what are they meant to do? announce LVG will be sacked in the summer, like City did with Pelligrini? City were rightly criticised for doing exactly that.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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what are they meant to do? announce LVG will be sacked in the summer, like City did with Pelligrini? City were rightly criticised for doing exactly that.
And their form has disintegrated since it was announced. If that happened to United then our chances of getting into the CL would go from slim to nil.
TBH regardless of what RedIssue say (I don't believe it anyway)
There is no doubting that there are differences between members of the United board (non executive & executive) with regards to managerial appointments.
Its clear some do and some don't want Mourinho (similar to 2013), especially when Gill came out a few weeks before we hired Moyes and said that the next manager would need to have experiences winning trophies and UCL experience, and then we hired Moyes.
Also a day or 2 before Moyes being sacked Charlton doing an interview and saying Moyes will be backed.
When it suited the sewer rats Alex Ferguson was a Glazer apologist and henchman. Remember those 'insider' stories that Ferguson took money as part of the IPO so that's why he wasn't speaking out against those dastardly GLazers?. Now it suits their agenda to paint him as some malevolent outsider to the regime, plotting and scheming. It's funny how as soon as it looks as if Mourinho might be moving closer to Old Trafford suddenly these people who've been wanting to do nothing but discredit Ferguson for years due to resentment over the Glazer thing, suddenly have information that Ferguson suddenly hates Mourinho and that all their public shows of respect and private meetings and conversations they have had over the years were all just part of Fergie's 'agenda'.
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This.
You don't think it's in the Glazer's interest to keep Ferguson happy? He's an incredibly influential man and losing the support of Ferguson and Charlton in their ambassadorial roles would be a huge, huge hit to United's reputation and would be a scar on Ferguson's legacy with the club.
You make an excellent point there.
It's funny how paid journalists with actual sources in the club with actual resources to maintain these contacts and actual professional interest in using these sources to sell papers in order to maintain their own employment - have none of this information.
Some social reprobates on the internet who tweet disgusting things because they still think 'The Word' is hilarious, apparently have chapter and verse if only you paid them £15 to read it. Fancy that
It's just so transparent. When it suited them to paint Fergie as some unprincipled, money-grabbing kiss arse who'd do anything for a quiet life and he didn't want to upset his bosses they did. Now apparently he's gone from that to some evil, scheming, machiavellian character apparently revelling in the internal politics and going into battle with those who pays his wages.
To suit RedI**ue's agenda Fergie's gone from a pathetic pussy-cat 'yes-man' to someone who's so evil and manipulative he only wants United to carry on if he has control over who the manager is and suddenly has this evil 'CO92' network where he's giving 'permission' to ex-players to slag off the team. Because of course without his dastardly interventions it'd be wall-to-wall praise for our form and performances this season.
Next week pay me £15 and I'll tell you how Rio's critical tweet was actually caused by Ferguson eating babies and wanting Cathy to become the manager
Some social reprobates on the internet who tweet disgusting things because they still think 'The Word' is hilarious, apparently have chapter and verse if only you paid them £15 to read it. Fancy that
It's just so transparent. When it suited them to paint Fergie as some unprincipled, money-grabbing kiss arse who'd do anything for a quiet life and he didn't want to upset his bosses they did. Now apparently he's gone from that to some evil, scheming, machiavellian character apparently revelling in the internal politics and going into battle with those who pays his wages.
To suit RedI**ue's agenda Fergie's gone from a pathetic pussy-cat 'yes-man' to someone who's so evil and manipulative he only wants United to carry on if he has control over who the manager is and suddenly has this evil 'CO92' network where he's giving 'permission' to ex-players to slag off the team. Because of course without his dastardly interventions it'd be wall-to-wall praise for our form and performances this season.
Next week pay me £15 and I'll tell you how Rio's critical tweet was actually caused by Ferguson eating babies and wanting Cathy to become the manager
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Especially given that they haven't got a say beyond advising.
The ball is in Woody's court and his court alone, since the Glazers defer all footballing decisions to him.
Ridiculous the number of people, and especially journalists, who seem to be envisaging some kind of Mexican stand off with Glazers on one side of the table and SAF/SBC on the other, when the latter two have no voting privileges and are just ambassadors.
If the majority of people think Mourinho is the answer to all our problems then it just goes to show how desperate we've become, the guy is a walking disaster right now with way too much baggage.
Some interesting bits about Mourinho in particular(1.20) onwards from the sunday supplement.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-rejected-manchester-united-for-bayern-munich
vid is near bottom of the page.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-rejected-manchester-united-for-bayern-munich
vid is near bottom of the page.
Who do you think we should go for ?
Only valid alternative to Mourinho is Pochettino.
Would take too long with the state we are in. Fans would be fuming if he finished 5th in his first season or something. Best bet is for Mouriniho to come in, sort the squad out, get us back to winning ways. Then, Poch could come in and do his stuff with the attacking football and younger players, and would be given more time as he could inherit a better squad. That would be my plan.
I just don't understand how he's a valid alternative. Mourinho is in a whole other league in every single way.
Poch after Mourinho makes sense though.
It'd be premature to go for him based on one season that might not yet even be as great as it looks it might be at the moment.
Not really, if we are honest Allegri, Emery, Conte, Sampaoli, Simeone and others are valid alternatives, obviously some of them are probably not interested and Pochettino could be one of them.
He's hardly even a valid alternative if you were to compare them in terms of honours. He hasn't won squat.
I dont know about the rest but allegri and Conte are nowhere near Maureen. Neither pocahontas. Simeone is
Did I said that they were near Mourinho? They are valid options, Mourinho is arguably the best manager with Guardiola and Ancelotti no one is really close to them but United could sign someone else and be successful.
That question is not an easy one to answer.
What we need is someone who is going to unite the club, bring everyone and everything together and take the club forward. Every manager that gets mentioned will have pros and cons, but what's most important is the character of the man and how he deals with people. Too weak and he won't get the respect, too harsh and stubborn and he will almost instantly be resented, it's all about balance. I think Ancelotti would have been a good option but obviously that ship has sailed. I'm still leaning towards the possibility of Giggs with an experienced support staff, purely because he already has the rapport amongst many of the people already at the club, rather then someone new coming in and having to build new relations with them.
Pochettino even being mentioned just goes to show how quickly people can get behind someone if they show enough promise even if they have no track record of success.
The first major answer to our problems is a top class manager. Mourinho is the only one available.
Silly notion. Absolutely no reason he should be United manager at this point.
Could've been a nice punt if we were in a position where we can take nice punts. His name shouldn't even be mentioned right now.
I have mixed feelings about this. The italian managers are more like glorified assistant managers as issues like transfers and discipline are taken care at higher level. A person like allegri had never really dealt in specifirst in terms of transfers as he's used to work with the players the club see fit to give him.
LvG showed how important to bring someone that has an idea of the epl. Mistakes like the 3-5-2 system and the small squad wouldnt have happened ifor the manager knew the epl. However handling the pressure of winning is also important as moyes had shown.
Considering the mess we are in we need the safest pair of hands there is. Maureen is the man
But why is there this notion that it has to be a 'top class manager' to begin with? Surely it's all about being 'the right manager' if anything.
Mourinho is almost at his lowest point in management, apart from when he first started and no one really knows how he's going to perform from this moment on. He lost the support of his players, caused endless arguments with officials, staff and the media and yet somehow people still see him as the best option to take over a club that is apparently verging on a crisis and has a lack of direction. Makes no sense at all.
They are not glorified assistant managers, they are head coaches and there is nothing wrong with that and most clubs work like Italian clubs. As for the 3-5-2, there is nothing wrong except that it's a specialist formation, you can't use it with all the players.
The right manager for us is the best manager available and the best manager is the most proven. I know what you mean about him being at his lowest point, but he's still the least risk in terms of results/performances. That's all but fact.
I wanted Mourinho when SAF retired. Not because I am a massive fan of his, purely for the fact that he is a proven manager in the premier league and post Fergie, it was obvious the next manager coming in had a massive job on his hands following in the footsteps of a legendary manager.
I think Mourinho was the best manager suited to the transition at that time because he would have commanded the respect of the squad he inherited and would have in all probability continued to keep us challenging for honours while he evolved the team to his own.
I still think that Mourinho is the best available manager to come in and sort out the mess we have become. However much the nostalgic part of me would love to see Giggs get the job, I firmly believe that he should earn his managerial stripes elsewhere, and if successful, he would be welcome back at some point in the future.
We are in no position to experiment with an inexperienced manager with little or no managerial CV. We need a proven winner, with the credentials Mourinho has, and as Pep is committed to City, and Ancelotti to Bayern, He is our best bet at this time.
I think Mourinho was the best manager suited to the transition at that time because he would have commanded the respect of the squad he inherited and would have in all probability continued to keep us challenging for honours while he evolved the team to his own.
I still think that Mourinho is the best available manager to come in and sort out the mess we have become. However much the nostalgic part of me would love to see Giggs get the job, I firmly believe that he should earn his managerial stripes elsewhere, and if successful, he would be welcome back at some point in the future.
We are in no position to experiment with an inexperienced manager with little or no managerial CV. We need a proven winner, with the credentials Mourinho has, and as Pep is committed to City, and Ancelotti to Bayern, He is our best bet at this time.
Well, Fergie didn't do what was best for the club when he took the two major shareholders to court over a horse, he didn't even own.
I don't mean that as being disrespectful to Fergie but, it's true. He put greed and power above the club's interest on that occasion.
Charlton...His heart is in the right place and he does want whats best for the club but, his reasons for not wanting Mourinho are stupid and when we weigh up incidents and the behavior of people connected to the club over the last 30/40 years, his reasons don't carry much weight.
Gill....I haven't a notion what Gill is still doing here or what he even does
My point on Mourinho is that he's gone from being a manager who pretty much guaranteed success to being one who pretty much guarantees a huge amount of hassle and fall out. He fell out with many of the staff and players at Madrid, should of won the league in his first season back at Chelsea but insisted on playing a whole bunch of mind games and messing round with a consistent team towards the end of the season and failed to do so. Granted he won it the next but then said he had the Champions and trusted his players and didn't need to strengthen, then panicked at the last minute when he realised that was a massive mistake. The less said about his performances and antics this season the better because it only paints a more damning picture of the man. There is no way he is not a massive risk no matter how you look at it.
I feel like there is more of a chance of anyone else failing in a similar fashion to LVG and Moyes (ie. can never get going/don't have enough influence on players) than there is of things going tits up under Mourinho.
Mourinho has already demonstrated that he struggles to deal with pressure and negative opinion, which is exactly why I think he will be a massive risk here. He went into Chelsea, a club he was loved and adored at, yet it all turned sour for him, again. He would come here immediately under huge pressure and expectation, would want to prove himself and inevitably cause controversy along the way.
A few years ago I would of been more open to the idea, even though I still think his lack of integration and development of young players is severely lacking. Now I just think he's not worth the hassle.
Because it would stop a lot of people looking like hypocrites, especially when such people are now forced to either stop supporting United(or diminish their interest in the club as another Anti-Josean claimed) or tighten down and stand by our new manager.
As for the rest of us, we are just happy to have our first world class manager in 3 years.
I get your concerns, but I don't think we have many options that aren't total punts (insert Mourinho joke that rhymes with punt). He's the least risk for me.
I have read this about three times and I'm still not sure what you're on about?
Their hearts might be in the right place, but that doesnt mean their decisions are.
Case in point: David Moyes. Especially as Sir Bobby was in the dressing room in the 70's and saw first hand the experience of hiring an unqualified man to follow a great, long serving manager. Moyes was an unbelievably poor decision (then , now and forever), and that will count against them (not in their legacies as those are untouchable, but in getting a chance to select the next man)
Yeah, I can understand your point of view. Mourinho on paper seems the most logical and low risk option available. The problem is does it come at a cost? To me the answer is a resounding yes. Sometimes the right choice isn't always the most obvious one. People's perception changes very quickly, look at how highly rated and wanted Klopp was, now what's the view on him?
At the end of the day ( I really hate that phrase by the way) if someone comes in and does a fantastic job any negative aspects will be quickly forgotten, if on the other hand it's the reverse then they will only he highlighted even more.
Read it a fourth time.
I'm just kidding.
What I mean is that a lot of people have convinced themselves what type of managers and players United would never sign. It was like that 'United never fire their managers and will give them unconditional time'' phenomom that ran ragged during the Moyes era. Its based on some mythological , romantic scenario of what United is, which when you look back at our history, is usually proven untrue. For some , Mourinho represents that and they'll never accept him.
I hope that at least makes sense.
If he's not a valid alternative now, how is he going to be a valid alternative later? What is he going to to prove he is valid, do you expect him to win the league, f.a cup, Europa/CL with Pep in the same league?
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