Benjamin Pavard

JPRouve said:
You don't think that we will see him in the position that he has mainly played which is a position where he is better than our current options? Why?
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Because, from the reports, it sounds like he wants to play CB. That seems to be one of the key reasons he wants to leave Bayern. He might accept playing both roles for a season, at least, but then we already have 2 RBs. Whilst I agree we need an upgrade in that area, I don't think we'll be able to quickly sell one of them this window. 3 RBs is overkill, and if Pavard gets the majority of minutes in that position, then I think it might be even more difficult to sell one of AWB or Dalot next summer.

I might be totally wrong, but it doesn't sound like great planning to me. However, I'm sure EtH has considered all of this already, so if we do sign him then I'm sure he has a plan.

It will be interesting to see where he does end up playing, more than anything. I also wonder whether he'll simply choose to stay at Bayern if we can't offer him regular minutes at CB.
 
Crimson King said:
Because, from the reports, it sounds like he wants to play CB. That seems to be one of the key reasons he wants to leave Bayern. He might accept playing both roles for a season, at least, but then we already have 2 RBs. Whilst I agree we need an upgrade in that area, I don't think we'll be able to quickly sell one of them this window. 3 RBs is overkill, and if Pavard gets the majority of minutes in that position, then I think it might be even more difficult to sell one of AWB or Dalot next summer.

I might be totally wrong, but it doesn't sound like great planning to me. However, I'm sure EtH has considered all of this already, so if we do sign him then I'm sure he has a plan.

It will be interesting to see where he does end up playing, more than anything. I also wonder whether he'll simply choose to stay at Bayern if we can't offer him regular minutes at CB.
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As Fortitude mentioned several times, Pavard isn't moving anywhere to be a bench option and ETH isn't benching Varane or Martinez so if Pavard is interested in joining United there is no way he doesn't play RB first with the idea of also being the main cover as CB. The alternative makes no sense from the player standpoint, he has no reason to move from Bayern and go from starting to the bench.

PS: It's possible that he isn't even interested in joining United.
 
JPRouve said:
As Fortitude mentioned several times, Pavard isn't moving anywhere to be a bench option and ETH isn't benching Varane or Martinez so if Pavard is interested in joining United there is no way he doesn't play RB first with the idea of also being the main cover as CB. The alternative makes no sense from the player standpoint, he has no reason to move from Bayern and go from starting to the bench.
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Well then the only motivation for him to move would be to play in the EPL. He'd just be swapping his current squad position for the same one, but at United.
 
Fortitude said:
Wan Bissaka is a very good stand in or specialist we can roll out for key games or elite players in key duel games. He's a very useful squaddie to have this season. Dalot covers both LB and RB, which also gives him purpose particularly in indirect cover for Lisandro (Shaw going to CB) as Malacia then doesn't necessarily have to see the pitch.

I understand the clamour for a much better CB, but Pavard raises our right flank prospects so massively this season that he - or what is on offer - shouldn't be casually overlooked. Any CB that comes in starts on the bench and is reliant on Varane needing rotation or being injured to get games - they don't strengthen the 1st xi out the gate. Pavard does, and that's worth something in and of itself.

If the club opt for the elite CB prospect understudy this term, our RB's or even right flank, remains a massive weakness in the team, so it's a horses for courses/ pick your poison scenario on what, ultimately, you'd think is best for us. There's also the short, mid and long term gains/losses of the direction taken with the CB being a great mid and long term benefit and Pavard being the short and mid-term no-brainer given he himself would be upgraded upon further down the line, most likely.
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That's the key. I am a bit reluctant to go for short term solution here, we're not challenging for the title this season anyway with this squad so we can live with Dalot/Wan Bissaka. The question then is if we really see Pavard as long term CB at United. If yes, I'm all for it.
 
Am I the only one not too excited by this potential signing? Bayern loaned Cancelo and played Upamecano ahead of him at RB and CB respectively. Since then they have upgraded in both positions. How's his ability to play out of pressure? That's the main thing we're looking for I suppose. Offensively he doesn't offer much, does he?
 
Get him and we're closer to trophies. Typical non flashy signing but can be very important.
 
What do the analytical guys think between Todibo and Pavard?

For me Pavards ability to operate at RB likely better than the 2 we have means he might be a better option as he would also improve our starting back 4, but I don't know much about Todibo.
 
I'd be pretty pleased with this signing because of the options Pavard can give us atm thanks to his outstanding abilities on the ball. Playing RB he can take up the Dalot role and move in more centrally closer to Casemiro or as RCB rotate into positions in between the backline and midfield as we try to build up. He will aid us massively in our build up play

Though once we decide to move on from Varane, I would think we would need look for an alternative to him as first choice RCB. While he is a very competent defender there is nothing outstanding about him.
Decent pace but not rapid like some other options available, not bad aerially but not as dominant as we may be looking for with Shaw and Martinez as LCB. Looks to be a good reader of the situations arising in a game but can also make mistakes like the ones in the second half of last season (penalties in the losses against Leverkusen and Leipzig which could have been costly in terms of the league title). It'll be interesting to see how he does tbh
 
MDFC Manager said:
Well, in a day or two we'll be getting another one (Greenwood)
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Greenwood's return would be like a new signing, take away his past 17 months of doubt there is still a very good footballer in there, he could save Utd millions, but I really doubt he would play for United this season. Difficult situation to discuss.
 
Pronewbie said:
Am I the only one not too excited by this potential signing? Bayern loaned Cancelo and played Upamecano ahead of him at RB and CB respectively. Since then they have upgraded in both positions. How's his ability to play out of pressure? That's the main thing we're looking for I suppose. Offensively he doesn't offer much, does he?
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Pavard was the starter as RB, Upamecano didn't play ahead of him, no one did. They also didn't upgrade the RB position.

Pavard is comfortable on the ball and he easily plays out of pressure, he generally relies on positioning more than athleticism and offensively he is more interesting off the ball because he is surprisingly good at making runs and in particular late runs in or around the box but he is not good when it comes to carrying the ball and beat his man. His passing is good but his crossing his inconsistent, he probably went to the Sagna crossing school, sometimes it's a great cross and other times it's in the stands which is strange since he is a good passer.
 
JPRouve said:
Pavard was the starter as RB, Upamecano didn't play ahead of him, no one did. They also didn't upgrade the RB position.

Pavard is comfortable on the ball and he easily plays out of pressure, he generally relies on positioning more than athleticism and offensively he is more interesting off the ball because he is surprisingly good at making runs and in particular late runs in or around the box but he is not good when it comes to carrying the ball and beat his man. His passing is good but his crossing his inconsistent, he probably went to the Sagna crossing school, sometimes it's a great cross and other times it's in the stands which is strange since he is a good passer.
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Thanks. Didn't Bayern sign Cancelo on loan to replace him for the rest of the season? Isn't that telling that they believe it's a position worth upgrading midway through the season?
 
Pavard seems the best choice available, especially at a relatively low price, and at the right age for that new team core to be competitive for the next 3 seasons pending a couple or so additions next summer.
 
JPRouve said:
Pavard was the starter as RB, Upamecano didn't play ahead of him, no one did. They also didn't upgrade the RB position.

Pavard is comfortable on the ball and he easily plays out of pressure, he generally relies on positioning more than athleticism and offensively he is more interesting off the ball because he is surprisingly good at making runs and in particular late runs in or around the box but he is not good when it comes to carrying the ball and beat his man. His passing is good but his crossing his inconsistent, he probably went to the Sagna crossing school, sometimes it's a great cross and other times it's in the stands which is strange since he is a good passer.
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Amazing how I understood exactly what you meant by this reference, very good descriptor.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Pavard seems the best choice available, especially at a relatively low price, and at the right age for that new team core to be competitive for the next 3 seasons pending a couple or so additions next summer.
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Yeah my thoughts too
 
Pronewbie said:
Thanks. Didn't Bayern sign Cancelo on loan to replace him for the rest of the season? Isn't that telling that they believe it's a position worth upgrading midway through the season?
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Not really, Bayern lacked depth and Cancelo didn't even come close to replace Pavard, also Tuchel needs wingbacks options because he likes to use a back three and Pavard is absolutely not a wingback.
 
Pronewbie said:
Thanks. Didn't Bayern sign Cancelo on loan to replace him for the rest of the season? Isn't that telling that they believe it's a position worth upgrading midway through the season?
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No.

Cancelo either played as LB or together with Pavard (meaning Pavard as RCB, Cancelo as RWB).

Cancelo was competing with Coman, not with Pavard on the right wing. And even if he was, it was more likely to enable Pavard to replace Upamecano as CB than to replace Pavard in the team at all.
 
Borys said:
That's the key. I am a bit reluctant to go for short term solution here, we're not challenging for the title this season anyway with this squad so we can live with Dalot/Wan Bissaka. The question then is if we really see Pavard as long term CB at United. If yes, I'm all for it.
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I’m a lot more cynical regarding this potential signing than most seem to be in that he’d be used as a really good stop gap/bridge to further our ultimate ambitions, which would be an elite attacking FB and Varane’s successor. I don’t see him as a lock at either RB or CB understudy beyond the upcoming campaign. I’d then sell the surplus and Pavard becomes the first option off the bench.
 
What kind of wages would Pavard be on, compared to Todibo? I could imagine the fee + wages outlay be substantially different between two.

All that said, I prefer Pavard.
 
Lash said:
Amazing how I understood exactly what you meant by this reference, very good descriptor.
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:lol:

I don't know who else has that ability to be objectively good on the ball, a solid passer including in tight space or under pressure but completely unable to cross a ball with consistency and miss some of them in the most ridiculous ways. It makes no sense.
 
JPRouve said:
Not really, Bayern lacked depth and Cancelo didn't even come close to replace Pavard, also Tuchel needs wingbacks options because he likes to use a back three and Pavard is absolutely not a wingback.
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Any leg that he doesn't want to play RB as main reason he wants to move?

Would love it if United buy him as main RB.
 
Pronewbie said:
Thanks. Didn't Bayern sign Cancelo on loan to replace him for the rest of the season? Isn't that telling that they believe it's a position worth upgrading midway through the season?
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No, they didn't and no it isn't. There were only three games Pavard didn't start after Bayern loaned Cancelo, and two of them were due to suspensions.
 
Halftrack said:
No, they didn't and no it isn't. There were only three games Pavard didn't start after Bayern loaned Cancelo, and two of them were due to suspensions.
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Yeah I might be completely wrong but this feels like when Thiago wanted scousers for new challenge rather than Bayern pushing him out
 
If we bring in Pavard(defensively good RB who can also play CB), i feel like AWB becomes obsolete and should be sold?
 
JPRouve said:
Pavard was the starter as RB, Upamecano didn't play ahead of him, no one did. They also didn't upgrade the RB position.

Pavard is comfortable on the ball and he easily plays out of pressure, he generally relies on positioning more than athleticism and offensively he is more interesting off the ball because he is surprisingly good at making runs and in particular late runs in or around the box but he is not good when it comes to carrying the ball and beat his man. His passing is good but his crossing his inconsistent, he probably went to the Sagna crossing school, sometimes it's a great cross and other times it's in the stands which is strange since he is a good passer.
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They signed Mazroui in an attempt to improve that position, and in cases Mazroui did do well, but he had injury problems that prevented him from playing more. RB was an area where Bayern have been trying to improve because, while Pavard is good, he isn't at the top level in terms of quality there.

That being said, he's an amazing player to have in the squad. He's better than Dalot and AWB at RB and can fill in for Varane at CB. Would love him here
 
Zed is not dead said:
Pavard really can’t play inside, that’s why to me he’ll play the 3rd CB staying back to allow more freedom for our midfielders.

Also I never saw Pavard play DM, and not sure he has the qualities to do it
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Why not? He is positionally astute, reads the game well and generally makes the correct decisions. He's not Bailly in terms of throwing himself on the pitch everywhere he sees fit.

In his first season at Stuttgart he played as DM as well in some games, even right midfield. That's why he gained some buzz for his versatility and ability to cover many positions. Not saying we should be used there, mind, but he's a player that allows to be converted to a new role with new instructions - a bit like Kimmich, although of course he doesn't have the latter passing game.
 
JPRouve said:
:lol:

I don't know who else has that ability to be objectively good on the ball, a solid passer including in tight space or under pressure but completely unable to cross a ball with consistency and miss some of them in the most ridiculous ways. It makes no sense.
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He was such an odd player in that regard. Underrated probably because of how inconsistent he could be in those situations.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
What happens to lindelof ? Surely he will see his playing time go down even more with pavard coming in?
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He would play the least of the 4 CB's, but with Varane being injury prone and both form and fitness being unpredictable in the modern game, it's not impossible for a 4th choice centre back to get regular game time.
 
Andy_Cole said:
I love how people here think 27 is old haha
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His announcement video will be him coming onto the pitch on a mobility scooter, similar to those cutscenes in Gran Turismo when you buy a new legendary car and it comes out of the showroom.
 
Superunknown said:
His announcement video will be him coming onto the pitch on a mobility scooter, similar to those cutscenes in Gran Turismo when you buy a new legendary car and it comes out of the showroom.
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I thought a reply was going to be but but he’s 28 in a 8 months! And then by 2030 he’s 34! Then what? Or some shite like that.
 
Andy_Cole said:
I thought a reply was going to be but but he’s 28 in a 8 months! And then by 2030 he’s 34! Then what? Or some shite like that.
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:lol:

I imagine there's some island out there were 30 year old+ footballers get sent to live out their final days.

(Just to be clear, I'm taking the piss and have no issues with his age. I'm TeamSignHimUp)
 
Would be a masterstroke of a signing, an upgrade on Maguire, and both Dalot and Wan-Bissaka, also a ready made replacement for Varane, a quality player who is extremely versatile, he could well be our signing of the summer.
 
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