cakewalk...

Last year was a freak, 3 of the top clubs from the previous season had changed managers. Things are settling back to normal now.
 
They virtually played from the off with a back six with the wingers coming back,” Rodgers said.

“It was 10 players behind from the first minute and we found it difficult to break down. You don’t just see it against Atlético Madrid, it’s against most. It’s the style of football, it’s defensive, and the polar opposite of the way we work. It gets results.

"Jose has got his today and he will be happy with that. It’s the opposite to how we work and hopefully over time and with preparation it will get us long-term results.

“It’s not difficult to coach to just get 10 players right on your 18-yard box and it is difficult to break through, but they defended well. I think they got booked for time wasting in the 92nd minute but you could see from the first whistle that the plan was to frustrate but teams work in a different way. We are a team that tries to win in a sporting manner, try to work and initiate the game with the ball.

“I understand if it’s late in the game and players are taking their time. It can be frustrating from the first whistle but that is how teams will set up and the nature of some coaches and managers you have to deal with it. Jose is happy to work that way and play that way and he will probably show his CV and say it works but it’s not my way of working.

"I like to take the initiative in games and let players express themselves. They have some fantastic players. They defended well. We tried everything we could but our game is based on being offensively being creative as opposed to stopping. This game will prepare us for Crystal Palace.”

Loads wrong about this quote from Rodgers after last season's loss against Chelsea. If you need to know the kind of bullshit he can come up with, and all this without achieving even half of what Mourinho has, AND after a game which he actually lost, this is the Rodgers interview you need to read.
 
Yesterday Rodgers said about Ballotelli and his knee, "He deemed it unable to travel." There's a sideways swipe in those words. But that purchase of Balotelli was like McCain choosing Palin. Showed a dreamer's lack of judgement.
 
Loads wrong about this quote from Rodgers after last season's loss against Chelsea. If you need to know the kind of bullshit he can come up with, and all this without achieving even half of what Mourinho has, AND after a game which he actually lost, this is the Rodgers interview you need to read.

At least it prepared them for Palace.
 
I think he's going to get sacked unless he finishes top 4 AND wins the FA cup. Could be totally wrong of course, but I think he's basically already done.

Bold, but I can't see it happening. He's still done well at Liverpool, just had a right nightmare of a Summer Transfer Window in failing to replace Suarez.
 
In all honesty, they'd be mad to sack him as it would take them 2 steps back again.

So let's hope they sack him.
 
Bold, but I can't see it happening. He's still done well at Liverpool, just had a right nightmare of a Summer Transfer Window in failing to replace Suarez.

I'm not convinced by the "done well" claims to be honest. He needs to do something special next season, or at least show some proper signs of progress, or he'll be out on his ear.

Benitez's Liverpool ran us close in 08/09, with their record prior to that being a comfortable top 4 finish a few seasons in a row. They then let a key player go (sound familiar?), with Alonso moving to Madrid, but splashed out a fair bit on Aquilani and Johnson, eventually bringing in Kyrgiakos and Maxi too. The following season they not only failed to challenge for the title again, but also relinquished their spot in the top 4, finishing 7th.

Benitez was then let go, replaced first by Hodgson, then by Dalglish. Liverpool again finished outside of the top 4, finishing 6th. Things didn't get any better with Dalglish starting the season in charge, as they ended up in 8th the season after. Liverpool now find themselves without CL football for a 3rd consecutive season. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Brendan Rodgers is appointed to put them back where they (think they) belong.

First season was more of the same, with another 7th placed finish. Second season, they nearly won the league. Rodgers has a dig at Spurs for spending more than £100 million and failing to challenge for it, and goes on to spend over £100 million the following summer. But they lost a key player in Suarez. Never mind though, they've spent enough to be challenging for the league. Except they aren't, and they're very much on course to finish anywhere from 5th to 7th. Again.

Rodgers desperately needs to prove that last season wasn't the flash in the pan that many suspect it was. He needs to show that all of his investment into the squad is good investment, and he needs to get 4th at the very least. I don't think they'll let him go this summer, but if they find themselves sitting 7 points off 4th (as they are now) come the end of next season, he's gone.

If you ignore last season's perfect storm, he's done nothing that Dalglish didn't manage. They let Benitez go after one season of failing to qualify for the CL, despite his title challenge the season before. The clock is ticking for Brendan.
 
Taking away the united bias, they really should keep with him, he really has turned them into a much better team.
 
Start of season he was a shite charlatan, then he fixed things and he was a good manager, now two results have him back to shite.

Funny old game. See where Rodgers is in five years to get a real idea.
 
I don't believe he's basically any better than, say, Moyes despite their seemingly different approaches to the game. And I'm genuinely not being biased against him just because he's Liverpool's manager or because of the self-serving (or occasionally arrogant) things he says. If he ends up proving me wrong then all credit to him.
 
He shouldn't be sacked, this was never a top 4 squad, however, i do think it'll get harder for him the longer he's managing liverpool.

In all likelihood united and arsenal will be farther ahead next season in terms of squad quality, while brenton will spend his summer trying to stop sterling from leaving. For him to close the gap he needs top players joining not leaving, even wenger knows that by now. He could do much better in the transfer market but so far him and liverpool have proved to be utter clowns when it comes to spending money.
 
Taking away the united bias, they really should keep with him, he really has turned them into a much better team.

I'm sure there is plenty of other managers out there who could have spent £220m over 3 seasons and done better than he has. It's just his gung-ho style which attracts more attention.
 
Start of season he was a shite charlatan, then he fixed things and he was a good manager, now two results have him back to shite.

Funny old game. See where Rodgers is in five years to get a real idea.
Perhaps it will be an endless cycle of shite charlatan-fix things-good manager-back to shite?
 
I'm not convinced by the "done well" claims to be honest. He needs to do something special next season, or at least show some proper signs of progress, or he'll be out on his ear.

Benitez's Liverpool ran us close in 08/09, with their record prior to that being a comfortable top 4 finish a few seasons in a row. They then let a key player go (sound familiar?), with Alonso moving to Madrid, but splashed out a fair bit on Aquilani and Johnson, eventually bringing in Kyrgiakos and Maxi too. The following season they not only failed to challenge for the title again, but also relinquished their spot in the top 4, finishing 7th.

Benitez was then let go, replaced first by Hodgson, then by Dalglish. Liverpool again finished outside of the top 4, finishing 6th. Things didn't get any better with Dalglish starting the season in charge, as they ended up in 8th the season after. Liverpool now find themselves without CL football for a 3rd consecutive season. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Brendan Rodgers is appointed to put them back where they (think they) belong.

First season was more of the same, with another 7th placed finish. Second season, they nearly won the league. Rodgers has a dig at Spurs for spending more than £100 million and failing to challenge for it, and goes on to spend over £100 million the following summer. But they lost a key player in Suarez. Never mind though, they've spent enough to be challenging for the league. Except they aren't, and they're very much on course to finish anywhere from 5th to 7th. Again.

Rodgers desperately needs to prove that last season wasn't the flash in the pan that many suspect it was. He needs to show that all of his investment into the squad is good investment, and he needs to get 4th at the very least. I don't think they'll let him go this summer, but if they find themselves sitting 7 points off 4th (as they are now) come the end of next season, he's gone.

If you ignore last season's perfect storm, he's done nothing that Dalglish didn't manage. They let Benitez go after one season of failing to qualify for the CL, despite his title challenge the season before. The clock is ticking for Brendan.
This is a very very good post. And i completely agree.

The best thing Rodgers did last season was to talk Suarez into staying for another season and getting the best out of him. Like RvP in his final season for Asnl Suarez carried that team and almost delivered a title. I think this made him believe he was twice the manager he was because some of his decisions (signing a player like Balotelli, the constant formation changes) has been very very poor.
 
Why would we ignore that?

Because it looks very much like a freak season, aided very much by a cocktail of fortuitous circumstances. Prior to last season, they were finishing way outside of the top 4. This season, they're on course to finish way outside of the top 4. United and Arsenal are no longer looking over their shoulders at 5th and 6th, they're looking to steal 2nd off City.

Liverpool are now 7 points off 4th, and haven't really managed a proper go of it all season. Now their unbeaten run has come to an end, they look a shambles. It's looking increasingly more likely that they'll be fighting it out with Spurs and Southampton for 5th/6th/7th than them mounting any sort of final charge for 4th.

Given that they finished way off top 4 prior to last season, and look set to do so again this season, it is absolutely crucial that Rodgers leads Liverpool through a solid campaign next season that at the very least demonstrates some sort of proper progress towards achieving a top 4 finish. If that doesn't happen, then I'd be looking for a new manager, regardless of him nearly winning the league in 2013/14.
 
Because it looks very much like a freak season, aided very much by a cocktail of fortuitous circumstances. Prior to last season, they were finishing way outside of the top 4. This season, they're on course to finish way outside of the top 4. United and Arsenal are no longer looking over their shoulders at 5th and 6th, they're looking to steal 2nd off City.

Liverpool are now 7 points off 4th, and haven't really managed a proper go of it all season. Now their unbeaten run has come to an end, they look a shambles. It's looking increasingly more likely that they'll be fighting it out with Spurs and Southampton for 5th/6th/7th than them mounting any sort of final charge for 4th.

Given that they finished way off top 4 prior to last season, and look set to do so again this season, it is absolutely crucial that Rodgers leads Liverpool through a solid campaign next season that at the very least demonstrates some sort of proper progress towards achieving a top 4 finish. If that doesn't happen, then I'd be looking for a new manager, regardless of him nearly winning the league in 2013/14.

In his first season, their wage bill was 22 million off of 4th place Arsenal. (101 off Manchester City and 49 off of Manchester United) and he finished 7th. They brought in some keys players on this year's team (Sturridge, Coutinho, Allen) and finished 7th with a goal differential of 5th. Again, it was his first season. So that seems like a decent year for him.

In his second season, their wage bill was again way off the pace of the top 4. 26 million off of Arsenal, and 50/47/76 off of Chelsea/Man Utd/Man C. And they finished 2nd and did the double over Manchester United. That is a massively successful season for Rodgers.

In his third season, their wage bill got even further away from the top 4 and they sold their best player. And with the 5th highest wage bill, their current position is...wait for it...5th. So another decent year, despite the club buying a striker he apparently didn't want to replace his best player.

Two decent seasons and one massively successful one. Fact is, he has them punching above their weight. If you or whoever is in charge would be looking for a new manager, you are deluding yourselves. Wages correlate with league position and if Liverpool expect to be in the top 4 every year, they need to invest substantially more than they have thus far.
 
Part of the problem with Rodgers is that he talks like an absolute arsehole which makes it even better when they actually do fail.
 
In his first season, their wage bill was 22 million off of 4th place Arsenal. (101 off Manchester City and 49 off of Manchester United) and he finished 7th. They brought in some keys players on this year's team (Sturridge, Coutinho, Allen) and finished 7th with a goal differential of 5th. Again, it was his first season. So that seems like a decent year for him.

In his second season, their wage bill was again way off the pace of the top 4. 26 million off of Arsenal, and 50/47/76 off of Chelsea/Man Utd/Man C. And they finished 2nd and did the double over Manchester United. That is a massively successful season for Rodgers.

In his third season, their wage bill got even further away from the top 4 and they sold their best player. And with the 5th highest wage bill, their current position is...wait for it...5th. So another decent year, despite the club buying a striker he apparently didn't want to replace his best player.

Two decent seasons and one massively successful one. Fact is, he has them punching above their weight. If you or whoever is in charge would be looking for a new manager, you are deluding yourselves. Wages correlate with league position and if Liverpool expect to be in the top 4 every year, they need to invest substantially more than they have thus far.

Which is it? Are they punching above their weight in 5th, or are they where their wage bill dictates they should be? Wages may correlate with league position, but having the 5th highest wage bill doesn't mean you shouldn't be mounting a proper challenge for the top 4. I imagine transfer expenditure has some sort of correlation too, and Liverpool have finished way off Arsenal for a number of years, despite spending a hell of a lot more than them in that time.

I agree that Liverpool need to invest properly, but the reason they haven't isn't because of a lack of funds, it's because Rodgers' transfer policy sees them buying a load of young gambles rather than one or two quality players. I also don't see how he can be allowed to wash his hands of the Balotelli signing, but then claim all of the credit for the Sturridge signing. By all accounts it appears he wanted Dempsey and wasn't too keen on Sturridge.

Your representation of the Balotelli signing is very disingenuous too. It's hardly like the club went out and announced his signing as soon as the window opened. They signed him, presumably on Rodgers' say so, very late in the window after Rodgers had already spent £100 million on new players and because Sturridge picked up an injury. They'd have been left with Lambert and Borini as their strike options if they hadn't signed Balotelli, possibly just Lambert had the Borini to Sunderland deal gone through. As it stands, Sturridge has started just 7 league games this season, and it's hardly as if his injury problems are a recent development, so Balotelli or no-Balotelli, Rodgers failed to strengthen that area of the team.

At the end of the day, Liverpool hired Rodgers to get them back into the top 4, and they've also given him more than £200 million in transfer funds to build a squad capable of that. He's had 3 seasons now to make some sort of progress towards the top 4 with that budget, and they're on course to yet again finish some way off the CL places, as well as finding themselves in danger of falling behind both Spurs and Southampton. Rodgers is going to be given another chunk of money to continue 'strengthening' the squad this coming summer, and if he fails to deliver a proper challenge for top 4 then his job will be in danger because he'll have failed to do what he's been hired to do.
 
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