Bluemoon goes into Meltdown

Platato said:
is bluemoon actually a fair representation of the majority of local city fans?
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Not in my experience.

Most blues I know are of verminater's type B - 'grounded, slightly disillusioned'. They really miss having the good old 'You've sold out; you're the corporate cancer killing football; we're the real local club keeping it real'-moral superiority stick to beat us over the head with; some to the extent I suspect it almost outweighs the joy of winning the league.

I think verminater's taxonomy is more or less correct, but would add the old friendly blue and the fairweather blue.
 
Waltraute said:
Not in my experience.

Most blues I know are of verminater's type B - 'grounded, slightly disillusioned'. They really miss having the good old 'You've sold out; you're the corporate cancer killing football; we're the real local club keeping it real'-moral superiority stick to beat us over the head with; some to the extent I suspect it almost outweighs the joy of winning the league.

I think verminater's taxonomy is more or less correct, but would add the old friendly blue and the fairweather blue.
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There is also a new type.
The student from elsewhere, that can't name the players, but "support them as underdogs"
£500 million Oil-backed underdogs!
 
verminater said:
One and the same!
They also can't see the difference between our spending and their's.
"We HAD to spend big to catch-up!"
Where the money comes from, has no bearing on anything.
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Had to laugh at the City spokesman, decrying the 'outrageous price of tickets!' leading to City sending much of their allocation back to Arsenal. Yes, that must be what it was... ;)
 
There was this guy on Talkshite this morning complaining about the price of the Arse tickets, he was saying about £62 for him & £45 each for his 2 kids, then £70 for petrol/travel plus food for the day, so it would be costing him getting on for £300 for the day.

Whilst I agree it's an awful lot of money, but if they were playing another London side who were charging a more reasonable £40 odd a ticket, then he would be saving maybe £40 or so for his family.

In the great scheme of things, £40 in £250 isn't that much of a big deal really, is it? They are both a lot of money which ever way you look at it.

Sending half the tickets back & blaming the price per ticket is a bullshit excuse.
 
Talking Vulture said:
You can't knock the cITY fans for not wanting to pay £62 for a game of football. I hate the cnuts with a passion but they are bang on with this.,
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When I was back in England I would bite your hand off to pay that for a top United game. Strangely, I managed to get into Highbury a few times, while I never got hold of a ticket for the Emirates.

The touts outside would be selling them for 200 quid and I ended up watching it in a bar, surrounded by Gooners and the odd travelling fan. One of those was the one Henry scored towards the end, I turned to my mate "we better get out of here" and a split second later pints were flying over our heads :lol:
 
verminater said:
There is also a new type.
The student from elsewhere, that can't name the players, but "support them as underdogs"
£500 million Oil-backed underdogs!
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Ah yes, the student blue.
I normally love all OOTers & OOCers, but they could be really obnoxious.

I thought they were a thing of the past, as they usually latched onto City for exactly the reason you mentioned. My sis & I talked about this just the other day: what's the current morally acceptable club for precious OOT students to support? We settled on FC United.

Fantastic that they're still at it, though. :lol:
 
From Bluemoon:

Just wanted to say this to any lurking Arsenal fans whom may still be caught in the headlights of a self consuming hatred eating away regarding our oil money.

I started watching City in 1972 when we truly had some great players and football was a world away from what it is today. Somewhere between 1978 -1982 we lost our way and the rot set in and since then I and thousands of others have had to suffer, watch and support some incredibly poor footballers. Most of us have travelled the length and breadth of this country spending thousands for nothing more in return than a faint glimmer of hope that one day it would change. Other clubs were financed and had great luck with the timing of the Premier League and the cartel of the Champions League and the gap grew ever wider.

To all you Arsenal fans who are now outraged with our newly found wealth please understand this - This is the only one way other clubs can compete nowadays and your cosy 'big 4' got too cosy to notice that by keeping it all to themselves that one day somebody somewhere more powerful or more richer would eventually say 'f**k this we're having some of it'. So whilst you enjoyed your time in the sun, we floundered and just about kept afloat largely due to thousands of us turning up week in week out. Yes we was here when we were shit. Whilst you have never ever had to witness years upon years of some of the worst footballers you could ever imagine wearing your beloved clubs shirt. You have never ever had to watch your closest historical neighbours win everything in sight for 20 years non stop. Doubles/trebles, buying star after star footballers, having to endure 20 plus years of piss taking from the world's biggest set of C**tiest supporters. Having to listen to every pundit from China to Chinley spout on about how great they are. You have never had to grow up and listen to every footballer tell us 'it's their dream to play for United'. To have the Munich disaster held as some self righteous reason why everybody should hold a candle for that club. You have never had to hang onto a dream that one day just one day you could have some success instead of watching your club yoyo from division to division, to watch your club change managers so often it became almost a monthly event. You have never had to watch your club lose at home to their historical friendly lower league clubs like Bury and Stockport.

Our name has been dragged through the mud, kicked in the balls, laughed at from all corners yet one thing has remained constant through it all.

Us the fans...

So please forgive me and try not to take this too personally but I couldn't give a flying f**k as to what Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, United, Gillingham, Stockport, Bury and any other football club on the planet thinks about how we got the money or how we go about spending the money. Right now I couldn't give an Owl's hoot as to bringing through some unknown kid from some unknown club from some unknown village on the planet, nurturing him and watching him grow with us. I'll tell you why that is, because for years we've done that and clubs like your's used to come and take them off us when all the hard work had been done. You would lord it over us like some self righteous lord of the manor who was coming to take what was rightly their own.

So forgive me this one little pleasure as I will go on for the next 10 years loving it if we spend spend and spend some more to bring any silverware and I mean any silverware to my beautiful long deserved club and our supporters.

Seven years without a trophy...comeback when your near the 35yr mark and i'll start to have some sympathy.
 
Scrumpet said:
Is it though? It's essentially "I'm allowed to be a hypocrite because of my unrivalled bitterness".
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I think it's more fans of successful clubs don't know what it's like to support a shit team. Which is pretty true of most posters on here including me. It's really easy to be principled about foreign owners when your teams the side who always wins everything.
 
Parts of it are fine, other parts debatable. It wasn't merely bad luck which caused the likes of City & Liverpool to decline in the PL era; nor does suffering this 'misfortune' entitle them to future success.
 
hes basically saying 'We have been really shit for 35 years so just give us a few years of happiness and we'll go back to being shit'.
 
They love to bang on about about their years of 'suffering', don't they? I'll tell you one thing, I can think of a feck load of clubs that are more deserving of a lottery win, than those bitter bluenose twats.
 
Well I recall when Arsenal were shit before George Graham and we didn't exactly dominate at any point in the last 30 years. We also built our present success on good management and investment...it wasn't handed to us at all. It just so happened to coincide with the rise of Sky and the EPL but we still worked hard to make the most of the new windfall. We also didn't get our new stadium handed to us...we built and paid for it ourselves.
 
Everybody started the Premier Leaggue with the same opportunities. Norwich had a title challenge for fecks sake. It's nobodies fault but their own that they couldn't capatilise on it.
 
Grinner said:
Well I recall when Arsenal were shit before George Graham and we didn't exactly dominate at any point in the last 30 years. We also built our present success on good management and investment...it wasn't handed to us at all. It just so happened to coincide with the rise of Sky and the EPL but we still worked hard to make the most of the new windfall. We also didn't get our new stadium handed to us...we built and paid for it ourselves.
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The fact they were given a stadium is often lost in the argument surrounding where their money came from. It was perhaps an even more unfair advantage. I bet Everton, Liverpool and the likes would love to be handed a free stadium.
 
Doesn't do himself any favours by mentioning Munich in there either. What was the relevance of that?
 
After reading about the ticket issue at Arsenal you forget the rivalry and realise they're just like us, but you spend 5 minutes on BM reading that drivel and the sympathy disappears. I hope they get they smashed on Sunday, especially after paying £62 to get in.
 
acnumber9 said:
Everybody started the Premier Leaggue with the same opportunities. Norwich had a title challenge for fecks sake. It's nobodies fault but their own that they couldn't capatilise on it.
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I still follow my hometown team Burton Albion when I can.

in the 35 years hes moaning about, they've managed a loss at wembley in the FA trophy,promotion to the football league, drawing against United in the FA cup.

If I was as much of a self entitled dickfecker as that guy, it would require Bill gates buying the club, dumping his entire fortune into building a squad with a front two of Ronaldo and Messi and include in the cost of a season ticket a blow job from Cheryl Cole at every home game to make up for the years of nothing.

As it happens, as nice as following United has been and the regular success, especially when I was able to go to Old Trafford every fortnight, just getting to Wembley in 1987 as a then non league club was as exciting as seeing United win Leagues and cups galore, only the CL in '99 was more exhilarating.

Following a football team isnt all about trophies, its about enjoying the journey.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
I still follow my hometown team Burton Albion when I can.

in the 35 years hes moaning about, they've managed a loss at wembley in the FA trophy,promotion to the football league drawing against Untied in the FA cup.

If I was as much of a self entitled dickfecker as that guy, it would require Bill gates buying the club, dumping his entire fortune into building a squad with a front two of Ronaldo and Messi and include in the cost of a season ticket a blow job from Cheryl Cole at every home game to make up for the years of nothing.

As it happens, as nice as following United has been and the regular success, especially when I was able to go to Old Trafford every fortnight, just getting to Wembley in 1987 as a then non league club was as exciting as seeing United win Leagues and cups galore, only the CL in '99 was more exhilarating.

Following a football team isnt all about trophies, its about enjoying the journey.
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Indeed. You need to experience the lows to enjoy the highs. If ever I get sick of watching Utd win or play good football I go and watch Glentoran to remind me how I should enjoy it.
 
acnumber9 said:
Everybody started the Premier Leaggue with the same opportunities. Norwich had a title challenge for fecks sake. It's nobodies fault but their own that they couldn't capatilise on it.
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This, this always seems to go amiss in those sort of debates. And people go on about that particular phase of the "Big 4" but that was for what four years? the Premier League is 20 years strong. There were years where the likes of Leeds and Newcastle were up there too. It's piss poor management that fecked it up for those guys. And ourselves, Arsenal and Liverpool are supposed to feel guilty about it? feck off.
 
Grinner said:
Yes but I don't think I want to get into that issue.
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You said you didn't see anything disrespectful of it, Scrumpet suggested where the disrespect angle came from and now you don't want to get into that? Fair enough, I thought you'd stick to your guns and point out how he wasn't doing that though.
 
City were a founder member of the PL in 1992. They fecked up by having a merry-go-round of shitty managers and that idiot Swales running them.
 
Gazza said:
You said you didn't see anything disrespectful of it, Scrumpet suggested where the disrespect angle came from and now you don't want to get into that? Fair enough, I thought you'd stick to your guns and point out how he wasn't doing that though.
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Well I think that City fans are probably sick of hearing about Munich...right or wrong. That's just my opinion. It's a very touchy subject though so I don't really want to get into it.
 
Leroy The Red said:
This, this always seems to go amiss in those sort of debates. And people go on about that particular phase of the "Big 4" but that was for what four years? the Premier League is 20 years strong. There were years where the likes of Leeds and Newcastle were up there too. It's piss poor management that fecked it up for those guys. And ourselves, Arsenal and Liverpool are supposed to feel guilty about it? feck off.
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Chelsea competed too even before Abramovich.
 
Grinner said:
Well I recall when Arsenal were shit before George Graham and we didn't exactly dominate at any point in the last 30 years. We also built our present success on good management and investment...it wasn't handed to us at all. It just so happened to coincide with the rise of Sky and the EPL but we still worked hard to make the most of the new windfall. We also didn't get our new stadium handed to us...we built and paid for it ourselves.
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We missed the boat when the PL arrived having been champions the year before. It was another five years until Dein belatedly realised the rules had changed and did something about it.
 
peterstorey said:
We missed the boat when the PL arrived having been champions the year before. It was another five years until Dein belatedly realised the rules had changed and did something about it.
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Didn't George have a stronger hand in the running of the club too? Once he was gone it was easier for Dein to steer things.
 
Grinner said:
Well I think that City fans are probably sick of hearing about Munich...right or wrong. That's just my opinion. It's a very touchy subject though so I don't really want to get into it.
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Every decent blue respects our feelings, and all older blues mourn Swift.
If they're sick of it they're wrong.

And I agree, let's not.
 
It's the modern way: other people's tragedies are 'boring', and we should all 'move on' quickly.
 
Grinner said:
Well I recall when Arsenal were shit before George Graham and we didn't exactly dominate at any point in the last 30 years. We also built our present success on good management and investment...it wasn't handed to us at all. It just so happened to coincide with the rise of Sky and the EPL but we still worked hard to make the most of the new windfall. We also didn't get our new stadium handed to us...we built and paid for it ourselves.
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In fairness, Arsenal is probably the last club he could have a go at.

Did we benefit from hitting top form and bringing through a top class generation of players as the EPL started? Definitely.

Did we have the resources to sustain and build on that? True.

Did others have the same opportunities but fecked up? Just look at Newcastle and Liverpool lately.

Could good coaching and sound financial management keep any well run club competitive? Look at Arsenal... until -about eight years ago, ehem- foreign ownership started throwing things progressively out of kilter.

He could only really level all that at Chelsea fans TBH, they were the club to take what few "stars" emerged there from them (at the time, and by their standards, SWP and Sturridge :lol:) but even before Roman they were doing a fairly good job of being there or thereabouts.
 
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