Ben Pearson

limerickcitykid said:
Today was the deadline as well wasn't it? Another year of players hanging around the U21s when they've spent their time there and are blocking the younger lads. Sure wtf is Grimshaw up to? May as well let him out, he got 244 minutes last season from the U19 youth league and U21s combined and this season he has 162 minutes for the u21s. Either let him out on loan or let Ben go out to open a space for Grimshaw. Sean Goss, highly rated for the u18s last year and has 45 minutes this season, how is he going to progress with that. Even Rothwell who was great last season for the u21s is getting limited playing time. When are we going to try get these lads to progress or are they just going to stick around and be called young players until they are 25?
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I'm amazed that we still haven't learnt the lesson from last season's rush deadline loan activities.Preston is a promotion-chased team though (3rd in League One) and that would even be better for them to play there than some lower Championship teams IMO.

With Thorpe and Harrop's injuries I think Grimshaw and Weir will start the next U21s match.Maybe Goss also.
 
Loans have not been working out for us well at all in recent years (Michael Keane the only exception?). I'd rather the club err on the side of caution unless a really perfect opportunity comes up. Unless they can be absolutely certain of first team football they're far better to spend the time training at United than at a lower league club.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Loans have not been working out for us well at all in recent years (Michael Keane the only exception?). I'd rather the club err on the side of caution unless a really perfect opportunity comes up. Unless they can be absolutely certain of first team football they're far better to spend the time training at United than at a lower league club.
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Well, I suppose there are a few ways to define a loan's success or lack thereof, but we've had plenty of players getting regular game-time in proper leagues over the last few years. Last season alone Johnstone, Lingard, Lawrence, Vermijl, Henriquez, Powell, Bebe and Tunnicliffe all had loans I'd file under pretty darn tootin' useful compared to the alternative.
 
Elliott said:
Well, I suppose there are a few ways to define a loan's success or lack thereof, but we've had plenty of players getting regular game-time in proper leagues over the last few years. Last season alone Johnstone, Lingard, Lawrence, Vermijl, Henriquez, Powell, Bebe and Tunnicliffe all had loans I'd file under pretty darn tootin' useful compared to the alternative.
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Certainly useful, if nothing else, in that it got them out of the way of the lads who are currently flourishing in the U21s. I remember when we had Januzaj, Pearson, Rothwell, Wilson et al all more than ready to move up from the U18s and stuck in nowhere land while Bebe, Macheda, Powell, Tunnicliffe, Henriquez and the rest put in dismal performance after dismal performance for the reserves.

(Obviously quite a few of those loans were really good for the players themselves too. Lingard and Lawrence, in particular, got great experience.)
 
Reading a PNE forum and one of them is claiming:

Giggs has pulled the plug on this one. Deal was all done and the young lad was excited about the prospect of first team football. Apparently he is gutted.

Don't have any sources as a rule but on this one it's just a case of a mates son is good friends with him. These young kids can't help texting each other!! Wouldn't be surprised though if bacon face had a hand in it though.
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There manager said that they were dealing with a few potential loans and the clubs and players just kept changing their mines so Pearson, Grimshaw and Keane could all possibly be among those.

Apparently Fergie didn't like PNE, whats that about?
 
limerickcitykid said:
Reading a PNE forum and one of them is claiming:



There manager said that they were dealing with a few potential loans and the clubs and players just kept changing their mines so Pearson, Grimshaw and Keane could all possibly be among those.

Apparently Fergie didn't like PNE, whats that about?
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Didn't they fire his son?
 
limerickcitykid said:
Reading a PNE forum and one of them is claiming:



There manager said that they were dealing with a few potential loans and the clubs and players just kept changing their mines so Pearson, Grimshaw and Keane could all possibly be among those.

Apparently Fergie didn't like PNE, whats that about?
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'A mate's son'? Ok...
 
Can't help feeling that it's a shame Fletcher keeps getting these pointless 15 minute run-outs for the senior side when Pearson's putting in performances for the U21s like he did against Blackburn. It wasn't a situation that required an experienced head to close out the match or anything - he literally just came on to give Valencia a rest and inject some fresh legs. That's of no real use to an old hand like Fletcher, who's hardly building up to starting matches what with Carrick, Blind, Herrera and Fellaini all ahead of him. But it would have been an excellent opportunity to give Pearson the experience and the chance to show what he's made of without putting the result at risk.
 
That's the sounded argument but you just know it won't happen.Pereira was ahead in the pecking order so if anything it would be him.
 
khoazany said:
That's the sounded argument but you just know it won't happen.Pereira was ahead in the pecking order so if anything it would be him.
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Different positions, surely. Pereira would have to come on for someone like Herrera, not to replace Carrick (who seemed to drop back to CB, with Smalling pushing wide to replace Valencia).
 
Brightonian said:
Can't help feeling that it's a shame Fletcher keeps getting these pointless 15 minute run-outs for the senior side when Pearson's putting in performances for the U21s like he did against Blackburn. It wasn't a situation that required an experienced head to close out the match or anything - he literally just came on to give Valencia a rest and inject some fresh legs. That's of no real use to an old hand like Fletcher, who's hardly building up to starting matches what with Carrick, Blind, Herrera and Fellaini all ahead of him. But it would have been an excellent opportunity to give Pearson the experience and the chance to show what he's made of without putting the result at risk.
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But it's not like LVG knew we were going to win that match comfortably. When we need to close out a game, Fletcher is a decent option. Of course he wasn't needed today but I'm sure he's on the bench for that reason.
 
Brightonian said:
Fair point.
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Don't get me wrong I would love to see Pearson given a chance but not sure we're going to see that any time soon. With Di Maria and our other injuries there could be a spot for Pereira or Pearson on the bench vs Stoke. But as usual unless we're winning it comfortably, probably 3-0, I don't think we will see either.
 
Gerald G said:
Don't get me wrong I would love to see Pearson given a chance but not sure we're going to see that any time soon. With Di Maria and our other injuries there could be a spot for Pereira or Pearson on the bench vs Stoke. But as usual unless we're winning it comfortably, probably 3-0, I don't think we will see either.
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It's always the case that the chances flow most freely for youngsters when the first team is in great form and getting results. Maybe with today's result in mind (and the requirement to rest players wherever possible with the hectic Christmas period coming up), Van Gaal will find space on the bench for Wilson or Pereira, and if we do manage to produce a similar result this time it will be a youngster who gets the cameo.

I suppose my particular anxiety with Pearson - as opposed to, say, Pereira - is that we haven't seen him on the bench yet and until we do we won't know whether Van Gaal is paying attention to him, rates him, or wants to give him chances in the future. Not every talent in our youth teams is going to be to LVG's taste, after all.
 
Stack said:
Time he was promoted to the 1st team, he can replace Fletch.
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I think Fletch is meant to calm down the team through the last 10-15 mins of a game and provide some defensive legwork. Which is why I don't think he'll be replacing Fletcher anytime soon.
If anything, Pereira would be the first to take up Fletcher's place in the team, he's way too good for his age group while Pearson can still improve IMO.
 
daniel9988 said:
I think Fletch is meant to calm down the team through the last 10-15 mins of a game and provide some defensive legwork. Which is why I don't think he'll be replacing Fletcher anytime soon.
If anything, Pereira would be the first to take up Fletcher's place in the team, he's way too good for his age group while Pearson can still improve IMO.
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You dont think that Pearsons ability in front of the defenders would be worth looking at? Too early for him? I see Pereira as a more forward playing player (btw I have been a Fletch fan for years)
 
Stack said:
You dont think that Pearsons ability in front of the defenders would be worth looking at? Too early for him? I see Pereira as a more forward playing player (btw I have been a Fletch fan for years)
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Perhaps! I would actually like seeing him come on when we're winning by 2-3 goal margins though.

He'll most likely go on loan next season to a championship club, especially with Pereira being chosen ahead of him in the first team bench.
 
I don't see why he can't be in and around the first team now. He has a lot qualities that can translate to the bigger stage. I rate this kid highly.
 
I would prefer him instead of Fletcher currently, at least Pearson has energy and can put in a shift when needed to close out a game. He has improved a lot in that aspect now, and I think he should be given a chance. Too bad we were knocked out of the league cup, a lot of these young players would have gotten some game time.
 
They're 7 points out of a playoff spot and 3 points out of the drop zone. I have no idea if that's good or bad.

League one makes sense, though. He only turned 20 this week. If he impresses he can get a starting season in the Championship next year.

He's probably got until Carrick retires or moves on to finish his career at QPR before we buy another pure DM along with Blind. If we do, he'll be in Fletcher's current spot as 3rd string DM and that's not going to lead to a lot of chances, presumably.
 
NoPace said:
They're 7 points out of a playoff spot and 3 points out of the drop zone. I have no idea if that's good or bad.

League one makes sense, though. He only turned 20 this week. If he impresses he can get a starting season in the Championship next year.

He's probably got until Carrick retires or moves on to finish his career at QPR before we buy another pure DM along with Blind. If we do, he'll be in Fletcher's current spot as 3rd string DM and that's not going to lead to a lot of chances, presumably.
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FFS, I read the tweet as Burnley, & the more I'm reading your post, I'm thinking wtf is NoPace on about :lol:. Clearly bedtime for me.

Pearson & Pereira (arguably even Wilson & Januzaj) could do with successful loans. Problem is most of our loans turn to shit deals for us/player.
 
Ish84045 said:
FFS, I read the tweet as Burnley, & the more I'm reading your post, I'm thinking wtf is NoPace on about :lol:. Clearly bedtime for me.

Pearson & Pereira (arguably even Wilson & Januzaj) could do with successful loans. Problem is most of our loans turn to shit deals for us/player.
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That's not true we have a lot of successful loans over the years (the players might turn out not making it but it's not the fault of the loan system) and Pearson is the type of player who would do well on loan.

I still think League One is a bit too low of his level but managers these days are very reluctant especially with a player who never played a senior game.Part of the reason why I wanted us to send him on loan earlier so that he might get a Championship loan by this time.
 
khoazany said:
That's not true we have a lot of successful loans over the years (the players might turn out not making it but it's not the fault of the loan system) and Pearson is the type of player who would do well on loan.

I still think League One is a bit too low of his level but managers these days are very reluctant especially with a player who never played a senior game.Part of the reason why I wanted us to send him on loan earlier so that he might get a Championship loan by this time.
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Yeah, agreed that a loan - especially to the Championship would be ideal. Chances are, if he goes for a PL loan, he might struggle for minutes.

I know that M. Keane, Lingard, Henriquez etc. have had successful loan spells recently (Im excluding Nani/Cleverley etc. from it because they're not young) - but over the years we've had our fair share of loan "fails" as well - especially to other PL clubs.
 
Funny that Jack Barmby got a Championship loan with Rotherham United and we can only manage to get a League One loan to Pearson.
 
Barmby is at rothwram now? He did have that loan at hartlepool though whereas Ben has no first team experience and teams may be put off by his smaller frame. A league one loan to show can do it is good for me as he should be good enough to force them to play him.
 
Good to see another product of the juice education to gain some valuable experience out on loan.
 
I can't help wondering if Pearson is one of those whole-hearted young kids that us fans love but who maybe lacks something that an experienced coach would look for. We've had a few like that over the years. Ryan Tunnicliffe probably the most recent example.

There's a good reason us fans will find an aggressive CM presence so endearing. It's been something lacking in our first team squad for years.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I can't help wondering if Pearson is one of those whole-hearted young kids that us fans love but who maybe lacks something that an experienced coach would look for. We've had a few like that over the years. Ryan Tunnicliffe probably the most recent example.
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I'm sadly in this camp. Love watching him play but he just doesn't stand out the same way Pogba,Ravel,Januzaj,Pereira,Wilson or even recently Timothy Fosu Mensah. Doesn't mean he can't make it here and I would love to be prove wrong but at the moment I just can't see it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I can't help wondering if Pearson is one of those whole-hearted young kids that us fans love but who maybe lacks something that an experienced coach would look for. We've had a few like that over the years. Ryan Tunnicliffe probably the most recent example.

There's a good reason us fans will find an aggressive CM presence so endearing. It's been something lacking in our first team squad for years.
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He's nothing like Tunnicliffe.I like him on the ball more than his aggressiveness, which might turn into rashness sometimes.
 
Yeah, his ability on the ball in terms of recycling posession and touch is probably his best attribute along with his energy.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I can't help wondering if Pearson is one of those whole-hearted young kids that us fans love but who maybe lacks something that an experienced coach would look for. We've had a few like that over the years. Ryan Tunnicliffe probably the most recent example.

There's a good reason us fans will find an aggressive CM presence so endearing. It's been something lacking in our first team squad for years.
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I thought that Person looked great when he first appeared in the u18s but his progression since then has not been what would have been hoped for. Harry Kane was loaned to League One so it shouldn't be seen as the end for Pearson as a United player, but I would be very surprised if he made it at Old Trafford now.
 
Great move for him. Should get plenty of game time!
 
Really hope it goes well for him. Would be awesome to see him make a name for himself at United.
 
khoazany said:
He's nothing like Tunnicliffe.I like him on the ball more than his aggressiveness, which might turn into rashness sometimes.
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Of course he's not "nothing like Tunnicliffe". They're both young, Manchester United central midfielders who play with a lot of energy and commitment and enjoy flinging themself into tackles. There are obvious differences but obvious similarities too.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Of course he's not "nothing like Tunnicliffe". They're both young, Manchester United central midfielders who play with a lot of energy and commitment and enjoy flinging themself into tackles. There are obvious differences but obvious similarities too.
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While all of what you write is true, I would still side with khoazany in the sense that their differences outweigh their similarities. Above all else, I think Pearson has shown a level of footballing intelligence e.g. tactical awareness, picking the right pass, etc way beyond anything Tunnicliffe ever achieved. Anyway, we shall see how it progresses with this loan, where hopefully he'll avoid injury and the bench and get some serious minutes of senior football under his belt.
 
The coaches may ask a few simple questions:

Is he big, strong, fast? No. Does he have outstanding technical abilities to compensate for the lack of these physical attributes? No.

Therefore not Manchester United quality.
 
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