Ridiculous post.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
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Ridiculous post.
Ferguson, the man with a statue and a stand named after him, is worried that a good manager might come in and eclipse his achievments? Even if that was to happen we're hardly going to knock down his statue over it
Maybe it's that they don't think Giggs is ready yet, obviously that's why he's not been appointed yet, theres no way they are allowing to continue under LVG by choice. Maybe they don't believe Mourhino is the right man after his failings with 1 of the best squads in the league, maybe their waiting till the end of the season to bring in the manager who wins the league. Poch or Ranieri.
Someone who's actually watched our matches regularly during the past few seasons. With regard to Wayne, Michael & co, I fear that many coaches (and even celebrated players who are asked for quotes about our old guard) aren't up to speed with our senior players' current form.
Hasn't he been in the premier league for the past few years, surely he would be up to speed...
Also peoples quotes are just them being nice anyway
He's been busy studying opponents and concentrating on his own team.
Well they are in for a disappointment, because they are not getting Poch, and Ranieri I would be very dubious with him, yes he has worked wonders at Leicester, but that still would not make me feel confident he could bring united success
I agree that my post seems utterly ludicrous, in fact the stuff Redissue have written seems preposterous.. like beyond belief.
But then you look at the way our club has been run recently and suddenly my post seems bloody sane in comparison.
Only the most ludicrous of explanations could be used as a way of explaining the way our club is being run at the moment.. no way in a normal situation would Van Gaal would still be here. It is clear that something is amiss behind the scenes.
I know it's crazy isn't it. I mean if you look deeper at it, the broad agreed to give Rooney a contract extension because if they didn't people would say Sir Bobby didn't want to give Rooney a chance to break his goal record and he's a fraud, also Sir Bobby fecked up in allowing Giggs to remain at UTD because he thought his hammys would go and he'd retire before he could break his appearance record. Just saying
Maybe they're sticking to their already stated plan - LVG to continue until the end of his contract and then Giggs to take over (misguidedly)
Ranieri could just as easily revert back to the tinkerman next season and have it all blow up in his face.
I know football fans can be slightly fickle, but you have to be off your bloody rocker to think that Mourinho would make people "forget" Fergie!
Absolute shame people are turning on Sir Alex and Sir Bobby now.
Drop out of top 4 and he'll be gone. His job was to progress not regress. He will not be here in the summer that's a fact. Who comes in is still up for debate
He's got plenty of time to review tape, in fact I imagine if there is some kind of deal in place he'll already be doing it.
Also, he wasn't afraid to sit JT down when he was a bit shit.
If Ferguson is really trying to block Mourinho's incoming in favor of Giggs, he's looking after his own interests rather than the club's and is open to criticism.
Not 'forget' forget.. just he would fade into the background like Busby did. Busby is still a legendary figure, but whilst Fergie was successful.. the fans were focused on what Fergie was doing, not harking back to the past.
Right now, he looms as a huge figure over the club and the likes of Moyes and Van Gaal have made us miss Fergie even more. We need to move on from Fergie in the same way Liverpool had to move on from Shankly.
It is not easy for managers like that to let go. They think that they can easily handle leaving a club behind and move on.. but having held on to power for that long, being seen as the man.. it isn't easy. It isn't a character flaw, it is human nature.
Last thing I want to do is attack Fergie.. I love the man, I'd love to see a young Fergie back at this club. I'm just saying in my opinion (opinion not fact) that he is much more likely to be looking after his own interests than someone like Charlton who is just a much more different personality. Charlton has proven in the past that he only puts the club first, he's a traditionalist yes but he isn't a man who needs to embellish his legacy..nor does he seem the type to concern himself with stuff of that nature.
Fergie openly loves his politics, he openly admires power and the control of it.. so it isn't such a big deal to assume that he could concievably find it hard to let go of any influence on what was once his 'baby'. We've seen it with other managers such as Shankly, Stein and Busby.. guys who Fergie is incredibly similar to.
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Oh yeah mate - when all's said and done, José will throw just about anyone under the bus. I worry, though, that he'll be another 'personal-project' manager; another, like Moyes, van Gaal (and even himself with Falcao) who won't be able to resist trying to improve/revive players who are past their best.
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Blimey, it's reddevil3.
I agree with Raees. I think forget is the wrong word though. I think he still wants to be relevant at the club and having Mourinho come in and have a similar iron fist to what he had, winning his way and with no homage to the work Ferguson did won't sit too well.
Is he though? Or is this all speculation?
If it is speculation then why are we shitting on the man that bought us success for 26 years and built this club into what it is today
I'm pretty sure the Falcao thing was a Mendes favour, which granted is its own issue.
You're probably right, but that's never stopped me posting rubbish.
Exactly. If not for Ferguson the vast majority of us would not have been United supporters.
think i'll chime in with the others saying this is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever read on these forums, and that's saying something
perhaps instead of all this crazy conspiracy stuff, jose has already been chosen to be the manager next season, and he just doesn't want to (or can't, because of a clause) start until the summer. giggs doesn't want to be interim again, so we're just riding the season out with lvg.
a bit more rationale than fergie being a power mad tyrant who wishes to see united continue to suffer so it makes him look good.
Hence the If.
The anti-Frogie comments would have looked ridiculous even in RAWK, let alone here.
Not seen Mourinho's home record mentioned much
I want Old Trafford to be a fortress again! I want that home record!
I want Old Trafford to be a fortress again! I want that home record!
don't ever change SteveI've currently voted "yes to Mourinho" - even though I'm not a fan of his. There are a ton of perfectly valid reasons to not want Mourinho in charge at United (if that is even SAF's stance) other than being protective of ones own legacy/interests. That's just absurd.
I've seen SAF look as pissed off as anyone up in the stands, during some of the terrible results we've suffered. This is theee United legend we're talking about. I'd be a bit less callous with some of the comments I throw his way.
I've seen SAF look as pissed off as anyone up in the stands, during some of the terrible results we've suffered. This is theee United legend we're talking about. I'd be a bit less callous with some of the comments I throw his way.
I'd rather not even consider it unless there's anything more substantial than redissue. The idea that Fergie cares only about himself rather than the club he's spent the best part of 3 decades building up from the shadows is incomprehensible to me.
Fergie deserves far more respect given the amount of joy he's given to us over the years.
F*ck redissue.
They talk about Mourinho's one terrible season like he is past it, yet look what he has done before, yet many mask Ranieri's past, but look at what he has done with Leicester now should now get him the united job. Like I say if mourinho can bring to united what he done with that chelsea inter porto etc, I see why it could not work, especially he has not got anyone at board level to fight over, hell look at how much time they have given VG in-spite of how bad he has done
Power mad, scheming Ferguson isn't a man at all. He's a shape shifting lizard and member of The Reptilian Elite. Here's a candid snap of him at a bbq over the weekend..
The hairdryer treatment anyone?
The hairdryer treatment anyone?
Lot more sensible than my post that is for sure.
Promising a top job to a novice three years in advance is incredibly bad management.
Only because the pair of em have both been unequivocally shite. That ain't Fergie's fault and no one couldn't have predicted how bad it's gone.
What even is your point? You can't blame him for what's happened. Very odd
Our board is good at this.
Ferguson deserves immense respect for what he achieved as a manager, but I think you have to separate the manager and the man.
As a professional he was almost without equal. Only a few managers in modern times have been able to combine success and entertainment, and none has been able to do it for the length of time he managed. We're never going to see his like again and his achievements look even better with each disaster we endure under the current management team.
But as a person I think he deserves scrutiny, for several reasons. The unseemly dispute over Rock of Gilbratar; the allegations (obviously never proven) of dodgy dealings with agents; the bullying of unsympathetic journalists; the regular whinging about his contract, and the fact that he claims to be a socialist yet was happy to work for a bunch of capitalist vultures.
Of course we should always be grateful for what he did at United, but that doesn't mean he's beyond reproach and any questioning of his conduct or motives is out of bounds.
What is this based on? It's quite outlandish to suggest Fergie would outright defy the Glazers on such an issue. What would their reaction be after Fergie poo pooed the idea? Get back to the drawing board and hope the next candidate appeases the big man? Bollox imo
The problem with the Red Issue info is the lack of a coherent plan at Old Trafford. If LVG was doing well, or the board had acted in a deliberate and considered manner than there would be no story or even grounds for a story.
The fact the fans have been treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed manure) of late gives stuff like this plenty of room to grow and frankly that is down to LVG and the board.
The fact the fans have been treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed manure) of late gives stuff like this plenty of room to grow and frankly that is down to LVG and the board.
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