Boehly is going to ruin Chelsea (hopefully)

Pretty much, if Sir Alex had retired as originally planned in 2002...

Anyway, IF Clearlake somehow get sporting directors and a CEO who does have a clue how to run a football club, then we might be ok, eventually...
 
It feels like Boehly and crew have just been making decision after decision based on some spreadsheet-based, baseball-influenced abstract notion of how to turnover a squad and construct a youthful soccerball side without any real attention to the importance of cohesion, chemistry, professionalism, leadership, etc within a club.

They have a lot of young talent on paper and have been better than their results but something really seems to be fundamentally missing within the club.

I will be interested to see what kind of financial leeway they still have left to add players over the winter and next summer. CL qualification seems basically impossible at this point and they may struggle to make Europe at all again. This isn't a club with a very robust matchday+commercial revenue base compared to other big clubs, they've always depended on on-pitch success fueling big broadcast revenues in addition to player sales out of their academy. They're running out of players to sell who would generate substantial FFP gains and the most likely candidates are guys they probably shouldn't sell for sporting reasons. If they start selling players like Gallagher and Colwill just so they can buy the flavor of the month, its just going to dig the hole deeper.
 
Did Enzo and Caciedo just fancy xmas off or are they both injured now?

Mario Lemina was better than anything Chelsea put out in central midfield today.

He cost Wolves 9.7m a year ago.

Chelsea need some signings like that, unheralded players but who are reasonably experienced at top level as Lemina was at Marseille and Juventus earlier in his career and will put 100% in game after game. However with his age he's someone the Clearlake lot would never consider with lack of re-sale value.
 
Did Enzo and Caciedo just fancy xmas off or are they both injured now?

Mario Lemina was better than anything Chelsea put out in central midfield today.

He cost Wolves 9.7m a year ago.

Chelsea need some signings like that, unheralded players but who are reasonably experienced at top level as Lemina was at Marseille and Juventus earlier in his career and will put 100% in game after game. However with his age he's someone the Clearlake lot would never consider with lack of re-sale value.

I’m sorry but this is nonsense. I know it’s trendy to have a pop at who cost what at Chelsea but Gallagher was head and shoulders the best midfielder on that pitch.

It’s not the first time something like that was said about a random opponent of Chelsea. I remember someone trying to say some bloke in the Forest midfield outplayed Enzo and Gallagher. Seems like people it’s a thing people like to do, to hype up random players to make a point against Chelsea’s midfielders they’ve been itching to make anyway.
 
I’m sorry but this is nonsense. I know it’s trendy to have a pop at who cost what at Chelsea but Gallagher was head and shoulders the best midfielder on that pitch.

It’s not the first time something like that was said about a random opponent of Chelsea. I remember someone trying to say some bloke in the Forest midfield outplayed Enzo and Gallagher. Seems like people it’s a thing people like to do, to hype up random players to make a point against Chelsea’s midfielders they’ve been itching to make anyway.

Looking forward to selling Gallagher in next six months to meet FFP requirements for the coming year?
 
I’m sorry but this is nonsense. I know it’s trendy to have a pop at who cost what at Chelsea but Gallagher was head and shoulders the best midfielder on that pitch.

It’s not the first time something like that was said about a random opponent of Chelsea. I remember someone trying to say some bloke in the Forest midfield outplayed Enzo and Gallagher. Seems like people it’s a thing people like to do, to hype up random players to make a point against Chelsea’s midfielders they’ve been itching to make anyway.

Agreed. Lemina ran about a lot like a headless chicken and munched a few players. If he didn't score it would have been looked at as an average game.
 
Did Enzo and Caciedo just fancy xmas off or are they both injured now?

Mario Lemina was better than anything Chelsea put out in central midfield today.

He cost Wolves 9.7m a year ago.

Chelsea need some signings like that, unheralded players but who are reasonably experienced at top level as Lemina was at Marseille and Juventus earlier in his career and will put 100% in game after game. However with his age he's someone the Clearlake lot would never consider with lack of re-sale value.

Enzo is dealing with a hernia and Caicedo was ill.
 
Just had a thought, why on earth have Chelsea escaped all the banter?
 
We are behind this shit show as things stand. Theyre an absolute mess and laughing stock and are above us in the table. Pretty grim
 
Thought this was an interesting read...

Todd Boehly, Chelsea’s self-styled revolutionary, is facing failure

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/27/todd-boehly-chelsea-transfer-failure-premier-league
This article completely misses the point of what Chelsea was trying to do though, and the fact that we do t know yet whether it will work.

Our “horrible busts” have mostly been defined by injuries, not necessarily abysmal play. Now, should they buy players who already have hamstring issues like Lavia considering our recent history? Probably not.

We still need a reliable front man, and the team needs to grow into itself. But all those “youth talents” we’ve been flooding the club with are exempt from FFP. When we are able to turn around and sell the ones that don’t make it for pure profit 2 or 3 years from now, people will once again ask “how did they do that??”

FFP going to 70% is going to be crushing for most teams, even the wealthiest ones if they are stuck with aging rosters that need to turn over more than 3 or 4 spots.

Chelsea have redefined the salary structure of the club and are building a multi club model that can bypass having to pay the Brighton’s of the world 80m for the targets they developed.

Have they had missteps and some bad luck? Yes. But that doesn’t mean the basic idea was horrible. They would have had more veteran presences of Silva, Chilwell, Sterling, Gallagher, Nkunku and James mixed in with top younger players like Fofana with PL seasons already under their belt, and then elite young, young talent coming behind them. That’s what they purchased. They haven’t received the benefit of it and players like Silva have had to play every match due to injuries.

They also had to move on nearly 30 players. With the exception of a few blundering hiccups they’ve done a very good job there as well.

Chelsea fans should t be happy with where we are, but that should involve heavy looks at things like our training and medical staff more than their financial strategy.
 
So when is this fabulous disruption and transformation of football (sorry, I meant soccer), kicking in?
 
So when is this fabulous disruption and transformation of football (sorry, I meant soccer), kicking in?

Well, we finished 12th last season. We've been hovering around 10th this season. I'd say give us another 4-5 seasons, about 10 new managers and a further 37 new players and we'll be knocking City off the top spot and dominating the league.
 
This article completely misses the point of what Chelsea was trying to do though, and the fact that we do t know yet whether it will work.

Our “horrible busts” have mostly been defined by injuries, not necessarily abysmal play. Now, should they buy players who already have hamstring issues like Lavia considering our recent history? Probably not.

We still need a reliable front man, and the team needs to grow into itself. But all those “youth talents” we’ve been flooding the club with are exempt from FFP. When we are able to turn around and sell the ones that don’t make it for pure profit 2 or 3 years from now, people will once again ask “how did they do that??”

FFP going to 70% is going to be crushing for most teams, even the wealthiest ones if they are stuck with aging rosters that need to turn over more than 3 or 4 spots.

Chelsea have redefined the salary structure of the club and are building a multi club model that can bypass having to pay the Brighton’s of the world 80m for the targets they developed.

Have they had missteps and some bad luck? Yes. But that doesn’t mean the basic idea was horrible. They would have had more veteran presences of Silva, Chilwell, Sterling, Gallagher, Nkunku and James mixed in with top younger players like Fofana with PL seasons already under their belt, and then elite young, young talent coming behind them. That’s what they purchased. They haven’t received the benefit of it and players like Silva have had to play every match due to injuries.

They also had to move on nearly 30 players. With the exception of a few blundering hiccups they’ve done a very good job there as well.

Chelsea fans should t be happy with where we are, but that should involve heavy looks at things like our training and medical staff more than their financial strategy.


Ahh yes. Let's not pay Brighton 80m, we can just pay it to Shahktar instead. The buying young players works if they young players are actually good though.
 
Trouble ahead...


"Chelsea told they face impossible task to raise £100m in four months or face disaster. A former Manchester City financial advisor believes that Chelsea are destined to breach financial fair play (FFP) regulations this season and could be in for a big punishment.

Chelsea have splurged more than $1billion in transfer fees alone since owner Todd Boehly’s arrival in May 2022.

The Blues enjoyed a quiet January transfer window, with no incomings and only a few loan departures, but spent a whooping £434.5m in the summer alone.

And Stefan Borson, who previously worked as an advisor at the Etihad, believes the club will almost certainly fail FFP at the end of the season unless they sell a raft of players early in the summer.

‘In my mind, there is certainly trouble on the horizon and they will certainly fail FFP for the current season unless – and it seems unlikely – that by June 30th they sell well over 100million worth of players,’ Borson said, speaking on talkSPORT.

‘But the window that they can now do that is very small because straight after the season we have the Euros.

‘Someone like Conor Gallagher is going to be at the Euros from June 14th so if they want to ship him before the 30th, they have got to move very quickly and the likely buyers are going to know that Chelsea need to sell players."
 
Other clubs are missing the trick here. Collectively, they could really do some damage on Chelsea by not giving them ridiculous fees for players like Gallagher. If no one comes in for him early, then they will panic and sell cheap. Our purchase of Mount in his last year of contract has only helped keep them out off FFP breeches I guess - we should be closing in to inflict damage on them. It's amazing how they have got away with it so far.
 
Other clubs are missing the trick here. Collectively, they could really do some damage on Chelsea by not giving them ridiculous fees for players like Gallagher. If no one comes in for him early, then they will panic and sell cheap. Our purchase of Mount in his last year of contract has only helped keep them out off FFP breeches I guess - we should be closing in to inflict damage on them. It's amazing how they have got away with it so far.

Yup, it doesn't help when Arsenal and us help them by paying £130M for a load of dross.
 
Trouble ahead...


"Chelsea told they face impossible task to raise £100m in four months or face disaster. A former Manchester City financial advisor believes that Chelsea are destined to breach financial fair play (FFP) regulations this season and could be in for a big punishment.

Chelsea have splurged more than $1billion in transfer fees alone since owner Todd Boehly’s arrival in May 2022.

The Blues enjoyed a quiet January transfer window, with no incomings and only a few loan departures, but spent a whooping £434.5m in the summer alone.

And Stefan Borson, who previously worked as an advisor at the Etihad, believes the club will almost certainly fail FFP at the end of the season unless they sell a raft of players early in the summer.

‘In my mind, there is certainly trouble on the horizon and they will certainly fail FFP for the current season unless – and it seems unlikely – that by June 30th they sell well over 100million worth of players,’ Borson said, speaking on talkSPORT.

‘But the window that they can now do that is very small because straight after the season we have the Euros.

‘Someone like Conor Gallagher is going to be at the Euros from June 14th so if they want to ship him before the 30th, they have got to move very quickly and the likely buyers are going to know that Chelsea need to sell players."

let's give them a hand by taking Enzo Fernández out of their hands. American owners should do the right thing and help each other out in times of crisis. I'm sure we can get Enzo some sort of space in our stacked midfield
 
Chelsea are in a mess I feel. Gallagher has looked one of their better players this season and he’s likely to have to leave.
 
Likely to let Thiago Silva go in the summer too.

They are a bad mix of bang average and incredibly injury prone players.

If I was building that team now, the only two players that I'd say have a good long term future at Chelsea are Palmer and Fernandez. Caicedo possibly, but even he has looked a shadow of the player he was at Brighton.
 
You'd assume Gallagher (with just one year left on his deal) and Broja going to Fulham full time will raise about 70m +. So then a case of Chelsea selling a few players out on loan.

They won't have any issue raising 100m + in a month if teams relegated from the prem can do that.

The bigger problem is the existing players. They all signed these long contracts on reduced salaries compared to what they would have received at other interested clubs so eventually motivation will drop if you're not playing in europe and then suddenly it's trying to move on a player with still six years left on their deal which isn't easy.
 
Trouble ahead...


"Chelsea told they face impossible task to raise £100m in four months or face disaster.

Impossible task?

Lukaku, Maatsen, Chalobah, Hall, Ziyech and Broja will all bring money in over the summer. We'll easily get 100 million from that lot over the summer.

That's without selling anyone from the current squad or any of the 100 youngsters we bought last year which we could also do if necessary.
 
Impossible task?

Lukaku, Maatsen, Chalobah, Hall, Ziyech and Broja will all bring money in over the summer. We'll easily get 100 million from that lot over the summer.

That's without selling anyone from the current squad or any of the 100 youngsters we bought last year which we could also do if necessary.

Unless it's Saudi Arabia offers you'll struggle to get rid of Lukaku and Ziyech! You couldn't sell Broja in January either!
 
Impossible task?

Lukaku, Maatsen, Chalobah, Hall, Ziyech and Broja will all bring money in over the summer. We'll easily get 100 million from that lot over the summer.

That's without selling anyone from the current squad or any of the 100 youngsters we bought last year which we could also do if necessary.
You’re not getting close to 100m for that and if you could have sold Lukaku you would have sold him by now.
 
You’re not getting close to 100m for that and if you could have sold Lukaku you would have sold him by now.

Unless it's Saudi Arabia offers you'll struggle to get rid of Lukaku and Ziyech! You couldn't sell Broja in January either!

Lukaku took a massive pay cut for the remainder of his contract prior to the Roma loan being agreed so selling him will be a hell of a lot easier in the next window than it was last summer or in 2022. The renegotiated salary package also included a 35-40M€ release clause in Lukaku's contract which can be activated by his current loan club Roma or anyone else. Whether we get the full release clause amount or something a bit lower is a question mark but he'll 100% be gone for good in a matter of months. He's also started flirting with the head choppers in recent weeks so might even go there for a retirement fund but he can definitely stay in Italy and continue earning a more modest wage if he still fancies playing in Europe.

Ziyech is already gone. The loan to Galatasaray is said to include an obligation to buy him. The fee will be nominal at best, maybe even a freebie, but he won't be returning.

As for Maatsen, Chalobah, Broja and Hall it remains to be seen how much they'll bring in. Hall's loan to Newcastle already has an obligation to buy for £28M so unless something really drastic happens that's more or less guaranteed, Maatsen's loan to Dortmund has started brilliantly and I don't think there will be a shortage of takers for the £35M release clause included in his revised contract.

Chalobah has also attracted plenty of interest both in England and abroad, but his injury problems this season have so far scuppered the possibility of a deal but I could easily see him fetching £15-20M as well. You mentioned we couldn't sell Broja in the January window but did you see how very little transfer business was done in the EPL overall? Every club seemed almost afraid to spend any money, but I doubt that's going to continue once the summer window comes around. He's on loan at Fulham now and if he plays decentlyover the next months there will almost certainly be clubs interested in signing him in the summer and it's only going to be a question of how much the club are demanding to sell him. If there are some serious FFP concerns, the fee will naturally be on the lower end but if the club are in a position to stick to the valuation and there are still clubs interested it could raise his sale price.

So let's see: Hall £28M, Maatsen £30-35M, Chalobah £15-20M, Broja £25-35M, Lukaku £25-35M, Ziyech free transfer

All added up a conservative estimate would be £120M and could even go as high as £150M. Feel free to save the post and quote me at the end of June and we'll see who's right and who's wrong.
 
We had this exact same conversation on this forum before last season ended. The general consensus then was that Chelsea would be unable to offload many of the unwanted players. We ended up raising around £230m.