England are planning on boycotting the Qatar World Cup, but will initially attend the first two weeks.
Boycott The Qatar World Cup?
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It's an irrelevance. And would only help you derail the thread and obfuscate legitimate disaffection with Qatar.
Off course it is relevant. But I will leave the discussion here. Have a nice day.
It's relelvant to your agenda, not the topic in hand. You are doing somersaults to make this about Islam and it just isn't.
If I said no, it would prove nothing. Unless the US and Qatar are identical except for Qatar being Islamic then your silly comparison means nothing, but you were never a fan of science if I recall.
Kinda seems like your position is that we shouldn't try to make things better for people through political action because our countries also do bad things.
You've been trying to argue that the suffering endured by migrant workers is based on suspect stats. Sounds like you don't know much about migrant labour practices in the Gulf. This isn't just an issue around the world cup, people have been talking about how brutal and dehumanising the Kafala system is for decades.
Talking about double standards here totally misses the point. It's like kicking someone in the balls and then telling them they shouldn't complain because you've been kicked in the balls too. You're dismissing human suffering on the basis that other humans have also suffered in the past.
Why you would be opposed to a boycott is totally beyond me, and you haven't made a good argument for it yet. Maybe you should be arguing for people boycotting other tournaments.
It's really really not fair to conflate people cheering the bombing of Baghdad with people boycotting Qatar. The 2 things have literally no connection, and the only reason you'd think they did is if you knew literally nothing about middle east politics, and if you thought that bombing civilians is the same as supporting an economic boycott of a sovereign nation involved in a whole lot of military and economic injustice around the region.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...r-french-cities-in-world-cup-tv-boycott-qatar
Paris joins other French cities in World Cup TV boycott
Local authorities will not broadcast matches in protest at human rights and environmental abuses in Qatar
Paris joins other French cities in World Cup TV boycott
Local authorities will not broadcast matches in protest at human rights and environmental abuses in Qatar
Haha a bit late for the city to boycott anything Qatari.
Completely missing the point, but fair enough if I'm not making my argument clear. It would be more like if the school bully goes around kicking everyone in the balls, yet when someone else does it they cry foul, all while still kicking people's balls. Then, when someone says to the bully that no one's balls should be kicked, and they have been doing the most kicking, the bully screams out in protest that we should only talk about this specific instance of ball-kicking or else it's whataboutism.
What's more, your metaphor implies that the people protesting Qatar in this thread are being personally victimized in some way. That is by and large not true, and if there is anyone that fits that description in this thread, please accept my most sincere apologies if my posts were insentitive to your plight. I am arguing against people throwing rocks from glass houses.
Please point me to where I have said that there shouldn't be boycotts of the Qatar World Cup.
In fact, I have repeatedly insisted that treatment of workers, women and queer folks is objectionable and that I ultimately disagree with the World Cup being held there. However, this isn't the only country with objectionable predatory profiteering and human rights records to have hosted a global event in the recent past. In practice, the members of the reigning world order continuously gaslight the rest of the world into still upholding them as some example to follow, while demonizing their political enemies into oblivion.
No one is more susceptible to this than the people of these countries, who, coincidentally, also wield the most economic power to affect policy through protests like boycotts. They have biases and blind spots when it comes to their in-group and their own cultures. It is my goal to uncover these double standards such that these people (some in this thread, some elsewhere) may look inward or elsewhere and note that other violations - coming from countries and cultures that include their own - may also deserve some attention and introspection. Maybe, once this happens, they will realize that past hosts were worthy of protest, and ultimately consider boycotting future events/nations with dire human rights and environmental records. In effect, I am doing exactly what you suggest I do.
There are many ways to argue this point, and I have no more of an obligation to make the argument exactly how you want to receive it, than you do to make an effort to understand.
I'm going to the World Cup as I'm Welsh and it's the first time in my life I've had this opportunity to follow my team.
I think the human rights record in Qatar is awful, and I think that about a lot of countries in that region. It doesn't stop me from wanting to visit them though, because I want to experience the place, the culture and meet the people there.
As countries with poor human rights records become more ingrained in global culture and business there is a hope that things improve for local people. Dubai is an example of a country that has improved in various measures, albeit at quite a slow pace, with the influx of foreign visitors and investment.
One example is in UAE they used to throw women in jail who had out of wedlock babies, which is absolutely horrific obviously, and they finally got rid that law last year.
I think the human rights record in Qatar is awful, and I think that about a lot of countries in that region. It doesn't stop me from wanting to visit them though, because I want to experience the place, the culture and meet the people there.
As countries with poor human rights records become more ingrained in global culture and business there is a hope that things improve for local people. Dubai is an example of a country that has improved in various measures, albeit at quite a slow pace, with the influx of foreign visitors and investment.
One example is in UAE they used to throw women in jail who had out of wedlock babies, which is absolutely horrific obviously, and they finally got rid that law last year.
I completely understand this and the amount of noise generated by the boycott movement has also helped push change. I still havent made up my mind yet, I was absolutely going to boycott it very early on in the piece but think I will end up watching it. My main complaint these days is how FIFA simply grovels at the feet of money, they have done this for a long time but in recent years its become really bad. They arent really trying to grow the game, they are actually trying to grow commercial opportunities
I'm sure it will be fun going there to watch it live.
No alcohol, profanity, loud music and sounds, and not taking pictures inside the stadium without asking everyone for permission.
No alcohol, profanity, loud music and sounds, and not taking pictures inside the stadium without asking everyone for permission.
Seems like a Country stuck in the dark ages.I'm sure it will be fun going there to watch it live.
No alcohol, profanity, loud music and sounds, and not taking pictures inside the stadium without asking everyone for permission.
What a load of poopooI'm sure it will be fun going there to watch it live.
No alcohol, profanity, loud music and sounds, and not taking pictures inside the stadium without asking everyone for permission.
I'm sure it will be fun going there to watch it live.
No alcohol, profanity, loud music and sounds, and not taking pictures inside the stadium without asking everyone for permission.
Feck sake I was planning on bringing my Megaphone and a Vuvuzela.
I'll also have to try hard to avoid the problematic behaviours of dating, crossing my legs or taking pictures of people having a wank without their permission.
If a few high profile players withdrew their participation I wonder if many more would follow.
Do we have proof this is real?I'm sure it will be fun going there to watch it live.
No alcohol, profanity, loud music and sounds, and not taking pictures inside the stadium without asking everyone for permission.
That originated on a spoof site. It does not really exist. It was on 9gag.com
I saw it on Reddit, so i doubt we'll see thousands killed for breaking these, but unfortunately i think it's not far from what they actually want.
I agree, it is not far from the reality, even if they are not advertising it.
10,000 litres a day for each pitch: Qatar World Cup’s huge impact on Gulf waters
A member of staff works on the pitch as sprinklers spray water at Stadium 974, a venue for the 2022 Qatar World Cup
Reliance on desalination comes with a big environmental cost for the region’s marine environment
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...pitch-qatar-world-cup-huge-impact-gulf-waters
A member of staff works on the pitch as sprinklers spray water at Stadium 974, a venue for the 2022 Qatar World Cup
Reliance on desalination comes with a big environmental cost for the region’s marine environment
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...pitch-qatar-world-cup-huge-impact-gulf-waters
The Guardian are cranking it up. This one is as much about Fifa as Qatar.
The most significant day in the history of modern football ended with the award of a tainted event that is now weeks away
by Barney Ronay
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...on-and-the-remarkable-road-to-qatar-world-cup
The most significant day in the history of modern football ended with the award of a tainted event that is now weeks away
by Barney Ronay
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...on-and-the-remarkable-road-to-qatar-world-cup
Yes but Madrid's multifloor layering so it can accommodate different events is great for the environment and a wonderful innovation.
Would be great to see similar investigation of the environment impact of other stadiums, but ofcourse there won't be.
Start a thread and do a comparison of negative effects. Or search to see if the environmental impact was ever published. Or just continue to argue against journalism with eye rolling and whataboutery.
This sort of comment just adds nothing. If you've something to say about Madrid's stadium then say it (preferably in a different thread) or give your opinion on the matter at hand in this thread. What is your opinion on the Qatari WC and its environmental and social impact?
The only thing I have against the WC it is the scheduling. Having a winter world cup is upsetting the domestic leagues to much.
Human rights abuses, corruption, authoritarian regime. That's horrible but then we wouldn't be having world cups in many countries. Everyone seems fine with having it elsewhere despite their abuses and such so can't deny Qatar based on that.
Don't like Qatar as a country and countries in the middle east, wouldn't want to move there.
May I ask if you're okay with Madrid's new stadium from an environmental perspective? Or will you say that isn't for this thread open a new thread blah blah blah.
Personally I think massive engineering projects should be scrutinised as much as possible. I think environmental issues are fast becoming the main issue for us. But if anyone does publish a report I won't send them a list of other projects that need examining, I'll read it on merit.
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Basically what moses said above covers it. To be absolutely honest I don't know anything like enough about it.
The bolded bit strikes me as a little silly. There was uproar about Russia getting it and Brazil was also scrutinized. The issue with Qatar is that some of the day to day rules (quite apart from egregious human rights abuses) are so alien to us - some would say oppressive - that of course there will be additional scrutiny. But just throwing your hands up and saying 'well let's not scrutinize any host' is no solution.
Is anyone actually going? I've attended the last 5 World Cups but I might give this a miss because I can't seem to find any hotel accommodation. All the places I've looked up are fully booked and the ones that aren't have all been massively inflated to like a 1500 euro per night. It's so ridiculous. 
I am not going to spend like over 40,000 euro for a month of accommodation in a pathetic shared room. My goodness. If anyone knows of any accommodation with decent affordable pricing, please let me know.
I am not going to spend like over 40,000 euro for a month of accommodation in a pathetic shared room. My goodness. If anyone knows of any accommodation with decent affordable pricing, please let me know.Is anyone actually going? I've attended the last 5 World Cups but I might give this a miss because I can't seem to find any hotel accommodation. All the places I've looked up are fully booked and the ones that aren't have all been massively inflated to like a 1500 euro per night. It's so ridiculous.
I can't get my head around the logistics. It's a small place? Are all the fans together? Will any ordinary folk get to attend or would one have to be even more minted than usual to go?
I am going, as I won a contest of sorts to attend for two weeks with flights and accommodation paid for. It will be my first ever international tournament, so I am incredibly excited to see it all. I am fully aware that Qatar cheated to get it and abused workers, so you can call me Gary Neville.Is anyone actually going? I've attended the last 5 World Cups but I might give this a miss because I can't seem to find any hotel accommodation. All the places I've looked up are fully booked and the ones that aren't have all been massively inflated to like a 1500 euro per night. It's so ridiculous.
FIFA can do one, I am not watching this I decided that when they chose this bullshit.
Are you sure you won't just watch, but not tell anyone here ?
Yeah, I thought I was boycotting this some years ago but now I can't fecking wait.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the shops to buy tonight's animal cruelty with a side of mashed potato.
Let’s withdraw our national team in making a real effort of boycotting. We won’t win it anyway.
In the present context, the european 'human rights' warriors advocating boycott of the WC have got to be the biggest hypocrites around. I mean, many European nations are literally scrambling out deals with Qatar to replace Russian energy. I wonder why these people are not advocating against these deals so that they can really hurt Qatar. Oh, I forgot.. keyboard warriors are averse to sacrificing luxury for their cause, aren't they?
What's your opinion on Qatar's human rights record as well as on the social and environmental impact that hosting the world cup has taken on the country and its workforce?
That's what it's all about. Even more compelling with the news that Neville and Beckham have signed up to be spokespersons for the whole sordid affair. It's particularly shambolic from Neville, who has eeked out a platform as a pundit and figurehead in football championing people's rights.