Might want to
Also if a theoretical accused were in the same condition then in theory there's also a chance neither were in a condition to give informed consent. Just a general point rather than in this case specifically.
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Might want to
Also if a theoretical accused were in the same condition then in theory there's also a chance neither were in a condition to give informed consent. Just a general point rather than in this case specifically.
Neither of those posters you quoted mentioned Mason Greenwood. One of them even says his comment isn’t about Mason. Stop getting your pants in a twist over some made up argument that exists in your head.
This is where we start to go down the never ending rabbit hole. If they cannot "clearly remember" then how would they know anything that happened? How could they make an accusation if they cannot remember?
This is why the burden of proof is on those making the allegations. And Mendy's accusers obviously did not do enough to prove their claims beyond a reasonable doubt.
Probably the same way drunk girls can still be raped? Just because they can't remember the details, doesn't mean they don't know they've been raped
What a load of shite. You’re getting yourself wrapped up in the court of public opinion, which has no bearing on reality, especially now that he’s not guilty. I get that English isn’t your first language but you can’t really believe some of the stuff you’ve written can you?
Agree. You can know something has happened to you, but proving it beyond a reasonable doubt in court is another issue altogether. It doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means you couldnt prove it happened.
Disturbing how many want to give him a free pass just because he wasn't convicted.
The worst opinion I’ve seen in a long time here.
This opinion is so, so flawed and misguided. Also would absolutely be a net-negative for women. Christ almighty.
Exactly how it should be. He wasn’t convicted and therefore has the right to live his life how he sees fit. The beauty of society with an independent judicial system, thank goodness for that.
So you like the negligible conviction rate for sex crimes?
He may be not guilty in the criminal sense but he is plainly a despicable cnut who I hope never gets employed again.
There was in this case. Which was why he was found not guilty.
It seems he's been judged for his lifestyle (the lifestyle of many a footballer - Grealish was involved is he guilty too?). Promiscuity doesn't make you a rapist as far as I know...
As has been pointed out many times, the conviction rate for cases that go on trial isn't bad at all.
I don't know where you live but typically it is below 50%, which is rubbish. Doubly so given what a small proportion actually go to trial.
I love that we have a system, which allows an accused individual to exercise their right to defend themselves or in your case express an opinion of Mendy without consequences. Isn’t that wonderful? Not everyone in the world has that privilege.
The cult of celebrity is a strange phenomenon. I can't understand it as a normal person and in this case my view on Mendy is "abnormal" because I believe he is innocent.
That's not giving him a pass @Wibble just so happens everything I heard him say whilst seeing him in prison (I was visiting someone else) turned out true.
I thought he was in cloud cuckoo land and just seemed non plussed, certain he was going to get found not guilty. I also thought he was a noob.
I don't think we can judge these people on our own values as normal people as nothing in their lives is normal, in the way it is with us.
I've heard Russel Brand say he was high and stood with his genitals out in a place and a woman walked in. He aske her to perform an act on him she refused went outside and said to some one Russell's in their wanting a BJ and another woman heard this and went in and obliged.
Robbie Williams recalls waking up in a hotel room and a cleaner asking him if there was anything she can do for him and he pointed at his genitals and she "serviced" him.
Grimy as anything for me. These women could have had cases of harassment or whatever normally but this is celeb world
That's not giving him a pass @Wibble just so happens everything I heard him say whilst seeing him in prison (I was visiting someone else) turned out true.
I thought he was in cloud cuckoo land and just seemed non plussed, certain he was going to get found not guilty. I also thought he was a noob.
I don't think we can judge these people on our own values as normal people as nothing in their lives is normal, in the way it is with us.
I've heard Russel Brand say he was high and stood with his genitals out in a place and a woman walked in. He aske her to perform an act on him she refused went outside and said to some one Russell's in their wanting a BJ and another woman heard this and went in and obliged.
Robbie Williams recalls waking up in a hotel room and a cleaner asking him if there was anything she can do for him and he pointed at his genitals and she "serviced" him.
Grimy as anything for me. These women could have had cases of harassment or whatever normally but this is celeb world
TBH I don't find a system entirely lovable that allows the vast majority of sex crimes to go unpunished.
The numbers quoted in this thread for the UK (which I also found here) are 75% in 2021, and an average conviction rate of 58% over the last 15 years. The summary also states that this is a higher conviction rate than for manslaughter, grievous bodily harm, and attempted murder.
That many don't go to trial is irrelevant when we're talking about a specific case that did go to trial.
Most people who don't know what constitutes consent think they are right. Mendy wasn't convicted legally but by his own admissions he was a moral free zone.
to be blunt I’m not interested in your point and I doubt anyone else is
when you say something that wrong nobody willl take you seriously in the debate
Even more disturbing is how many want to pass him off as guilty despite being found not guilty.
Not a perfect system for sure, but until we can read people's minds it's the best we can do.
The UK conviction rate is unusual because they charge under 2% of reported rapes (much less all sex crimes). When 80% or more of rapes also go unreported the problem is obvious and compounded.
Isn't that what many people are doing for a certain someone.
I never said he was legally guilty. That is a matter of fact. He is however someone who I hope pays for his behaviour for the rest of his life.
There are a few ways to get the conviction rate for sex crimes up:
1. Reduce rape kit backlogs
2. Ensure prosecutors are properly trained to handle such cases in the court room
3. Encourage victims to promptly report to the police, and submit evidence as appropriate
4. Create methods where cross examination can occur without victims being re-traumatized
5. Instruct juries on how imperfect testimony from victims can still be valid
See how none of that involves assuming that anyone accused of rape is guilty? Which by the way, does absolutely nothing to get conviction rates up.
With very few seemingly wanting to remain in the middle somewhere and abmit they don't know and only have feelings.... it's as if people are compelled to take a firm position at one of the extremes in any debate on here nowadays.
I really hope that isn't true.
Absolutely not, Top Lad, bantz etc. Grealish is a goodie, Mendy is a baddie.
Same as how it’s fine for Ronaldo, Evans and RvP to carry on playing and not talk about their accusations, but MG and Mendy should never play again.
There IS a worryingly low prosecution rate in these crimes, I agree with that, but there’s also other worrying prejudices in society aren’t there - and I can’t work out how it’s ok to turn a blind eye to the aforementioned while deciding the others are guilty despite literally being found not guilty and / or case dropped as with Evans, RvP and MG.
It’s one rule for one group and another for ‘others’.
Why?
Dunno. Which group are Partey and Bissouma in again?
Because each case is different and we know and have seen/ heard different things about each of them.
So what you're saying is, it's not all about the verdict.
For being promiscuous?
This is true but none of us have seen or heard all of it and some folks seem to think that only knowing part of the evidence is enough to form a definitive opinion of guilt or innocence
Of course not.
For example John Terry was found not guilty in a court of law but everyone with a brain knows that was kinda bollocks.
I always thought it was ok to be promiscuous if everyone knew where they stood. Rape is horrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but we gotta start to draw the distinction. Just like the people highlighting the distinction between innocence and not-guilty I guess.
I always thought it was ok to be promiscuous if everyone knew where they stood. Rape is horrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but we gotta start to draw the distinction. Just like the people highlighting the distinction between innocence and not-guilty I guess.
Totally agree
Nobody ever knows everything apart from the people involved in the alleged crime. Forming a opinion based on limited info is all we can do.
Ah right, you’re privy to all the details of the Evans and RvP cases and also the new evidence that equalled the MG case to be dropped. Apologies, I didn’t think these details were public.
So what’s the difference with Ronaldo and Mendy? Other than one being scrutinised in court for months and then found not guilty, and the other not being able to go to certain places in America for fear of being charged - to the point of his previous clubs at times ensuring that no matches would take place in such areas.
Why are we ok to overlook Ronaldo but Mendy should be punished for something he’s actually been found innocent of?