I can see where you're coming from but it's a very firm no from me. The Glazers have become synonymous with lowered expectations at the club and we can never really get back to where we would like to be as long as they remain here.Interesting to hear if anyone out there thinks that the Glazers staying in charge might be the best option?
They seem to have finally stumbled on a decent manager and - for all their sins - have tended to back their managers in the transfer market. With the rumours of Avram Glazer being keen to hold onto the club, what happens if they raise a couple of hundred million through selling some equity in the club to give ETH a war chest for the summer?
We’ve a lot of fans (including me) who are uncomfortable with being owned by a nation state. And any private owner is going to have to raise 5 or 6 billion quid to buy the club. That’s a brutal outlay and it’s hard to see how that won’t involve more debt on the club and put us on the back foot in the transfer market.
So yeah, what are the thoughts on business as usual next season?
It could easily be a lot worse under new owners. You are right in that regard. There’s no easy solution here.Interesting to hear if anyone out there thinks that the Glazers staying in charge might be the best option?
They seem to have finally stumbled on a decent manager and - for all their sins - have tended to back their managers in the transfer market. With the rumours of Avram Glazer being keen to hold onto the club, what happens if they raise a couple of hundred million through selling some equity in the club to give ETH a war chest for the summer?
We’ve a lot of fans (including me) who are uncomfortable with being owned by a nation state. And any private owner is going to have to raise 5 or 6 billion quid to buy the club. That’s a brutal outlay and it’s hard to see how that won’t involve more debt on the club and put us on the back foot in the transfer market.
So yeah, what are the thoughts on business as usual next season?
I am one of those who prefer to keep the Glazers and have argued against new owners on many occasions and in many threads.Interesting to hear if anyone out there thinks that the Glazers staying in charge might be the best option?
They seem to have finally stumbled on a decent manager and - for all their sins - have tended to back their managers in the transfer market. With the rumours of Avram Glazer being keen to hold onto the club, what happens if they raise a couple of hundred million through selling some equity in the club to give ETH a war chest for the summer?
We’ve a lot of fans (including me) who are uncomfortable with being owned by a nation state. And any private owner is going to have to raise 5 or 6 billion quid to buy the club. That’s a brutal outlay and it’s hard to see how that won’t involve more debt on the club and put us on the back foot in the transfer market.
So yeah, what are the thoughts on business as usual next season?
Mate, been to Stockholm lately? I hear it’s a great city.Interesting to hear if anyone out there thinks that the Glazers staying in charge might be the best option?
They seem to have finally stumbled on a decent manager and - for all their sins - have tended to back their managers in the transfer market. With the rumours of Avram Glazer being keen to hold onto the club, what happens if they raise a couple of hundred million through selling some equity in the club to give ETH a war chest for the summer?
We’ve a lot of fans (including me) who are uncomfortable with being owned by a nation state. And any private owner is going to have to raise 5 or 6 billion quid to buy the club. That’s a brutal outlay and it’s hard to see how that won’t involve more debt on the club and put us on the back foot in the transfer market.
So yeah, what are the thoughts on business as usual next season?
Well that’s my sense too. Especially if their influence was diluted somewhat by other board members. A new board with fan reps, football people and some Glazer presence might be an improvement. Really it’s down to how the club is run (I.E.not as a cash cow), as long as it’s not a nation state, which of course would be another level of worse.Rather them than becoming a sportswashing project.
Mate, been to Stockholm lately? I hear it’s a great city.
Just to give you a friendly reminder, since 2006 we’ve been sucked out of around 3b pounds through debt refinancing and dividends. Haven’t had 1 pound reinvested in our infrastructure, and every pound we spent on players and managers was the clubs money to spend anyway. Please read this a couple of times till you fully grasp what this means for us. If you only see the number 3b as what we lost, you’re missing the point of strategic reinvestment completely. We sit here 3b down, without any infrastructure investment. So after investing this would out as at a 4,5-6b punds in red due to the feking Glazers. Haven’t even mentioned the titles etc we missed out on winning due to all above, but you could add another 0,5b there no biggy as its almost 20 years. And finally, how many fans do you think we lost out on in the last 10 years? (Meaning young kids who grew up in this period)
At this point, I’d take anyone other and then worry about first world problems such as morality etc. Just because they struck gold with ten Hag doesn’t change anything here, if it does for you,well… you’re just easy to please. I’d take North Korea at this point, scratch that, I’d take Satan himself before the current useless parasitic pieces of shite.
I am one of those who prefer to keep the Glazers and have argued against new owners on many occasions and in many threads.
From my opposition to state/dictator (backed, linked, whatever) ownership, to the rational question of business logic and ROI expectation on any acquisition of the club, I fail to see how change in ownership could come without either selling our souls, or plunging into austerity and value-extraction for years to come.
If people think Glazers' dividends and debt repayments were bad, wait to see what loan payments on £5-6bn deal would be.
Even if it is not a LBO, no business person would just burn money on the club without a plan to get returns ASAP. That's just not how things work.
I see most posters and fans as incredibly naive when it comes to Manchester United, the business.
The problem with Glazers staying is that we know the club is running on fumes right now and we need capital injection. There are strong rumours that minor share could be sold for significant capital but that would come with more fiscal pressure and am not certain if it will make things better or be more like Barcelona's "levers".
In any case, let's win today, celebrate Ole's birthday and get back to worrying and arguing tomorrow!
GGMU!
wtf!At this point, I’d take anyone other and then worry about first world problems such as morality etc. Just because they struck gold with ten Hag doesn’t change anything here, if it does for you,well… you’re just easy to please. I’d take North Korea at this point, scratch that, I’d take Satan himself before the current useless parasitic pieces of shite.
You highlighted that part of my post, really? Wasn’t the ending more highlight worthy?wtf!
When you say morals are a first world problem you lose all sense of credibilityYou highlighted that part of my post, really? Wasn’t the ending more highlight worthy?
Debt is fine though, issue with an LBO is the debt is loaded onto the asset. Boehly has raised a huge amount of debt (more than we have) but Chelsea aren’t liable for it.
I am one of those who prefer to keep the Glazers and have argued against new owners on many occasions and in many threads.
From my opposition to state/dictator (backed, linked, whatever) ownership, to the rational question of business logic and ROI expectation on any acquisition of the club, I fail to see how change in ownership could come without either selling our souls, or plunging into austerity and value-extraction for years to come.
If people think Glazers' dividends and debt repayments were bad, wait to see what loan payments on £5-6bn deal would be.
Even if it is not a LBO, no business person would just burn money on the club without a plan to get returns ASAP. That's just not how things work.
I see most posters and fans as incredibly naive when it comes to Manchester United, the business.
The problem with Glazers staying is that we know the club is running on fumes right now and we need capital injection. There are strong rumours that minor share could be sold for significant capital but that would come with more fiscal pressure and am not certain if it will make things better or be more like Barcelona's "levers".
In any case, let's win today, celebrate Ole's birthday and get back to worrying and arguing tomorrow!
GGMU!
Which in itself shows a massive problem. It's not just on the field, we've also been run completely incompetently off field and financially. While the Glazer's may not have been making those decisions themselves, they were the ones who hired the people who were and then kept them in that job despite years upon years of incompetence.It's not like we're not spending money, we have the highest wage bill in the league and by some distance:
1. Manchester United – £222,984,000
2. Chelsea – £169,720,000
3. Manchester City – £163,060,000
4. Liverpool – £141,782,000
5. Tottenham – £101,344,000
6. Arsenal – £85,490,000
7. Leicester City – 78,780,000
8. Aston Villa – £75,232,000
9. West Ham – £70,160,000
10. Newcastle United – £62,610,000
11. Crystal Palace – £59,180,000
12. Everton – £43,120,000
13. Wolves – £38,310,000
14. Fulham – £37,610,000
15. Southampton – £35,380,000
16. Bournemouth – £32,044,000
17. Nottingham Forest – £28,590,000
18. Brighton – £28,340,000
19. Leeds United – £17,300,000
20. Brentford – £15,240,000
But Rooney is full of crap.But the puritanical element that I can see are now looking at ways to lynch Wayne Rooney for the audacity of having a different opinion, have always been wrong too.
Interesting to hear if anyone out there thinks that the Glazers staying in charge might be the best option?
They seem to have finally stumbled on a decent manager and - for all their sins - have tended to back their managers in the transfer market. With the rumours of Avram Glazer being keen to hold onto the club, what happens if they raise a couple of hundred million through selling some equity in the club to give ETH a war chest for the summer?
We’ve a lot of fans (including me) who are uncomfortable with being owned by a nation state. And any private owner is going to have to raise 5 or 6 billion quid to buy the club. That’s a brutal outlay and it’s hard to see how that won’t involve more debt on the club and put us on the back foot in the transfer market.
So yeah, what are the thoughts on business as usual next season?
But Rooney is full of crap.
1) Glazers didn’t sign him
2) The worse of Glazer austerity was under SAF, during Rooney’s peak years. Rooney was the most outspoken player in the mid 00s. Asking SAF “what’s the plan” “we should sign Ozil” to finally making the transfer request in 2010 because the club lacked ambition
That doesn't make the prospect of new owners any brighter.They aren’t going to stay forever, their end game is to sell. Keeping the Glazers is just a slow downward spiral until they sell anyway.
The business under the Glazers is just protecting an asset, no short, medium or long term plan and that’s why club is in the state is in. That’s not going to change however much longer they stay which given the state of the finances won’t be long whatever happens with this current sale process.
1000 times better than becoming a sportswashing play-toy for a dictatorship regime.Are we getting the Manc Red Devil and Gold Trafford back to tell us all how the debt is actually good for the club again?
That doesn't make the prospect of new owners any brighter.
The fact that I will die some day doesn't make me more eager to die today.But there will be new owners at some point whether people like it or not. The only alternative to it happening now is the Glazers cling before selling anyway.
The Glazers aren’t going to suddenly have a plan, they can’t borrow significant money and won’t put their own in. There is no argument about them staying because they can’t and won’t last much longer.
Feckin hell. Didn't know it was this bad...
The fact that I will die some day doesn't make me more eager to die today.
I agree with the last bit but that doesn't change my sentiment about the sale.That’s jot applicable, death is guaranteed, so is what the Glazers will do. Who the next owners will be and what they will do is unknown.
Worth remembering as well if the people you don’t want takeover the only ones to blame are the Glazers. They have no issue about who they sell to and that’s not going to change.
The Glazers would be far preferable than Qatari state-sponsored ownership for me personally. I would have to stop supporting if Qatar took over, certainly stop attending games. I just couldn't do it in good conscious. I don't understand the moral gymnastics people here are doing here when they say they'd be disappointed if Greenwood was brought back, but welcome the Qatar state in. To me that's a clear and obvious contradiction. I doubt I'd be able to completely stop supporting/following cold turkey but certainly with Qatari ownership each successive win just becomes increasingly hollow so it would happen eventually anyway. I don't like the Glazers and nearly anyone would be preferable so it's a shame it's come to this really.
More importantly to me, a few members of my family who I attend games with are likely on their way out soon. I'd like to continue attending games with them as long as possible as it's our tradition.
Do you already apply that in your everyday life though?. There’s no point giving up on Utd and then going and doing your shopping at Sainsbury’s for instance.
It’s very difficult to know where to draw the line, I wasn’t particularly excited about the World Cup due to it being in Qatar but once it started I gradually forgot about everything surrounding it.
I don’t want Qatar to take over but if they do I would just get on with it, I’m not currently boycotting anything and everything to do with Qatar and wouldn’t be going forward.