BBC: Chelsea agree deal for Sarri to join Juventus

IrishRedDevil said:
Got to admire the way Chelsea do things. Their fans didnt warm to Sarri, and despite him winning the Europa League and finishing 3rd, he is moved on.

If he was a United manager he would have got a 2 year extension after winning the EL.
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If a United manager overperformed in the way Sarri did by securing third and winning the Europa league in his first season then I'd want him to get that extension.

The moral of this story isn't that Chelsea do things properly, it's that Chelsea are in a lot of bother next season.
 
blue blue said:
It's a bit rich some Utd fans saying Chelsea didn't make him welcome when the Old Trafford crowd were singing "you're getting sacked in the morning" during the FA cup match.
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United fans sang this? About who?
 
Dancfc said:
Levy wasn't exactly known for patience until Pochettino turned up, infact their sackings of Jol and Redknapp were pound for pound harsher than any of Roman's , you can even argue Sherwood falls into that category too given his famous win percentage he liked to remind everyone about.
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I'm talking about Pochettino.

The main point I want to argue is that repeated hirings and firings at the managerial level is not some prerequisite of success as @Skills is pushing on his world tour. It's indicative of strategic failure at the hands of ownership. And it's not a guaranteed path to success. Clubs have fired their way into the Championship and worse (see Fulham).
 
sullydnl said:
If a United manager overperformed in the way Sarri did by securing third and winning the Europa league in his first season then I'd want him to get that extension.

The moral of this story isn't that Chelsea do things properly, it's that Chelsea are in a lot of bother next season.
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Exactly. They're really dysfunctional. Can it be said they've maximized the resources available to them?

I don't see their model as sustainable by most football clubs.
 
adexkola said:
I'm talking about Pochettino.

The main point I want to argue is that repeated hirings and firings at the managerial level is not some prerequisite of success as @Skills is pushing on his world tour.
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I'm not saying it is.
It's indicative of strategic failure at the hands of ownership. And it's not a guaranteed path to success. Clubs have fired their way into the Championship and worse (see Fulham).
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This is what I'm specifically arguing against though.
 
Good for him, seems like a nice person. He can probably also get Jorginho out of Chelsea.
 
antihenry said:
So it's the club and fans' fault he decided to jump ship and join the best club in Italy less than a year after joining Chelsea? He isn't getting sacked, from what I can tell. Juve probably contacted his agent weeks earlier knowing Allegri is on his way out and Sarri understandably said yes. I can see how he prefers Juve to Chelsea but he leaves because he wants to, not because he's forced to. I'm sure going to Turin where he's almost guaranteed to win titles intead of staying at CFC with Hazard leaving and a transfer ban looming is an easy choice to make, I just don't see how he's a victim here.
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Not directly, but it’s clearly a factor here.

Why do you think Juventus contacted his agent weeks earlier? Because the writing has basically been on the wall for months. Early as February in a home game was it when the fans were chanting ‘feck Sarriball?’

You’re right - he’s absolutely getting a better deal out of this, but I genuinely do think having support would've seen him stick around. It is a bit baseless, this, but he strikes me as a principled man who wouldn’t go running without just cause. Which I believe there was.
 
Doesn't Lampard has a record for deflected goals. He can help Chelsea in that regard.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Wasn’t suited to the PL whatsoever.
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Think this is massively overstated.

First season in the Prem his team finished third. He had a not dissimilar season to Guardiola's first (in which the same stuff was said about him not being suited to the Prem) in which the team started brilliantly but faded. He also got to a domestic cup final where they only went out on penalties to the best team in the country.

The kind of football he wanted to establish can take time, very few philosophy heavy managers have been hugely successful in their first season (pep, klopp, pochettino all struggled first year) because asserting a specific style takes time, and it can also require working out which players are suited to the style and which aren't. If Sarri had another transfer window (obviously impossible with the ban) to bring in a few more players he believed would suit the way he wanted to play, I see no reason why he couldn't have been a success in England.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Not directly, but it’s clearly a factor here.

Why do you think Juventus contacted his agent weeks earlier? Because the writing has basically been on the wall for months. Early as February in a home game was it when the fans were chanting ‘feck Sarriball?’

You’re right - he’s absolutely getting a better deal out of this, but I genuinely do think having support would've seen him stick around. It is a bit baseless, this, but he strikes me as a principled man who wouldn’t go running without just cause. Which I believe there was.
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It's irrelevant why Juve contacted him, he's under contract at another club, if he doesn't want to leave, it's a non-starter. If he's such a principled man, why even entertain an offer from another club less than a year after joining Chelsea? Wouldn't Napoli fans feel betrayed by that move, too? It's only been a year since he'd left and he's been professing his love for them ever since.

So a 60 year old manager with almost 30 years of coaching experience quits the team that's just lost its best player and is facing the transfer ban to join the best club in Italy, and apparently it's all due to his feelings hurt by a handful of fans' chanting. Yeah, right. You'd think he was some teenage girl at a school dance, not a grown man who's worked his way up from the 8th level league back home dating back to 1990. I'm not even sure his English is good enough to understand what some fans shout from the stands, but even if it was the case, so what? He's so sensitive that some booing or chanting from a few dozen people at the stadium is enough to make him want to quit his job? Give me a break.

He sees an opportunity to go back to his home country and take over the best club in the league, what Italian manager would say no to that. Not to mention leaving the club that just sold its best player and can't sign any new ones. I don't blame him for wanting to leave, but there's no way it's due to some "disrespect" from the Chelsea support or the club. Let's get real.
 
antihenry said:
It's irrelevant why Juve contacted him, he's under contract at another club, if he doesn't want to leave, it's a non-starter. If he's such a principled man, why even entertain an offer from another club less than a year after joining Chelsea? Wouldn't Napoli fans feel betrayed by that move, too? It's only been a year since he'd left and he's been professing his love for them ever since.

So a 60 year old manager with almost 30 years of coaching experience quits the team that's just lost its best player and is facing the transfer ban to join the best club in Italy, and apparently it's all due to his feelings hurt by a handful of fans' chanting. Yeah, right. You'd think he was some teenage girl at a school dance, not a grown man who's worked his way up from the 8th level league back home dating back to 1990. I'm not even sure his English is good enough to understand what some fans shout from the stands, but even if it was the case, so what? He's so sensitive that some booing or chanting from a few dozen people at the stadium is enough to make him want to quit his job? Give me a break.

He sees an opportunity to go back to his home country and take over the best club in the league, what Italian manager would say no to that. Not to mention leaving the club that just sold its best player and can't sign any new ones. I don't blame him for wanting to leave, but there's no way it's due to some "disrespect" from the Chelsea support or the club. Let's get real.
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Alright, mate. It was all Sarri’s masterplan. Chelsea are innocent.
 
Skills said:
Klopp and Pep are the outliers not the rule. Guardiola's one of the top 3-5 managers of all time, and Klopp is a generational manager himself. You can't have a strategy which heavily depends on getting one of those two guys.
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Jesus fecking wept
 
Abramovitch must be giggling over his champagne. he was going to sack the guy a few weeks back - now he's rid of him and gets millions in his pocket
 
adexkola said:
It's not a crazy statement. He has credibility on both the trophies he's won, and his tactical impact on the game of football.
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It's laughable for me personally. He's one of the best coaches of his generation for sure, and he's made some very smart choices after leaving Barcelona. But to suggest he's one of the top 3 coaches of all time at this point in his career is just ridiculous. There have been quite a few succesful coaches over the last 60 years or so, wouldn't you say? He's hardly truly unique in terms of trophy haul. I know it's how football works, coaches and players are only as good as their last match, and people generally aren't capable of looking back for more than two months, but even in that context I think it's really weird to give Guardiola so much credit.

Comparing him to other current coaches out there, I've already mentioned Zidane's recent succes, and with Klopp winning the CL now, spending less money at Liverpool and not having a core of players like Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva and Kompany when he arrived, I would even argue the German has been the better coach over last three season based on Pool's revival, making back to back Champions League finals and finishing with 97 points. Though I guess maybe they should be the other two guys in that 'top 3 of best coaches of all time'.

Being Dutch all the talk about Guardiola's 'tactical impact' on the game annoys me to no end as well, he's no magical inventor of some revolutionary football style - unless perhaps kick and rush is all you've ever seen in your life. I said last year that half of all Eredivise coaches could make a team play like Guardiola does, right after City were knocked-out against Liverpool, and people didn't agree with that. A year later Ajax offered the perfect example. And then since I'm enjoying my little rant, why do the people who drool over Pep's magical tactical impact never mention a guy like Luis Aragones? He was winning the Euro's with a truly magical Xavi and Iniesta, before Pep even worked with them. Same for Del Bosque, surely he's one of the top 3 managers of all time as well?
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Think this is massively overstated.

First season in the Prem his team finished third. He had a not dissimilar season to Guardiola's first (in which the same stuff was said about him not being suited to the Prem) in which the team started brilliantly but faded. He also got to a domestic cup final where they only went out on penalties to the best team in the country.

The kind of football he wanted to establish can take time, very few philosophy heavy managers have been hugely successful in their first season (pep, klopp, pochettino all struggled first year) because asserting a specific style takes time, and it can also require working out which players are suited to the style and which aren't. If Sarri had another transfer window (obviously impossible with the ban) to bring in a few more players he believed would suit the way he wanted to play, I see no reason why he couldn't have been a success in England.
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Ok. I don’t agree but hey.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
It's laughable for me personally. He's one of the best coaches of his generation for sure, and he's made some very smart choices after leaving Barcelona. But to suggest he's one of the top 3 coaches of all time at this point in his career is just ridiculous. There have been quite a few succesful coaches over the last 60 years or so, wouldn't you say? He's hardly truly unique in terms of trophy haul. I know it's how football works, coaches and players are only as good as their last match, and people generally aren't capable of looking back for more than two months, but even in that context I think it's really weird to give Guardiola so much credit.

Comparing him to other current coaches out there, I've already mentioned Zidane's recent succes, and with Klopp winning the CL now, spending less money at Liverpool and not having a core of players like Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva and Kompany when he arrived, I would even argue the German has been the better coach over last three season based on Pool's revival, making back to back Champions League finals and finishing with 97 points. Though I guess maybe they should be the other two guys in that 'top 3 of best coaches of all time'.

Being Dutch all the talk about Guardiola's 'tactical impact' on the game annoys me to no end as well, he's no magical inventor of some revolutionary football style - unless perhaps kick and rush is all you've ever seen in your life. I said last year that half of all Eredivise coaches could make a team play like Guardiola does, right after City were knocked-out against Liverpool, and people didn't agree with that. A year later Ajax offered the perfect example. And then since I'm enjoying my little rant, why do the people who drool over Pep's magical tactical impact never mention a guy like Luis Aragones? He was winning the Euro's with a truly magical Xavi and Iniesta, before Pep even worked with them. Same for Del Bosque, surely he's one of the top 3 managers of all time as well?
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You're getting quite worked up over this. It's not controversial to consider Pep one of the top managers of all time. In fact he's probably one of the least controversial names you could put forward. Whether you agree with that or not is fine and that's entirely up to you, but to get worked up about the suggestion as if he's David Moyes or something is a bit silly. I could find a plethora of quotes from players he has worked with lauding him as a phenomenal coach; even Ibrahimovic who despises him personally commented that he could not fault him as a coach.
 
BobbyManc said:
You're getting quite worked up over this. It's not controversial to consider Pep one of the top managers of all time.
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It does make for an interesting contrast to the underyling point I feel @Skills has been making on here a lot, which is basically (and perhaps I'm misunderstanding) that managers aren't even that important. Except when they're Guardiola I guess...

Seriously though, unless you've started watching football in 2008, surely it is in fact quite controversial to consider Pep one of the top three or top five managers of all time? I mean, I can understand why plenty of people have felt over the last years he's the best manager at the moment. Favourite manager I can also see, he's quite a stylish bloke and many people claim to be inspired by him as well as the idealistic style of football he lets his teams play.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Seriously though, unless you've started watching football in 2008, surely it is in fact quite controversial to consider Pep one of the top three or top five managers of all time? I mean, I can understand why plenty of people have felt over the last years he's the best manager at the moment. Favourite manager I can also see, he's quite a stylish bloke and many people claim to be inspired by him as well as the idealistic style of football he lets his teams play.
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Not really, no. And of course it comes with the caveat that 'all-time' does not truly mean in the entire history of football as of course it's impossible to compare what the likes of Guardiola and Ferguson have achieved with what someone was doing in the 1910s, for instance. It's basically saying 'the best within most people's living memory'. If you're making the argument that Guardiola is a controversial choice, I'd have to ask who would you not consider controversial?
 
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Being Dutch all the talk about Guardiola's 'tactical impact' on the game annoys me to no end as well, he's no magical inventor of some revolutionary football style - unless perhaps kick and rush is all you've ever seen in your life. I said last year that half of all Eredivise coaches could make a team play like Guardiola does, right after City were knocked-out against Liverpool, and people didn't agree with that. A year later Ajax offered the perfect example. And then since I'm enjoying my little rant, why do the people who drool over Pep's magical tactical impact never mention a guy like Luis Aragones? He was winning the Euro's with a truly magical Xavi and Iniesta, before Pep even worked with them. Same for Del Bosque, surely he's one of the top 3 managers of all time as well?
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It's your last paragraph that resonates with me, as I just have to smile when people fawn over Guardiola and truly seem to believe he's some inventer of a particular football.

A great coach for sure, but the hype is at a level beyond all reason most of the time. What I do know, he needs to get back in the game regards the champions league now. His failure at Bayern to get to a final is being repeated at Manchester City, and it isn't going to do his ridiculous reputation much good to go another season without getting his current team further than the quarter finals.

As for Sarri, he had a good season culminating in him winning his first trophy, good for him, he deserved it, The fans of other teams competing for top four should be happy to see him go. The way he was treated by Chelsea fans was ridiculous, they come across as a classles entitled group. Sarri moves onto better things, they will likely move onto Frank Lampard, a crazy risk.
 
Don't think he was particularly bothered by the fans chanting shite so much as the club's lack of support

Either way, his first game at san paolo will be...interesting :lol:
 
duffer said:
Hope he does well there. Shame he didn't really click at Chelsea but I won't miss those Kovacic for Barkley subs.
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Is that a bit unfair?

Klopp and Pep didn’t click first season. Obviously for Sarri it would have been harder without Hazard but he did need more time.

He did a decent job and I’m not sure hiring Lampard especially without Hazard is the right call.
 
Pretty indifferent, really. Not sad to see him go but wouldn't have been bothered if he had stayed.

Think the inevitable Lampard appointment will be a mistake, though.
 
Will be interesting to see how he'll use Ronaldo in his tactics. Also for a team that its main target is to win CL now he'll be up for a big challenge to deliver what Allegri couldn't.
 
Bojan11 said:
Is that a bit unfair?

Klopp and Pep didn’t click first season. Obviously for Sarri it would have been harder without Hazard but he did need more time.

He did a decent job and I’m not sure hiring Lampard especially without Hazard is the right call.
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I meant that he didn't click with Chelsea personally. He would've had more time if he wanted it but he didn't.

I don't have any bad feelings at all for him leaving us to Juventus but that's what happened, he choose to go.
 
duffer said:
I meant that he didn't click with Chelsea personally. He would've had more time if he wanted it but he didn't.

I don't have any bad feelings at all for him leaving us to Juventus but that's what happened, he choose to go.
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Who do you want to replace him?
 
its been stated by Sarri and our own press release he wanted to go to be closer to his parents and return back to Italy. Especially for their well being. If that is his main factor for going then no matter how we treated him, he would have still chosen to go. It's a simple thing to grasp. He hasn't taken the Juventus job simply because some of our fans boo him, or sing abuse at him. Otherwise he is in the wrong profession and needs to be a bit more thick skinned, and is jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire with Juve.


He chose to go and manage Juventus, the biggest side currently in his homeland and to be nearer his elderly parents and family. Thats why he has gone, nothing to do with fan treatment. It's that simple

Never was convinced he was the right man for Chelsea, but cant knock his first season to be fair. His problems are stubbornness and arrogance. Tedious tactics/subs, too


Morris and Lampard return is absolutely nailed on now, be done within a week i reckon.
 
I don't understand why Juventus gets rid of Allegri, what more do they expect out from him? He won them 5 Scudettos in a row, 4 Coppa Italia in a row, 2 Supercoppa Italiana, CL finalist runner-up, 2 quarter-finals. Tactically, he is one of the best and he's done a brilliant job since he took over from Conte. Seems like a very classy manager, never fall out with the players. If Juve think that Sarri can win them the CL just because he won the EL with Chelsea, they are in for a rude awakening. Sarri is a good manager but he is nowhere near the level of Allegri.
 
Lampard as a manager, Hazard leaving and transfer ban, however it won't be crazy for me to see Chelsea finishing ahead of us again anyway.
 
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