Blessing in disguise or madness?

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Red Defence said:
After losing Ronaldo last year I can take losing anyone. It wouldn't hurt half as much.
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oh i dunno about that, rooney would but much worse IMO...ronny was always gonna go, i had rooney down as a lifer.

Back on thread....i think it would be damaging to our club in the short term, but if, and its a big if, the money was reinvested in 2 or 3 very good prospects then it would be hard to argue with it. But it never seems to be that simple in reality.
 
TheReligion said:
Name me a player like Wayne Rooney who just "comes and goes"
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Cantona, Keane, Robson, Ronaldo, Beckham,

All world class players that have left and we carried on regardless, at least 3 of whom were more important to United than Rooney.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Cantona, Keane, Robson, Ronaldo, Beckham,

All world class players that have left and we carried on regardless, at least 3 of whom were more important to United than Rooney.
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Cantona - at end of career
Keane - at end of career
Robson - at end of career
Beckham - nowhere near the same status and billing as Rooney

Ronaldo - the only one that has any relevance, and we have hardly recovered yet, so the jury is still out.

I will ask you again...
 
TheReligion said:
Cantona - at end of career
Keane - at end of career
Robson - at end of career
Beckham - nowhere near the same status and billing as Rooney

Ronaldo - the only one that has any relevance, and we have hardly recovered yet, so the jury is still out.

I will ask you again...
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What are you talking about?
 
TheReligion said:
Cantona - at end of career
Keane - at end of career
Robson - at end of career
Beckham - nowhere near the same status and billing as Rooney

Ronaldo - the only one that has any relevance, and we have hardly recovered yet, so the jury is still out.

I will ask you again...
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He is not the be all and end all and loosing him will not affect us that badly in the long term, short term maybe for a season or two, but nothing long term to worry about.
 
There is obviously a need for a strategic planning manager at OT because if all this is true, its a corporate disaster.
 
No coincidence that the deterioration in the squad - from world class players to good players - has been since the arrival of the Glazers. Took a while, but they're making their presence felt now.
 
Feed Me said:
I have to disagree with that.

I'd take being the 'second' team in the City to have a debt free club. We can always rebuild from that position.

The debt issue is becoming really concerning.
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I'd probably go with that too. Anything that puts the clubs health under serious threat should be gotten rid off at any cost.
 
If Rooney wants to leave then there is nothing Ferguson can do to keep him. We wont let his contract run till its end that's for sure.
 
Feed Me said:
I have to disagree with that.

I'd take being the 'second' team in the City to have a debt free club. We can always rebuild from that position.

The debt issue is becoming really concerning.
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Say they clear the debt then the Glazers sell it to some other asshole that took out a 1.5 billion loan to buy the team then we are back in debt and are worse than City.

Oh the madness of it all.
 
So are we thinking that there might actually be something to this story? When I first heard it I assumed it was the same old bollocks that happens every now and then, but usually that doesn't result in a million threads with a million pages on RedCafe. Is there any indication that there's any truth to this?
 
Madness..............THIS IS MANCHESTER!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Scholesy said:
A blessing in disguise dependent on Fergie using the next transfer windows very wisely.
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If you believe the Glazer's version of things, we already have 100m in the bank without the need of selling Rooney.
 
If its true and he doesnt want to play for United then let him go!

Its Utter madness to keep a player that doesnt want to play for us.
 
Unfortunately the only team that'll pay more than maybe £35-40m for Rooney would be City and we all know what happened the last time we let an important player go there. If Madrid came in with £60m and Fergie spent it all and more it could be a blessing in disguise, he'd have to buy proven top drawer players though (of which there can't be that many on the market at the moment because of City).
 
Can I point out that we would be very unlikely to get much above £30 million for him.

Firstly his contract is running out, and any club would know that in 12 months time they can get him for absolutely nothing. All they would have to do is offer a huge signing on fee if he agrees to commit to them ( all under the table of course ) and he costs that club not one cent other than what they pay the player as a signing on fee.

Secondly his form has been so poor, that no one is going to pay top whack for a player that looks so out of sorts.

Finally, and this is a cruel reality. Clubs know that one way or the other he is wanting out. They wont pay over the odds for a player that really doesnt want to stop at the club anyway, and has shown not once, but twice that he is open to just deciding one morning he doesnt like it and wants out. Would any club pay £70 million for a player that could potentially in two years time turn up at the doorstep and say "sorry, I've had enough I want a move"

Rooneys track record will also be taken into account, and given the way he left Everton, and now how it appears at United, no club is going to be 100% sure that he will see out his contract.
 
I don't think we're at the stage yet where Rooney's position is 'untenable'. In fact we barely know what's going on behind the scenes. There's a whole lot of speculation and very little evidence.

Either way losing Rooney would not be a blessing in disguise. You have to believe that sooner or later he will regain his form and become invaluable again. He's such an important part of our team and we are just not the same without him at his best. For now im quite happy to stick, rather than twist.
 
TheReligion said:
You forget last season very quickly it seems
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We won the Carling Cup last season. What difference did it make to United that Rooney had a blockbuster of a season?

And before you go on and say that Rooney's injury hindered our chances of winning the Premiership and Champions League, then yes I agree but that's tough luck.

If he insists on leaving then United must sell, and not submit to odious claims for wages of 200k per week.
 
Red Defence said:
After losing Ronaldo last year I can take losing anyone. It wouldn't hurt half as much.
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I'm actually think so too, but at least in Ronaldo's case it was something most of us were prepared for, and in a way Ronaldo was honest about going to Real. You knew it was something he always wanted to do. It made you sick because it's real madrid, but at least I understood that was his boyhood club and once he'd achieved everything here he was entitled to leave.

With Rooney, it just seems so immature what he's doing. I mean, he's already had this reputation of being a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and a bit of a douchebag but for his people to say he might contemplate moving to city. He's basically just giving the united fans the middle finger and holding up a sign saying "feck you, give me more money or I go".

Even if he does stay, i've lost a ton of respect for him already.

fecked over Everton and the fans that supported him as a boy.

fecked over his childhood sweetheart and current wife (god knows how many times)

Is in the process of fecking over the United manager and fans.

It seems in his nature to stick it to anyone who has stood by him.
 
TheReligion said:
You forget last season very quickly it seems
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I remember last season very well and it takes more than one excellent season to put someone in the very top level like Ronaldo and Messi, Rooney isnt even close. Now crawl out from under your Wayne Rooney Duvet, put on your Wayne Rooney dressing gown and have a coffee and wake up, He is not as good as you think.
 
He seems to be loosing the plot... all i hope is seeing him play tomorrow, then we'll have a better idea. It can be a wind up.
 
Its also worth pointing out that if our players start to demand wages similiar to City/Chelsea then we as a club would struggle to finance them and put us even more trouble long term.

Arsenal manage their squad nicely and keep the wage bill down. The players who demand higher wages are soon on their way and that is exactly what we should be doing. We can't allow our wage bill to get out of hand.

Its about protecting the status of the club longterm, is Rooney essential to the success of Manchester United? I'm not so sure if i'm honest. He isn't a Ronaldo/Messi.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
I remember last season very well and it takes more than one excellent season to put someone in the very top level like Ronaldo and Messi, Rooney isnt even close. Now crawl out from under your Wayne Rooney Duvet, put on your Wayne Rooney dressing gown and have a coffee and wake up, He is not as good as you think.
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Do you want him to stay though?
 
No player is bigger than the club - not even Rooney.

He needs to sort his act out. I think he will though.
 
Its pure pure madness.
Would Barca sell Messi if he threw a tantrum? - No chance
Woud Mourinho sell Ronaldo if he threw a wobbler? - No chance
Selling Stam, Tevez were massive mistakes by Fergie so to say he never gets it wrong is bollox. It took us about 3 years to recover from selling Stam. Selling Beckham was maybe not a great idea also considering he had a lot to offer in my oinion and made Madrd 400 Million Euro in profit in his time there!
Man Utd are skint because of the Glazer scumbags and Fergie needs to raise cash for players and selling Rooney is the only way he knows he can revamp the squad with a few top youngsters.
If Fergie had money to spend then he would not be considering selling Rooney now despite Rooney being a total cock. Theres no gaurentees also that Fergie will get the full money from the Rooney sale to spend on new blood! Fergies abililty to handle our top performers needs to be questionsed also for the likes of Mourinho do not sell thier best players after a couple of tantrums and find ways to keep them happy and performing well!
 
Letting a star players contract run so close is the real crime...he should have been offered the contract extension at the end of last season and before he went to the world cup. If we had him sealed up for 4-5 years at least the club would have some time on their hands. But now, if we don't sell in the next 6 months there is a chance he could even buy out his own contract and go for as little as 10 million.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Its pure pure madness.
Would Barca sell Messi if he threw a tantrum? - No chance
Woud Mourinho sell Ronaldo if he threw a wobbler? - No chance
Selling Stam, Tevez were massive mistakes by Fergie so to say he never gets it wrong is bollox. It took us about 3 years to recover from selling Stam. Selling Beckham was maybe not a great idea also considering he had a lot to offer in my oinion and made Madrd 400 Million Euro in profit in his time there!
Man Utd are skint because of the Glazer scumbags and Fergie needs to raise cash for players and selling Rooney is the only way he knows he can revamp the squad with a few top youngsters.
If Fergie had money to spend then he would not be considering selling Rooney now despite Rooney being a total cock. Theres no gaurentees also that Fergie will get the full money from the Rooney sale to spend on new blood!
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Both Barca and Madrid can afford to throw stupid wages about though.

We didn't sell Tevez, he was loaned to us and the price was too high (even if I did love Tevez :()

Stam was a mistake, something Ferguson admits himself.

Beckham was the right decision, selling Veron in the same transfer window wasn't.

Ferguson has to look at the longterm future of the club, if by selling Rooney it means that we'll have 2-3 new players in the squad then that will benefit the club longterm. It might not be ideal, but we cannot and should not give out 200 grand a week to any player. We didn't give it to Ronaldo, why should we give it to Rooney?
 
Devilton said:
Letting a star players contract run so close is the real crime...he should have been offered the contract extension at the end of last season and before he went to the world cup. If we had him sealed up for 4-5 years at least the club would have some time on their hands. But now, if we don't sell in the next 6 months there is a chance he could even buy out his own contract and go for as little as 10 million.
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Seconded. This new contract strategy does not make any sence apart from the fact that we are skint!
 
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