Sure, but it looks far sillier. Honestly the keeper could have saved it with head instead of catching it.
Talking about catching a penalty, that rarely happens, and Madrid keeper did it twice yesterday.
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Talking about catching a penalty, that rarely happens, and Madrid keeper did it twice yesterday.
90% is well off. Statistically, outside of totally missing the target of course, it's the lowest success rate for scoring penalties, in the middle at chest height that is, you'd be lucky if it was 60%. Aiming too high in the middle is also statistically proven to be the most common way of totally missing the target too.
Going down the middle, as well as with pretty much minimal power, is just a hilariously bad decision in penalty taking unless your reactions are simply another level, Silva didn't let the keeper show any kind of movement, it was a diabolical penalty. I'd tell you this if it went in too, just as I would with any panenka that is scored and looks like a lovely deft chip over a diving keeper.
I don't think the keeper is getting enough credit.
Silva is taking a penalty after Madrid missed so there is big pressure on the keeper to do something and it's as "safe" as a penalty gets in a CL shootout for Silva with the insurance of Madrid's miss. Usually, a keeper will be bouncing around and commit heavily to a side in that situation.
To just stand there and call Silva's bluff like that was very ballsy.
Silva is taking a penalty after Madrid missed so there is big pressure on the keeper to do something and it's as "safe" as a penalty gets in a CL shootout for Silva with the insurance of Madrid's miss. Usually, a keeper will be bouncing around and commit heavily to a side in that situation.
To just stand there and call Silva's bluff like that was very ballsy.
Just not true. Here are some stats based on all penalty shootouts in World Cups and Euros - Going down the middle with just enough height to clear the keeper's legs is statistically the best place you can put a pen. 94% chance of going in:
The keeper only stands in the middle of the goal 3% of the time. The worst (on target) penalty you can take is basically the Kovacic one, where you aim for a corner and get nowhere near it.
https://www.thestatszone.com/archiv...penalty-shootouts-where-to-place-your-penalty
It wasn't a Panenka to be fair - he didn't dink it, just side footed it.
Usually if you're going down the middle you should put a bit of power behind it, but yeah most of the time that still goes in because the keeper has dived.
Just not true. Here are some stats based on all penalty shootouts in World Cups and Euros - Going down the middle with just enough height to clear the keeper's legs is statistically the best place you can put a pen. 94% chance of going in:
The keeper only stands in the middle of the goal 3% of the time. The worst (on target) penalty you can take is basically the Kovacic one, where you aim for a corner and get nowhere near it.
https://www.thestatszone.com/archiv...penalty-shootouts-where-to-place-your-penalty
Interesting stuff, but did his penalty actually fit in that middle box, from watching it again its higher, like head height. And slightly to the side. Somewhere near the 78.9, 60, 80, 94.4 join.
Also I reckon penalties down the middle are often absolutely blasted, rather than casually hit like his.
This - it looks stupid when it fails, but statistically it's your best bet (on a one-off basis).
That said, there is a game theory component to it too. If you keep shooting it the same way every time, it won't be as effective since keepers will do their homework and anticipate it (as was the case last night).
I can't believe you would use a video of a penalty in a west ham v man united game and not choose the Julian dicks penalty.
His wasn't really down the middle. I only really remember Julian Dicks for this.
Not even a card.
Yeah, it's possible it might not be perfectly in the middle box, but bear in mind that the ones at the edge of the goal include misses that were aimed there (so the 60.9,%, 80%, 60% for high middle squares include the ones that were blasted over the bar in those areas). Silva's was definitely on target.
That's also why the top corners have relatively average success rates. Of course if you actually hit them it's 100%.
Ah that makes sense. I do think he stands a better chance if he blasts it. He's so casual I think the keeper has too much time to react. If you run up and leather it the keeper has less time to make a decision and even if it's almost straight down his throat he's got less chance of saving it (partly due to reaction and also due to him having less time to make a decision).
He’s lucky the worst pen ever was like three days ago
At least Budimir had 3 broken ribs. What's Bernardo's excuse?!?!
What is it with Croatian pen takers 
I thought Lunin had a good game overall. The commentary was making it out like he was Donnarumma with his indecisiveness in the box but at the very least he dealt with everything. It wasn't the most commanding but there was a quiet assurance in his actions throughout the game. The penalty saves sealed it.
Whilst he hasn't got enough credit, it's probably the best for him to stay under the radar and keep performing that way.
Just not true. Here are some stats based on all penalty shootouts in World Cups and Euros - Going down the middle with just enough height to clear the keeper's legs is statistically the best place you can put a pen. 94% chance of going in:
The keeper only stands in the middle of the goal 3% of the time. The worst (on target) penalty you can take is basically the Kovacic one, where you aim for a corner and get nowhere near it.
https://www.thestatszone.com/archiv...penalty-shootouts-where-to-place-your-penalty
This Vox video is based off all world cups and has his spreadsheet in the description, even taking into account the vide spacing of the older analysis at Stats zone, I find it very odd how wildly different they are, even with the wider spacing options from the stats zone and taking into account the Euros. There was another article that took into account more than just big tournaments and just a dude with analysed every penalty he could find ever, but I can't find that, probably ancient and outdated, but it essentially suggested a panenka in theory is a dreadful choice. This and the statszone are realistically, in the grand scheme of football penalties, miniscule sample sizes. I just looked a few up... and they all kind of say different things... basically you can't stat your way to a penalty win
That kick will haunt him for a long time.
From @FotbollHistoriker
Bernardo Silva on the difference between Man City’s matches against Liverpool and Arsenal:''
“Perhaps because Liverpool has already won the EPL and Arsenal hasn’t. Liverpool, at that time, had also won a UCL, while Arsenal hasn’t. Liverpool always faced us head-on, to win matches. From that perspective, our games against Arsenal haven’t been like the matches against Liverpool were, and still are!”
Bernardo Silva on the difference between Man City’s matches against Liverpool and Arsenal:''
“Perhaps because Liverpool has already won the EPL and Arsenal hasn’t. Liverpool, at that time, had also won a UCL, while Arsenal hasn’t. Liverpool always faced us head-on, to win matches. From that perspective, our games against Arsenal haven’t been like the matches against Liverpool were, and still are!”
He is so annoying, a bigger moaner than Bruno.
He has looked past his peak for a while. Am surprised Pep has amassed so many over the hill midfielders.
He has looked past his peak for a while. Am surprised Pep has amassed so many over the hill midfielders.
We haven't won a title....
Third highest league winners and more than this guys plastic club has cheated its way to win. Not to mention the titles his club has robbed Liverpool off and he has the gall to mention them.
If there was any justice this guys plastic team would be in league 2.
Won't shed a single tear for any of City's greedy players who took brown envelopes to come this soulless club.
Third highest league winners and more than this guys plastic club has cheated its way to win. Not to mention the titles his club has robbed Liverpool off and he has the gall to mention them.
If there was any justice this guys plastic team would be in league 2.
Won't shed a single tear for any of City's greedy players who took brown envelopes to come this soulless club.
What he means is during his time you haven't really been challengers and Liverpool have, but you're all being precious cause the discount-Atletico football you try and play when the going gets tough is gonna cost you again.
Silva is right, Liverpool have the balls to go toe to toe with anyone and you guys don't (which your games at Spurs and yesterday prove).
Yes one game at Spurs where we missed our entire midfield proves that amd being ten men against a state run team also proves that.
But then again it's a poster who's defending corruption by a team probably the worst in England's history so asking you to have some sense is too much.
To add Liverpool despite the firepower only won once in 7 years at City.
But Partey has played 90 minutes in every game this season?
Ah yes, me openly as a City fan saying I think they're guilty is defending them. You've got full Arsenal fan tv mate, just read the posts. Take a breath, you got a good result playing shite football. Also Arteta does it often.
You were outshot at City, Spurs, Villa, Atalanta and Brighton admittedly tough games, but teams that want to win things take games by the scruff of the neck and you guys just don't.
You've had more shots than the opposition in exactly one game this season (Wolves at home).
All the rest had more shots and chances, it is what it is. You are a defensive team and downright cowardly in tough games. It can work particularly in cup football but in the league it won't work and Arteta is gonna have to fix it to get you over the line but you're all too busy stomping your feet and yelling you aren't paying attention.
I don't even dislike you guys (the team) or Arteta, I think he's a bit of an overthinker and worrier like Pep just on a lower level. Pep used to consistently throw stuff away by overthinking at City and Arteta does it at Arsenal.
The guy played "You'll never walk alone" during training to prepare for Anfield, and hired pickpockets to teach your team to be alert. Mike Basset, Ted Lasso stuff.
I never fail to find it amusing when players complain about teams defending just because they didn’t win a game.
He’s spot on.
And an absolutely flawless bit of gooner baiting, even if he wasn’t. The frothing and gnashing of teeth from them in this thread and the Arteta one is a joy to read.
I mean apart from being factually incorrect, he's spot on.
We get avariation of the same tiring "only one team played football" line nearly every time a game doesn't go city's way. Which at least is factually correct, if you add "without breaking 115 rules just to not be a championship side" on the end
I bet you'd warm to Bernardo if he joined Arsenal.
Fascist sympathiser Gabriel Jesus and erstwhile 'Brown Envelope FC' coach Arteta more than welcome at the authetic Emirates, sponsored by Vist Rwanda, despite their contribution for the UAE government.
Good scrap yesterday when Arsenal lost the plot. They've mostly been a dirty club when successful, so good to see the real Arsenal again.
Sort of.
He’s spot on about Arteta’s Arsenal being much more negative than Klopp’s Liverpool. His theory that this is because Klopp felt less inhibited after already winning major trophies is, obviously, speculation but makes sense to me. And, if anything, he’s being kind to Arteta when he says that.
Obviously this triggers Arsenal fans (and you, weirdly). Which I’m enjoying.
I'm not triggered by it but you're reading sense where there isn't any. Its just the same boring line from City players as we'e had multiple times in the past, including on multiple occasions when we've beaten them.
They had over 50 minutes vs 10 men and barely scraped a draw. That's on them not Arteta.
Arsenal fans are always easy to wind up because they go OTT every time they win more than two games in a row and then inevitably cock it up.
He’s setting himself up get absolutely trolled for the rest of his life by rabid Arsenal fans if the 115 charges are in any way proven.
Never got the idea of why teams aren’t apparently allowed to sit back and counter City. Their style’s weakness has always been to frustrate them and counter, that’s why Ole had such success in random games and how we beat them in the final. I guess possession teams are fortunate this current era everyone is trying to play out from the back and everyone commits men into the press.
This has nothing to do with the charges. You'd swear City were the first team whose players talked like this. Sir Alex and United players did it loads, I mean even Jose brought the "park the bus" saying to English football and not because of how his teams played but whilst complaining about the opposition. Allisson literally said it just last week about Forest.
They've cheated to win, but you regularly start a certain midfielder every week.
Arsenal have, in my opinion, some of the most insufferable fans. He’s had a little dig and will get hounded by them now, especially if titles get stripped etc. because of what he’s said specifically.
I like the banter personally but with what is happening at City right now re the hearing, I’m saying he’s left himself open to getting abuse by online trolls forever now.
Sorry misunderstood, I think Bernardo loves a bit of hate to be honest. The man spent all his time winding up Pool fans. I don't think he cares.
I love him but he's a proper wum. When Liverpool finally won the title he got tagged like over 1000 times by Pool fans on twitter.
Nothing wrong with sitting deep and countering but Arsenal made no attempt whatsoever to complete the second part of that equation as soon as they went down to 10 men. So deserve a bit of stick IMO. Those stats about no PL player ever completing zero passes only for two Arsenal players to do it in the same game shows what an extreme outlier their approach was.