Bernardo Silva | Bouhafsi - 70m Euros, 5 year contract. Going to City CONFIRMED

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pocco said:
Ok, I'm not sure if you're being serous now because there is only one of these two that can be compared to Iniesta and it isn't Lemar. And why does it take him playing for France to prove this? He's had all season and it's been Silva and others that have caught everyones attention. Not saying Lemar isn't good or anything like that, but he's not looked in the same bracket as some of the others.
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For the Monaco's fans, Lemar is better and for the peoples who know the football as well.

Bernardo Silva has been in Monaco for 3 years. That's way too much for a so-called crack. He played with Martial and Carasco but he stayed while the other 2 left...

If bernardo silva comes it's because he has the same agent as Mourinho ...

The same people who think that Silva is better than Lemar are the ones who thought that Morrison was going to make a better career than Pogba or that Ben Arfa was going to be better than Benzema ... deluded

Lemar is more complete, higher football IQ and he did a far better season than Silva !
 
Zoo said:
More encouragement with France Football talking about a bid.

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Anyone tell me if this guy is similar to Modric with his dribble and ball control style?

It would be nice to have someone who can both discourage the oppo press with fantastic ball control and turns and keep possession in attack rather then trying to run through players only to bounce the ball off there shins and loose possession
 
Jib said:
For the Monaco's fans, Lemar is better and for the peoples who know the football as well.

Bernardo Silva has been in Monaco for 3 years. That's way too much for a so-called crack. He played with Martial and Carasco but he stayed while the other 2 left...

If bernardo silva comes it's because he has the same agent as Mourinho ...

The same people who think that Silva is better than Lemar are the ones who thought that Morrison was going to make a better career than Pogba or that Ben Arfa was going to be better than Benzema ... deluded

Lemar is more complete, higher football IQ and he did a far better season than Silva !
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That statement makes no sense. The players you've mention all play different position and the ones that made it can be considered the lesser talented whilst those that didn't have known poor attitude. Benzema made it but he was not as highly rated as Jeremy Menez, was that obvious too?
 
Jib said:
For the Monaco's fans, Lemar is better and for the peoples who know the football as well.

Bernardo Silva has been in Monaco for 3 years. That's way too much for a so-called crack. He played with Martial and Carasco but he stayed while the other 2 left...

If bernardo silva comes it's because he has the same agent as Mourinho ...

The same people who think that Silva is better than Lemar are the ones who thought that Morrison was going to make a better career than Pogba or that Ben Arfa was going to be better than Benzema ... deluded

Lemar is more complete, higher football IQ and he did a far better season than Silva !
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Out of curiosity, did you ever watch Morrison and Pogba for our u18s/u21s?
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Anyone tell me if this guy is similar to Modric with his dribble and ball control style?

It would be nice to have someone who can both discourage the oppo press with fantastic ball control and turns and keep possession in attack rather then trying to run through players only to bounce the ball off there shins and loose possession
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Check out the gif in this post for an example of his ball control..

José Mateus said:
Damn, I think I will never get over the fact of him not having a chance at Benfica... What a waste

He was a class above all else at Benfica B. There are many jaw-dropping gifs, but I'll stick to this one

http://www.abload.de/img/bernardo1lzajk.gif
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don't sign old players said:
I get the impression that Lemar is the most important player they've got.
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How so? They have top quality players in a number of positions. All have had a huge part to play.

I suppose it's like when Ronaldo was leaving us and a lot convinced themselves that Rooney was the one they would rather keep anyway. So obviously wrong, but you get an attachment to the less sought after player that is still good but may stick around longer.
 
Could someone who's following French football write a decent analysis about his style, strengths and weaknesses. Is he a reliable performer, who would you compare him to? How do you see his suitability to PL and our team, would he fit right in? I hope that whoever we sign would have pace and power among other attributes.

I've seen only like 5 Monaco games this season and clearly that's not enough to really get to know the player.
 
pocco said:
How so? They have top quality players in a number of positions. All have had a huge part to play.

I suppose it's like when Ronaldo was leaving us and a lot convinced themselves that Rooney was the one they would rather keep anyway. So obviously wrong, but you get an attachment to the less sought after player that is still good but may stick around longer.
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He has the pace to exploit spaces in behind, and to break quickly from midfield in possession, and makes some nice assists. Whether he's the most important one or not, that's just the impression I get. It's not like I've watched him a million times. I don't see much difference between him and Silva in terms of influence. One tends more to the left and the other to the right. They form the link between midfield and attack. Lemar just seems to be involved quite often when they score.
 
I've only watched him twice, one against city where he was amazing and really had a great game, beating players and setting up chances. The other game I saw was Monaco against Dortmund where he was ok but a bit quiet, in that game it was clearly the Mbappe show.
 
pocco said:
I strongly disagree but time will show who is right.
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Today, they are at the same level, that's barely a discussion. Bernardo Silva is hyped but Lemar is not only as important but also as good technically and has been very consistent. If it wasn't for Lemar Monaco wouldn't be in CL this season and if it wasn't for the trio Lemar, Fabinho and Bernardo Monaco wouldn't be champions.

There isn't much between the three of them.

Edit: And he has nothing to do with Malouda.
 
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From what I've seen of the two, I actually think Lemar is better and more of what we need.
 
Bwuk said:
From what I've seen of the two, I actually think Lemar is better and more of what we need.
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You think we need an hybrid CM? PSG could do with him, a midfield three Rabiot-Verratti-Lemar would be great.
 
JPRouve said:
Today, they are at the same level, that's barely a discussion. Bernardo Silva is hyped but Lemar is not only as important but also as good technically and has been very consistent. If it wasn't for Lemar Monaco wouldn't be in CL this season and if it wasn't for the trio Lemar, Fabinho and Bernardo Monaco wouldn't be champions.

There isn't much between the three of them.

Edit: And he has nothing to do with Malouda.
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I have to agree with you. I like Lemar too. His technique is superb. I'm not sure about his dribbling ability though, don't think he has the close control that Silva has (Not saying it is bad, it's still pretty good), but he is quicker (in my eyes atleast). His end product is also unparalleled.
 
Woodzy said:
We could sign Griezmann and Silva and I'd still find a way to be disappointed when another club signs someone like Mbappe or Sanchez.
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Would you rather gamble 120 million on Mbappe instead of signing proven players?
 
Jib said:
For the Monaco's fans, Lemar is better and for the peoples who know the football as well.

Bernardo Silva has been in Monaco for 3 years. That's way too much for a so-called crack. He played with Martial and Carasco but he stayed while the other 2 left...

If bernardo silva comes it's because he has the same agent as Mourinho ...

The same people who think that Silva is better than Lemar are the ones who thought that Morrison was going to make a better career than Pogba or that Ben Arfa was going to be better than Benzema ... deluded

Lemar is more complete, higher football IQ and he did a far better season than Silva !
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Silva will only sign because he has the same agent as Mourinho.

And you have the cheek to accuse somebody of delusion :wenger:
 
A wonderful player, would love it to be true. Him and Grizzy would be jizz worthy.
 
Ijazz17 said:
I have to agree with you. I like Lemar too. His technique is superb. I'm not sure about his dribbling ability though, don't think he has the close control that Silva has (Not saying it is bad, it's still pretty good), but he is quicker (in my eyes atleast). His end product is also unparalleled.
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Lemar doesn't have Bernardo's acceleration but the close controls are the same, they even have the same dribbling technique. They are not like for like though, Lemar really is a central player while Bernardo is comfortable on the wide and centrally.
 
NK86 said:
Newcastle never came close to battering us. We ran the show and won 3-0 comfortably. We just took the foot off the gas after that.

However I have no idea why we abandoned the system after that. That part you did get right.
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We took them by surprise and thanks to a numerical advantage in midfield (vs Newcastle's 4-4-2) we completely dominated them for 15 minutes, scoring twice.

Newcastle switched to a 4-5-1, we lost our advantage in midfield and they battered us for the next 40 minutes until Fergie abandoned the diamond in favour of a 4-5-1 to stop our fullbacks getting so exposed. We never saw Ferguson deploy the diamond in the Premier League again.

Match report here:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/10...ons-diamond-forces-newcastle-to-change-shape/

Narrow formations like the diamond and Christmas tree are still seen with regularity in Serie A, where the pace is gentler, but you don't often see them outside of that context. It was discussed on the Cafe in 2014:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/why-did-sir-alex-ferguson-stop-playing-the-4-4-2-diamond.385041/

Anyway, we have veered dangerously off-topic, so I will leave it there.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Anyone tell me if this guy is similar to Modric with his dribble and ball control style?

It would be nice to have someone who can both discourage the oppo press with fantastic ball control and turns and keep possession in attack rather then trying to run through players only to bounce the ball off there shins and loose possession
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He has a similar style to Isco but he is probably a little bit faster. He plays so elegantly that he even makes a simple pass look beautiful.
 
Maradona10 said:
A wonderful player, would love it to be true. Him and Grizzy would be jizz worthy.
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Surely it's one or the other? Griezmann + Silva would easily set us back by 150 m. Silva also plays in a position where we are already stacked. DM has to be the highest priority this window.
 
Bwuk said:
When I've seen him he's played on the left I think.
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He doesn't really play on the left, he leaves the wing to Mendy and play a good dozen of meters inside.
 
JPRouve said:
Lemar doesn't have Bernardo's acceleration but the close controls are the same, they even have the same dribbling technique. They are not like for like though, Lemar really is a central player while Bernardo is comfortable on the wide and centrally.
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Fair enough. In the few glimpses I had seen of Lemar, he appeared to be quicker over a distance. True about the positions though. I can see Lemar making a move to a club like Barcelona. He would be a good replacement (Although risky) for Iniesta.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Fair enough. In the few glimpses I had seen of Lemar, he appeared to be quicker over a distance. True about the positions though. I can see Lemar making a move to a club like Barcelona. He would be a good replacement (Although risky) for Iniesta.
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I think he'll join Arsenal for some reason
 
Ijazz17 said:
Arsenal are already pretty stocked in CM aren't they?
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He's not a CM though is he. Doesn't he play as an inverted winger or attacking midfielder which could replace Sanchez or Ozil
 
Can we get back on track about Silva?

Looks a very classy player and excellent close control and dribbling. He does a lot of body faints and can easily beat a man.
I hope we sign him. I'm not sure what kind fo figures are being thrown about though?
 
gica_7 said:
He has a similar style to Isco but he is probably a little bit faster. He plays so elegantly that he even makes a simple pass look beautiful.
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He is slower actually. His acceleration is good, but his top speed - hitting after 5m - is awful. Definitely not a player for counter attacking football, but great in tight spaces, which is what we need more anyway. But pretty similar to Mata, so not really worth spending a lot in my opinion. The one thing where he is clearly better is the defensive work rate, so he could probably mirror Lingard in that respect, that's the only reason i could think of, why Mourinho could be interested in him. He seems less intelligent then Mata though, less creative
 
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