Boehly is going to ruin Chelsea (hopefully)
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Well, I can't tell if it's spin or reality but James Ducker says we're limited by UEFA rules:
Someone on here made a great thread (which I can't find atm) detailing how we're basically forced to sell for +50 £ mio. if we are to invest properly in the Summer - but without explaining how Chelsea avoid the same limitations. I just don't get it.
You've already spend 250 million this season and if that tweet is accurate you're owed 300 million. Get whoever owes you that to pay up and you could easily end up spending more than Chelsea.
We owe £300m
Ouchy. Then yeah, you obviously shouldn't be spending a ton more if you aren't paying people what you agreed to.
It's a it different at Chelsea I guess. Debt free because we've been so careful and well run over the years.
This is a joke.
How much money does Boehly have
Perhaps he's assuming a top striker and midfielder would be 300M+? Also Chelsea tend to sell well in the recent past? Have won the CL, are through to knockout this year.
Do they have a plan? They must.. I just dont get it.
Lukakau is leaving .. permanent or loan
Felix will go back
Auba is useless.
CHO might as well move on
Pulisic is leaving
Havert is leaving
Leaves them with
Mudryk
Nkunku
Sterling
Havertz
Broja?
Probably not enough after the cull.. could do with more
but this also shows the risk of handing out those insane contracts.. their hit rate hasnt been great.. flops on large wages with 7 year contracts is going to be a real headache..
Lukakau is leaving .. permanent or loan
Felix will go back
Auba is useless.
CHO might as well move on
Pulisic is leaving
Havert is leaving
Leaves them with
Mudryk
Nkunku
Sterling
Havertz
Broja?
Probably not enough after the cull.. could do with more
but this also shows the risk of handing out those insane contracts.. their hit rate hasnt been great.. flops on large wages with 7 year contracts is going to be a real headache..
Just to post old Ben again with more rumours that won’t happen
About $4 billion.
He doesn't own Chelsea though, this isn't all his money being spent.
So the ideal Chelsea lineup after all the purchases looks like:
Kepa
James - Silva - Fofana - Chilwell
Kovacic - Kante
Sterling - Felix - Mudryk
Havertz
This is a mediocre team, genuinely think we can beat them comfortably. James, Chilwell, Fofana and Kante are sicknotes. Kovacic, Sterling and Silva are proven but out of form or old. Felix probably unbothered as he is there on a rental. No goals, defensively suspect, terrible goalkeeper and lacking balance. What on earth are they doing?
Kepa
James - Silva - Fofana - Chilwell
Kovacic - Kante
Sterling - Felix - Mudryk
Havertz
This is a mediocre team, genuinely think we can beat them comfortably. James, Chilwell, Fofana and Kante are sicknotes. Kovacic, Sterling and Silva are proven but out of form or old. Felix probably unbothered as he is there on a rental. No goals, defensively suspect, terrible goalkeeper and lacking balance. What on earth are they doing?
Now linked to Caicedo too. Again, is the debt burden for all these acquisitions on Chelsea FC, who in turn have to pay interest on the loans given out by Boehly and his band of American financiers? Pretty similar to the West's neo-colonial model, who disguise these high-interest loans as "aid/charity".
Our signings being given huge contract lengths to spread amortisation out.
Clear Lake borrowed £800m to fund the spree. My guess is qualifying for the Europa at least very helpful next season for financial fair play.
It's hard to say how it will all work out, certainly possible "not well" could be the answer.
Does it matter? The Chelsea money is leveraged funds anyway, he's not spending his own cash.
Imagine of Ten Hag had this sort of backing.
What kind of team would we have right now.
I wouldn't call this 'backing' the signings have been pretty wild and disjointed. Potter has some players there who definitely aren't his / Tuchel was handed players he couldn't use.
Probably the same one we have, he's brought in the players he wanted and is evaluating what we still need after working with what he has
Why are people so offended by the spending of money? It may seem like a lot to some… to others it looks like less than a single shortstop in todays market.
If you structure the deals right and you believe there will be a continuing upward trend in player inflation, then money spent now may save you money.
If the first primary penalties of FFP are essentially luxury taxes then …. Ok. Clearlake budgets 188m just in luxury taxes each year for the Dodgers. The group that owns the GS Warriors spend nearly 300m a year JUST in luxury taxes.
The group in charge of that money is a lot more astute now as well. The “structure” is at least starting to come together.
And I worried about the Chelsea “player power” effect. ETH did a good job with that at United and was backed. Clearlake looks like they’ll buy an entire new squad if that’s what they need to do to get everyone pushing in the same direction.
Badiashile looked really good. With faster CBs like that Cucurella can play his possession-out game without those moments caught out, OR maybe Lewis Hall just takes his job. This is all the way it should work.
With Nkunku and Mudryk you have two guys that can dribble at players FAST. Noni fits that profile as well, so you can see a strategy unfolding .
Just need the right midfield, make sure the medical and training processes are sorted, and I really think the direction is good.
One thing: I still don’t quite get why Ziyech is out in the cold. He doesn’t seem low effort to me in phases like people say. Am I just missing that?
A halfway competent striker and he’d be putting it on their toes and creating goals for fun
If you structure the deals right and you believe there will be a continuing upward trend in player inflation, then money spent now may save you money.
If the first primary penalties of FFP are essentially luxury taxes then …. Ok. Clearlake budgets 188m just in luxury taxes each year for the Dodgers. The group that owns the GS Warriors spend nearly 300m a year JUST in luxury taxes.
The group in charge of that money is a lot more astute now as well. The “structure” is at least starting to come together.
And I worried about the Chelsea “player power” effect. ETH did a good job with that at United and was backed. Clearlake looks like they’ll buy an entire new squad if that’s what they need to do to get everyone pushing in the same direction.
Badiashile looked really good. With faster CBs like that Cucurella can play his possession-out game without those moments caught out, OR maybe Lewis Hall just takes his job. This is all the way it should work.
With Nkunku and Mudryk you have two guys that can dribble at players FAST. Noni fits that profile as well, so you can see a strategy unfolding .
Just need the right midfield, make sure the medical and training processes are sorted, and I really think the direction is good.
One thing: I still don’t quite get why Ziyech is out in the cold. He doesn’t seem low effort to me in phases like people say. Am I just missing that?
A halfway competent striker and he’d be putting it on their toes and creating goals for fun
I personally don't give two shits and find it hysterical the people who are crying about it.
This sport went to hell with all the insane fees & spending long ago!
Me either, but it'll because he's American and they know sod all about football according to the CAF - he's a fecking billionaire, I reckon he knows what he's doing most of the time
I'm not worried about Chelsea at all anymore. They are an absolute car crash of a club at the moment. There's no way Potter is on board with all these signings either. Just doesn't seem his style at all. It's going to end in tears.
We need to get our house in order. Hopefully a sale of the club, hire some top execs who know what they are doing and carry on with Erik Ten Hag who is doing a fine job so far.
We need to get our house in order. Hopefully a sale of the club, hire some top execs who know what they are doing and carry on with Erik Ten Hag who is doing a fine job so far.
He clearly doesn’t know football though.
Because your club makes mistakes after mistakes but simply because you’re a billionaires play thing you stay relevant
Seems like that at the minute but things can turn very quickly in this sport.
Who thought at the start of this season that at this stage Arsenal would be 8 clear of City and Liverpool being below Brighton and also Newcastle being where they are?
I've seen plenty of bs now to not rule out Chelsea coming back strong.
Roman didn't know football either so I guess it's not an uncommon thing in West London!
You mean the £1.6bn interest free loan the Russian oligarch gave to Chelsea that was since completely forgiven as part of the takeover negotiations?
Youre right though, Chelsea has been well run from a sporting perspective, but from a financal perspective youve been playing monopoly with full access to the bank and no consequences to consider.
Has havertz said he wants to go?
Clearlake holds approximately 77 Billion in assets for sporting investment. About 40B of that is cash on hand.
When people list groups like the Saudi investment fund having 500b … the question then becomes “what is that money for?” Is that the total amount of money they control for everything they are involved in?
Clearlake isn’t the total wealth of the people involved. That monetary figure is the amount they have set aside JUST for sporting investment.
We are paying people what we agreed to. The 300M owed is on the installments negotiated for past transfers. It is very rare to pay it all upfront.
With all that said, I would imagine that a new owner with deep pockets would clear the transfer debt, giving us freedom to move unencumbered this summer. We also have a lot of deadwood to shift out, even on reduced fees. Maguire, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzebe, Van Der Beek, Telles, and Henderson. We can also potentially sell a couple of other players such as Elanga, as we have Diallo and Hannibal to come back from productive loans. Bailly has a 7m buy obligation in his loan. You would imagine that Maguire and Henderson can be shifted for a combined 50-60M. Jones will go on a free. Tuanzebe, Van Der Beek, and Telles can raise a combined 20-25m. That alone is 82M, plus the sale of someone like Elanga, can take overall sales to near 100m on the conservative end of the scale. All while reducing the wage bill significantly. From that list, only Maguire plays an active squad role, - so none of the other sales would need replacing - but Maguire himself would need replacing in some capacity. With Shaw being a more than able CB, that could mean signing any one of another CB, LB or RB to cover his loss, because Dalot can also play left back. My guess is that it would be a right sided player who could play as either RB or CB. Timber fits that mold perfectly, as we'd likely be looking for high quality cover for Varane, who is quite injury susceptible. Shaw is now the clear natural replacement for Martinez. The other player who stands out for me is Gvardiol. But he would cost a fortune, and in all likelihood look to start, not be a sub. As much as I like Gvardiol, I think Varane has several good years left in him, and has been utterly brilliant this season.
He does need cover though, and ideally it would potentially be someone who can take over from him in 2-3 years. Which would indicate a younger player. It's tricky move all things considered. Badiashile was a player that I felt fit that criteria, but he has since moved on to the the financial black hole that is Chelsea. RB is often mooted as a real problem position for us, but Dalot has been superb this season, and AWB has come out nowhere to really look the part. So unless we signed a world class RB, I don't see the point in buying another one, unless we are selling AWB. There are more pressing concerns in the team.
Most critically we need cover in midfield for the 6 position. If Casemiro is out, we have nothing. A complete void. McTominay is an 8, as is Fred (another player reborn under ETH). So my midfield priority would be to sign a young defensive mdifielder, who can have the luxury of at least 2 seasons to develop and become accustomed to the league. I am not sure who that is. Elsewhere we need to sign a top class striker. Martial is top quality in many regards - you can see the difference in our play against City after he went off - and ETH rates him highly. But we must move heaven and earth to sign a player with the qualities he brings (hold up play, and bringing others into play) but who is also clinical in front of goal and has a great engine. Martial remains injury susceptible, and always strikes me as a player who just isn't as confident as he should be in his own ability.
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It just doesn't feel and look right. It looks like a yank who knows nothing about the game throwing money at everything and anything just like the Glazers did.
I don't see it being a happy marriage at all. In fact I'm almost certain I heard Chelsea fans in the stadium signing 'Roman Abramovich....Roman Abramovich' the other day. Says it all.
True its been a bit crazy and they've just spunked a truckload of cash on a 22year old. Not sure if we'd have that kind of money available in the summer but I really do hope we have a solid plan to hit the ground running the moment the window opens up.
I've always envied Pool and City to get transfer dealings done relatively early and quickly in a new window.
Can't be that bad of an owner. I mean he's spending big right?
there are loads of idiots in business really, because being a hyper-aggressive ass-hat willing to cut corners, break rules and shit all over people seems to work fairly well
people used to say trump was playing 5d chess but he’s clearly just a moron with the above traits and a rich daddy
Logic checks out...
But then the Orange one is supposed to a billionaire as well and we all know he doesn't know what the feck he's doing so ....
But …. The Glazers have relatively little money, had no interest in re investing in your club. A large number of the Clearlake guys are NOT American, the Glazers were seen as horrible owners prior to United takeover, and Clearlake had a fantastic reputation.
The Glazers had almost as little structure as Abramovich did, and nothing approaching the City model. Their guy Woodward was primarily concerned with squeezing money out of the club. Woodward would strive to get better deals from Cable and TV companies…. Clearlake own Cable and TV companies. When Clearlake says the IPs aren’t being used correctly, they mean the idea of making money directly from the team itself is antiquated.
They couldnt be more dissimilar. Just because people identify them both as “Yanks” … doesn’t make them alike.
Clearlake envisions a structure closer to City’s, but on a larger, more comprehensive scale .
We are barely into the project, and it is already looking really good actually. The injuries … that’s an issue that needs to be dealt with, and maybe not just with scrutiny of medical staff. James knee was nearly dislocated in causing the LCL strain with a studs up kick straight into the inner knee. Not only not a red or yellow … wasnt Called a foul. Some pundits have intimated that Chelsea may even deserve “less delicate” treatment due to the amounts being spent (looking at you Carragher)… which should be absurd. The NF game our players were at regular risk. Game today, the backs of Gallaghers socks were tattered shreds… they had just been raking them With studs all game … still a lower than average card count.
Anyway that’s a rant for another day. The point is people say “No Direction” and yet, aside from backing Tuchel purchases, we have had a very clear plan. We have super talented and well thought of football people in in a fully fleshed out leadership structure now.
With injuries squared away the team we could be looking at will be massively talented.. with massively talented players pushing them, and a growing cohesive structure tying it all together.
And the people who want to vacate or don’t fit the philosophical idea of the club … we will pay to move on, and even help find greener pastures.
Here’s the thing though… and why you won’t see a crackdown. There used to be a “United Tax” everyone knew about. Something like that will extend to all “spending” teams.
But the Benfica of the world will still be paying relatively “sane” fees.
This massive injection of “absurd” money is the only thing keeping some of these teams and leagues afloat. That 100m for Darwin became 17 mil for River for Enzo, and even more later.
These clubs come from places where the entire countries are in danger of default. They need this massive investment.
And, investment aside, you can’t field 22 guys at once and the super expensive sides will still fall on ocassion.
I get you don’t care that much, I was more using a “reply” to you to frame the argument.
Could you imagine a group of UEFA officials walking into meetings and telling a lot of these agents and teams “Don’t worry!! We are going to crack down and make sure these 100m transfers are put to a HALT!” ?
The officials wouldn’t make it out of that room in one piece.