It was because the press were absolutely frothing at the mouth when we were winning matches using counter attack, I remember watching post match commentary for a game we’d won that spent the entire time criticising Ole for not playing “the united way” he was getting absolute pelters for almost an entire year, the next season he tried to adjust to a more possession based system, but we just didn’t have the players for it and we were being embarrassed against canon fodder again, that along with the Ronaldo situation killed him here
Best manager to suit our current squad.
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It was because the press were absolutely frothing at the mouth when we were winning matches using counter attack, I remember watching post match commentary for a game we’d won that spent the entire time criticising Ole for not playing “the united way” he was getting absolute pelters for almost an entire year, the next season he tried to adjust to a more possession based system, but we just didn’t have the players for it and we were being embarrassed against canon fodder again, that along with the Ronaldo situation killed him here
To answer the question, any fecker except the current incumbent.
It doesn't matter what manager we get, we can't expect him to turn water into wine (turn Rashford/Antony into footballers).
The lack of work ethic from a local lad in Rashford is disgusting, half these "stars" need to piss off.
The lack of work ethic from a local lad in Rashford is disgusting, half these "stars" need to piss off.
He’s sexy but I’m not sure if he is a top manager, I don’t think he got Barcelona challenging did he?
David Healy.
I cannot believe I'm saying this but David Moyes to the end of the season wouldn't be the worst option, he'd at least firm us up and make us harder to beat, then leave graciously in the summer.
I was delighted when we sacked him. Shows how far we've fallen.
It's depressing.
I was delighted when we sacked him. Shows how far we've fallen.
It's depressing.
Won la liga with them
Emery, but we wouldn't be able to get him till the summer.
Won the league with them didn't he? But ye not too sure he's all that
There seems to be two types of seasons in La Liga, one where one of the big two is really really good and they go on to win La Liga and CL and one where the league is won by the team that is less bad. Xavi's La Liga win was more of the latter. His team did not show a sustainable style of football that demonstrates great coaching by any stretch. They relied on a ridiculously good defensive record which was a fluke by the looks of it when you see how bad they were defensively in his second season. The main problem with Xavi though is just how he couldn't handle the pressure emotionally. He fell out with players, blamed everyone and complained about everything and everyone, resigned, reversed that decision and then got sacked. He really showed he was too emotional to handle a struggling team. You could argue that the environment at Barcelona was the worst for someone like him and his past there but you still conclude that he really didn't show enough tactical acumen and temperament to get a big job.
They won the league under him 18 months ago.
I think Frank has shown he's an adaptable, pragmatic type, but it's way too early and probably even wrong to label Iraola that way. He has a small team pressing very high quite a lot, and is getting good results. He'd hopefully make us more compact, but not more defensive or safe or pragmatic.
Would Terzic be worth a punt? Took Dortmund to the CL final last season and is available.
Would Sir Alex come out of retirement and earn himself a 2nd statue outside of Old Trafford?
Dortmund are the Spurs of European football. They somehow managed to lose the league the season before last and then finished 5th last season. No team manages to claw defeat from the jaws of victory like they do. I am not sure how much that can be blamed on him as they have been the same under every manager since Klopp but he surely did not help.
Now that's a shout
Does anyone know who's the oldest manager in the history of English football?
I’d give Zidane a go if he’d want it. Would have immediate respect from the players.
ETH. Frauds deserve fraud
Ruud.
Im not up on my la liga clearly. Thanks
He didn't get a lot of credit (rightly or wrongly) because they were quite low scoring and spent a lot of money.
They also got knocked out in the Champions League group stage and lost to us in the Europa.
I want Amorim, I think he'd get a tune out of the squad and judging by how Gyokeres is performing especially Hojlund.
This. I’d drag my testicles through broken glass for us to hire him.
Emery for me but I suspect he'd rip it to pieces again.
As I do most new manager's coming in.
As I do most new manager's coming in.
He reminds me of Benitez. Tactically brilliant but just not suited to the biggest jobs where he is expected to be the protagonist. He is comfortable in that tier below like Sevilla and Villa where he doesn't work with big profiles and under the pressure you get at the biggest clubs. Rafa was the same with his best work at Valencia and a Liverpool side that was considered and rightly so as underdogs to us and Chelsea.
ETH.
Every manager realises certain players aren't good enough for the top level. We just sack the manager. Atleast INEOS are giving the manager more loyalty than the players this time.
They had a good summer window of getting rid of poor players and signing decent ones.
I'd like to see ETH stay this season and we have one more summer of the overhaul. Irrespective of where we finish this season league position wise. Top 4 is probably already gone realistically.
Changing the managers just absolves the players for repeated failures. I can't bear to see players like Rashford and Shaw kill off another manager.
We all know we need a starting calibre left back to complete the defence. We all know we need one more winger that starts ahead of Rashford, Antony and Diallo. We also know the midfield needs Casemiro and Eriksens places in the squad replacing, potentially Bruno too in the summer.
If INEOS thought it was a no brainer to get a new manager in they would have already done so. I think they know the attack doesn't have enough goals in it.
Every manager realises certain players aren't good enough for the top level. We just sack the manager. Atleast INEOS are giving the manager more loyalty than the players this time.
They had a good summer window of getting rid of poor players and signing decent ones.
I'd like to see ETH stay this season and we have one more summer of the overhaul. Irrespective of where we finish this season league position wise. Top 4 is probably already gone realistically.
Changing the managers just absolves the players for repeated failures. I can't bear to see players like Rashford and Shaw kill off another manager.
We all know we need a starting calibre left back to complete the defence. We all know we need one more winger that starts ahead of Rashford, Antony and Diallo. We also know the midfield needs Casemiro and Eriksens places in the squad replacing, potentially Bruno too in the summer.
If INEOS thought it was a no brainer to get a new manager in they would have already done so. I think they know the attack doesn't have enough goals in it.
I understand that counter attacking football won't get us the top trophies but this obsession with 'system' managers who rely on a swashbuckling style of football is killing us. We haven't been playing that style of football from before SAF retired. There's no one at Carrington (players, coaches, fitness people etc) who can handle an attacking style of football which is the reason why there's absolute chaos both on the pitch and out of it (injuries etc). That means that every single time we revert back to counter attacking football which is a problem considering that these system managers have no idea how to utilize it.
We need to have experienced senior people who sees this transitioning as a process. That include hiring people (the manager, his coaches, fitness people, medics, recruitment people etc) that can sustain that transition. United should also set some ground rules in terms of transfers. We should aim for young players, who have an attitude to work hard on the pitch and are not injury prone. I always fount it baffling from ETH that on one hand he plays this spartan style of football/training only to then expecting us to sign old players such as Casemiro and Eriksen + injury prone players such as Mount and Mazraoui. Its evident that such a thing will only spell trouble.
Let's cut this crap shall we? This squad is so Eredivisie that we might as well start speaking Dutch. Shaw is never available (alongside Eredivise Malacia) and Rashford is being played out of position is being substituted whenever he gets some sort of tempo. This manager spent some 160m on forwards whose goalscoring ability makes Heskey look like prime RVN.
I haven't watched the last three games as the Villa game was the last straw for me. I was bored to death watching that game and decided I can't subject myself to anymore of this torture. Have had a bit of time to reflect and I think as badly as we need a manager to get some positivity going & uplift everyone, the squad we have assembled is utterly mediocre.
Both, the remnants of previous regimes and the gbp 600m of dross (Only Yoro gets a pass as he hasn't kicked a ball yet) ETH has accumulated is not good enough to produce consistently good results. When we fire ETH, we surely will get a new manager bounce, the players will give a little extra and there will be more clarity from whatever muddled tactics ETH has them playing, but things will revert to mean very soon as the squad is simply not good enough. It's not a top 4 level squad in a season where the other contenders are on their game. We can maybe get top 4 in an off year for Chelsea or Liverpool or both and when another team is like Villa is not pulling above it's weight but this squad cannot do it in a normal season.
The biggest problem at this club the last XI-XII years has been it's recruitment and player contracts. We lost our way when Sir Alex and Gill called it a day and haven't recovered since. Woodward was an oaf who wanted to become the next Perez but failed miserably and dragged the club down. Murtough (despite the hagiographies written on the Caf) and Arnold continued on the Woodward legacy...actually went one step further...and gave an incompetent hipster from the Eredivise keys to the kingdom and allowed him fill the squad with average players. The new guys came in the with the "best in class" promise but bungled first on the managerial decision, which may only have short term consequences, but made blunders on player recruitment and contracts like the previous buffoons. The result is that now we have squad of mediocre players getting paid top dollar which is not good enough either in defense, in midfield or in attack.
In defense:
- We have four FB's, three of them are injury prone and the fourth is Dalot.
- The only CB with a bit of pace we have is a 19 year old who has been injured since the pre-season. Maguire, Evans and De Ligt are the slow and definitions of mediocrity. Yes, they can play well in the odd game. However, the question that we need to ask ourselves is whether any of them can be part of a consistent team which challenges for the two big trophies? The answer is no. Martinez has rabid fans, so I won't comment on him and let some pest take that one part and hijack what I am trying to say in the rest of the post.
In midfield:
- Again we are seriously lacking. Our hope rests on a 19 year talent who has a lot to grow. Our only passer is the guy who was benched by the manager but has had a second coming (no pun intended) because no one else we have can pass the ball competently. Casemiro is on his last legs and Ugarte is not the player we needed. The team was crying out for a deep lying playmaker and instead we got a deep lying foulmaker.
In attack:
- Maybe the most overrated part of the team. We don't have a legitimate striker/goal scorer. I don't know why we got Zirkzee, Hojlund (see Martinez) and Rashford has lost all his confidence. Garnacho and Amad are young players with potential but don't shout answers on the wings for a consistent team.
All in all, what I want to say is that we do need a manager, may be yesterday; however, it's not going to change our fortunes much unless we can get our recruitment right. We need better players from the top to the bottom and unless we are able to raise the ceiling of the squad we are going to remain this Yo-Yo club that gets top 4 on a new manager bounce and other teams not doing well but can't do it consistently.
Both, the remnants of previous regimes and the gbp 600m of dross (Only Yoro gets a pass as he hasn't kicked a ball yet) ETH has accumulated is not good enough to produce consistently good results. When we fire ETH, we surely will get a new manager bounce, the players will give a little extra and there will be more clarity from whatever muddled tactics ETH has them playing, but things will revert to mean very soon as the squad is simply not good enough. It's not a top 4 level squad in a season where the other contenders are on their game. We can maybe get top 4 in an off year for Chelsea or Liverpool or both and when another team is like Villa is not pulling above it's weight but this squad cannot do it in a normal season.
The biggest problem at this club the last XI-XII years has been it's recruitment and player contracts. We lost our way when Sir Alex and Gill called it a day and haven't recovered since. Woodward was an oaf who wanted to become the next Perez but failed miserably and dragged the club down. Murtough (despite the hagiographies written on the Caf) and Arnold continued on the Woodward legacy...actually went one step further...and gave an incompetent hipster from the Eredivise keys to the kingdom and allowed him fill the squad with average players. The new guys came in the with the "best in class" promise but bungled first on the managerial decision, which may only have short term consequences, but made blunders on player recruitment and contracts like the previous buffoons. The result is that now we have squad of mediocre players getting paid top dollar which is not good enough either in defense, in midfield or in attack.
In defense:
- We have four FB's, three of them are injury prone and the fourth is Dalot.
- The only CB with a bit of pace we have is a 19 year old who has been injured since the pre-season. Maguire, Evans and De Ligt are the slow and definitions of mediocrity. Yes, they can play well in the odd game. However, the question that we need to ask ourselves is whether any of them can be part of a consistent team which challenges for the two big trophies? The answer is no. Martinez has rabid fans, so I won't comment on him and let some pest take that one part and hijack what I am trying to say in the rest of the post.
In midfield:
- Again we are seriously lacking. Our hope rests on a 19 year talent who has a lot to grow. Our only passer is the guy who was benched by the manager but has had a second coming (no pun intended) because no one else we have can pass the ball competently. Casemiro is on his last legs and Ugarte is not the player we needed. The team was crying out for a deep lying playmaker and instead we got a deep lying foulmaker.
In attack:
- Maybe the most overrated part of the team. We don't have a legitimate striker/goal scorer. I don't know why we got Zirkzee, Hojlund (see Martinez) and Rashford has lost all his confidence. Garnacho and Amad are young players with potential but don't shout answers on the wings for a consistent team.
All in all, what I want to say is that we do need a manager, may be yesterday; however, it's not going to change our fortunes much unless we can get our recruitment right. We need better players from the top to the bottom and unless we are able to raise the ceiling of the squad we are going to remain this Yo-Yo club that gets top 4 on a new manager bounce and other teams not doing well but can't do it consistently.
So Sean Dyche then?
Mourinho, Tuchel, Conte, Emery, Inzaghi.
One could argue that changing the players absolves the manager for repeated failures too.
Klopp would finish top 3 with our squad..We NEED someone with extremely good man-management, because there is talent in this squad. Someone to light a fire under these lazy bums. 10H , you can´t even bare to watch this guy in pressconferences, imagine him in the dressingroom...
If you genuinely think ETH is on the same level as Emery then you're out of your damn mind. Far superior coach.
I think under a good manager we'd look night and day.
Look at Villa under Gerrard. Appoint Emery and the impact is instant.
We have a far more talented squad than what Emery inherited.
Look at Villa under Gerrard. Appoint Emery and the impact is instant.
We have a far more talented squad than what Emery inherited.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Think we should just go for interims until a class act comes available (Alonso?) Whoever takes over now inherits a huge load if issues.
I just have to believe at this point there are managers out there who would love to work with this squad and can get a tune out of them.
Someone brave enough to come in and make decisive decisions that we probably question at first. People have mentioned flick at Barca who with the same squad has got them completely rolling.
Nobody is looking at Madrid right now (and I’m not for a second saying our squads are equitable) and thinking god these players are shit, but there would be a manager who could come in and turn the form around if car lo is unable to do it.
We’ve had shit managers and we’ve had shit players but there will have been managers out there over the last decade who would have made us competitive and I still believe that now.
Arne slot came out of virtually knowhere and has got Liverpool singing when everyone assumed after klopp there would be a downturn, so it is possible.
Someone brave enough to come in and make decisive decisions that we probably question at first. People have mentioned flick at Barca who with the same squad has got them completely rolling.
Nobody is looking at Madrid right now (and I’m not for a second saying our squads are equitable) and thinking god these players are shit, but there would be a manager who could come in and turn the form around if car lo is unable to do it.
We’ve had shit managers and we’ve had shit players but there will have been managers out there over the last decade who would have made us competitive and I still believe that now.
Arne slot came out of virtually knowhere and has got Liverpool singing when everyone assumed after klopp there would be a downturn, so it is possible.
Would love Emery