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Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?


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No, I don't. Nowhere have I said that, nor have I even mentioned it. You brought it up, you seem to want to be projecting it onto me to suit your argument.


Who are these "pro-Moyes chaps"? I haven't come across very many and I certainly don't see what you describe as a hoard of "pro-Moyes chaps" anywhere on this board coming out of the woodwork to provide you with amusement.

Agreed, he didn't really have a clue about how to run a club the size of United. If you watch Rio's Oxford QnA he says one of Moyes biggest downfalls was that he made the mistake of cutting ties with every piece of delegation that Sir Alex had set up before realizing that the load he had to take on was far to much for one man. His attempt to "rebuild" was to do what is commonly described on here as "dither" (dithering Dave) for the first season and he's even said himself in interviews that he didn't see the sack coming as he was always assured that he would get the time required to "rebuild the club" the way he saw it.

Thankfully that idea was knifed from behind very early by Woodward. I did mention the stark contrast and the credibility that Van Gaal has built with Woodward. That, for me is the reason why he was not sacked this season and higher-ups didn't see that strategy as an end-solution or a quick fix for the positive. I don't really view Moyes the same way as I view Van Gaal. There is a pretty clear line of strategy in between, one man trying to continue the legacy and build slowly. One other man re-shaping the club from the ground up the way he wanted it to be shaped. I think it is shaping it for the worse and have though that from the beginning of Van Gaal's reign. But like I said, there to me is a clear and distinct line between SAF's end, Moyes short reign and Van Gaal's reign.

I completely agree with your last paragraph that Van Gaal is attempting to reshape the club the way he wants to shape it. Why any club would commission (or allow) a manager on a 3 year fixed contract to perform such a radical and expensive overhaul is what confuses me the most. 2 years in and showing no signs of improvement it has been an absolutely disastrous plan.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained continuing down this road. Identify the best man for the job, move heaven and earth to get him in and let the manager who will have to pick the team have an input into rebuilding the squad.
 
I completely agree with your last paragraph that Van Gaal is attempting to reshape the club the way he wants to shape it. Why any club would commission (or allow) a manager on a 3 year fixed contract to perform such a radical and expensive overhaul is what confuses me the most. 2 years in and showing no signs of improvement it has been an absolutely disastrous plan.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained continuing down this road. Identify the best man for the job, move heaven and earth to get him in and let the manager who will have to pick the team have an input into rebuilding the squad.


It hasn't been relatively that expensive. We've spent about 50 million net each season while slashing the wage bill.
 
No, I don't. Nowhere have I said that, nor have I even mentioned it. You brought it up, you seem to want to be projecting it onto me to suit your argument.
It's called sarcasm. Shame you didn't get it.

Who are these "pro-Moyes chaps"? I haven't come across very many and I certainly don't see what you describe as a hoard of "pro-Moyes chaps" anywhere on this board coming out of the woodwork to provide you with amusement.
So you've come across some which was my point.

Also meet this chap:

It started at the start of Van Gaal's reign.

He seems to think the "darkest timeline of United" started under LVG :lol:

Even if this dip of the last few years in fortunes for the club is to be exaggerated to be called the "darkest timeline ever", to exclude Moyes' time here is downright odd. Either it reeks of poor logic, or of bias. Moyes' tenure was when the fall from 1st to 7th happened, with standards dropping like flies and us becoming a laughing stock. I'll call LVG's time here a complete failture all year long, but he actually improved on Moyes' clusterfeck of a season by finishing 4th only to do terribly in this awful 15/16 season.
 
We take ages to decide, we tend to stick to some code of morals that may well work in a family run ironmongery but doesn't work in a corporate lifestyle
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.
 
It's called sarcasm. Shame you didn't get it.
Rightio.

My reply was merely as I explained above, that is there a distinct line between all three events that happened. SAF retirement/Moyes/Van Gaal. This "rebuild" we are going through under Van Gaal was a set and sculptured path to tailor to his rebuild strategy. (Think the Barca, Ajax type scenario) It wasn't a rebuild undertaken by somebody who knew about Manchester United and knew that the club played a certain brand of football that was synonymous in every celebrating or bitter household in England. That is why I categorize them as separate events. Van Gaal's rebuild is in his own image rather than in the clubs image.

Moyes didn't have a clue about big clubs and was nixed straight away, completely the right move and while unfortunate to lose eight months of a failed season under his tenure it didn't do any lasting damage to the club.
It hasn't been relatively that expensive. We've spent about 50 million net each season while slashing the wage bill.
I don't think net spend really applies to clubs that have astronomical amounts of revenue which don't involve business strategy requirements on recouping lost profits on player sales/acquisitions. That is my opinion anyway, we need to be making a gain on the field by signing the right players and recouping money is more part of the asset management rather than the gross gain by utilizing them on match day.
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.
:lol:
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.


Awesome :):)
 
Just shut up. To write players off at such a young age - do you even watch football?

Do you honestly think any of them will be a starting xi when our team isnt injured?

Do you think any of them would make 20 apps next year?

Do you even watch thr football? Or you're just basing everything on the euphoria of youth?

Rashford will ve loaned out next season ane vanish like macheda

Lingard will be sold to lower table team

Cbj will be back to u21 until being sold in a few years to championship

Varela will be sold next year

Tmf will probably get a year as cameo and still might get the chop
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.

Great post
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.

:lol:

Brilliant. Don't think I've seen a post with the word 'ironmonger' used so many times, but great nonetheless.
 
When you make this statement, do you mean the times he has spoken about it in press conferences? I think when he says "get third" it is an easy way for him to make a rather loose statement that the club needed to improve on last year and not an actual stipulated guideline that he must finish in third place of higher.

Not only this season but last season as well plus what Ed said last season about minimum target is top 3 for United.
Last season we got into the CL, but this season he had to improve ie challenge for the title & minimum top 3 - doubt he's going to make that.

In any case it's clear the decision has already been taken some time ago when it was obvious we were not going to challenge this season.
If LvG is still here next season whatever happens between now and the end of the season I will be totally astounded. 100% convinced he'll be gone
 
Not only this season but last season as well plus what Ed said last season about minimum target is top 3 for United.
Last season we got into the CL, but this season he had to improve ie challenge for the title & minimum top 3 - doubt he's going to make that.

In any case it's clear the decision has already been taken some time ago when it was obvious we were not going to challenge this season.
If LvG is still here next season whatever happens between now and the end of the season I will be totally astounded. 100% convinced he'll be gone

To be precise, Ed said that the club projected a top 3 finish, it was related to incomes.

Edit: The target is the CL group stage.
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.

Can't wait for the movie to come out.
 
If you think so, then that is up to you. He certainly didn't have us playing soul destroying football. He was removed quickly before he could do any real and lasting damage to the core of the club. Someone with Van Gaal's reputation for building has rather bizarrely continued to smash his spiked flag into the concrete while wondering why it isn't going in.

We made a legitimate "philosophy" detour when Van Gaal came to the club and that was made obvious by Woodward's appointment and continued support of him. Stark contrast to Moyes who floundered in shallow water and was put out of his misery quick smart.

I'll have some of whatever you were on that year mate.

That season we were tedious and all, it was my worst in almost 30 years as a United fan. We have been average/erratic/shit under LVG but at least we go into every game against any team with the hope that we can win.

Under Moyes all you had to do was look at the league table and if our opposition were in the top half, it was highly unlikely we were winning. Thats the very definition of soul destroying.
 
My reply was merely as I explained above, that is there a distinct line between all three events that happened. SAF retirement/Moyes/Van Gaal. This "rebuild" we are going through under Van Gaal was a set and sculptured path to tailor to his rebuild strategy. (Think the Barca, Ajax type scenario) It wasn't a rebuild undertaken by somebody who knew about Manchester United and knew that the club played a certain brand of football that was synonymous in every celebrating or bitter household in England. That is why I categorize them as separate events. Van Gaal's rebuild is in his own image rather than in the clubs image.

Moyes didn't have a clue about big clubs and was nixed straight away, completely the right move and while unfortunate to lose eight months of a failed season under his tenure it didn't do any lasting damage to the club.
I don't agree with your definition of "lasting impact" at all. A manager putting his own (or Barca/Bayern's) different imprint badly on the way a team plays is no more damaging than a manager who seemingly puts no imprint on the way a team plays. The end result is exactly the same - a bad implementation of ideas. And this idea that a club can only play football one way forever is also wrong. Chelsea played different football under Mourinho and different football under Ancelotti, and both did well. Real Madrid play counter attacking football, but in a few years under a different manager might a different style.

Going from comfortably champions to 7th place jokers without any style of play, giving 5 year contracts to players like Nani (then having to try and sell him), giving Rooney a mad contract which has backfired big time and all your players becoming half what they were a year back is definitely damaging, just as spending lots of money and fighting for top 4 every year is.
 
I'll have some of whatever you were on that year mate.

That season we were tedious and all, it was my worst in almost 30 years as a United fan. We have been average/erratic/shit under LVG but at least we go into every game against any team with the hope that we can win.

Under Moyes all you had to do was look at the league table and if our opposition were in the top half, it was highly unlikely we were winning. Thats the very definition of soul destroying.
Precisely. One started the fall and dropped the standards, and the other maintained standards at a very low level. There's no need to put Moyes on a higher low padestrial just because he had us playing no specific style.
 
I'll have some of whatever you were on that year mate.

That season we were tedious and all, it was my worst in almost 30 years as a United fan. We have been average/erratic/shit under LVG but at least we go into every game against any team with the hope that we can win.

Under Moyes all you had to do was look at the league table and if our opposition were in the top half, it was highly unlikely we were winning. Thats the very definition of soul destroying.
Very well put. LvG has bored the shite out of us, but The Chosen One actually damaged the club.
 
I think LVG will stay if we somehow get top 4. I really hope not but it seems likely.
 
Why would Mourinho mention July? That makes it sound like he's going for an international job, not a club position.
 
ok, so my prediction that this will all be resolved by page 211 has looked silly.

311?
 
Why would Mourinho mention July? That makes it sound like he's going for an international job, not a club position.
Contracts usually end at the end of June, so if he's under terms with Chelsea that he can't work until the end of the contract year that would make sense.
 
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