Yeah I'd say so. You HAVE to punish that error. Unacceptable.
Bayindir HAS to start the next game. [SPOILER]He didn't[/SPOILER]
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To be honest I’d start Heaton if he’s fit as he’s a steady keeper, no frills and anything fancy but does the basics well and is good enough on the ball under pressure to not fall to pieces like De Gea would do.
The pass was bad, yes that's true. But why are people blaming him for goals 1 and 2?
Not blaming him for goal 1 but you could argue he's to blame for goal 2.
We were chasing the game after going a man down and pushing too many men forward to try and win the game. If Case hadn't got sent off, we wouldn't be doing that and see out the game and maybe get the winner.
Onana maybe shit.
But did you forgot the Sevilla game last season.
Isn't this guy more in the mould of a De Gea keeper but not as good?
This guy is even worse! Give Vitek a go
He's shown that with other players like Antony. His guys are golden
Are you ignoring the criminal mistake that led to the Casemiro red card and essentially gave us no chance in the game?
De Gea got almost all of his criticism because of mistakes. I tried to give the benefit of the doubt but Onana is providing a similar number of mistakes just without the high level of goalkeeper that De Gea at least provided.
If we drop Onana now, we may aswell sell him in January (not saying if that's necessaily a bad/good thing). His confidence will never recover.
Always worth remembering how poor De Gea looked at times in his first season. He had a defence that was mostly pretty good still.
Always worth remembering how poor De Gea looked at times in his first season. He had a defence that was mostly pretty good still.
Trouble is he should, but so should bruno and rashford but they wont.
Them three dropped would be a dream come true.
Them three dropped would be a dream come true.
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I've no issue saying what is a clear Onana error but there's people saying he should save 1 and 3 which just seem ridiculous.
No he really doesnt.
You cant drop a goalkeeper everytime he makes a mistake.
I know Onana’s been shite. But he’s our best keeper still.
You cant drop a goalkeeper everytime he makes a mistake.
I know Onana’s been shite. But he’s our best keeper still.
Yes but De Gea was how old back then? 20-21?
Agree on this. No point in sticking to gungho on "his player" when you just let the best shot stopper go (this is another serves us lot the fans right for years of abuse on DeGea).
ALong that line, drop rashford, and stop playing a midfield man on the defense. Bring back Williams, owh yeah thats another youth we've shipped out (albeit on loan). For our fans no one is good everyone is shite.
ALong that line, drop rashford, and stop playing a midfield man on the defense. Bring back Williams, owh yeah thats another youth we've shipped out (albeit on loan). For our fans no one is good everyone is shite.
Mad we could have Heaton and Evans starting at the weekend. Have we gone back to 2008?
He is. Heaton should start.
Nah he’s not at fault for the goals. Maybe a better keeper could have saved them but I wouldn’t consider them errors.
He still takes most of the blame for the loss either way.
Has to be.. I can't watch this Onana again. He's as bad as they come , and ETH is to blame for buying him .. he's a fecking liability. And the winner what's he doing just stay up he makes it easy for the striker..
At this rate I rather play Maguire as GK than Onana.
Not the slightest, remotest, tiniest chance of this. Onana plays until he's injured regardless of what happens. If we're in a relegation battle he'll still play every minute.
Seriously unfair on Barthez that they're being compared.
Seriously unfair on Barthez that they're being compared.
Totally agree. I didn't expect Onana to be anywhere near as bad but he's been atrocious. Absolutely shouldn't be starting right now
A poor man's Barthez.
Barthez was a superior shot stopper and superior at organizing his box. Can't say who is the better distributor, don't really recall Barthez's passing and whatnot. Both have the per game clown moment in them, be it from lack of concentration, bad decision making, or whatever.
Barthez was a superior shot stopper and superior at organizing his box. Can't say who is the better distributor, don't really recall Barthez's passing and whatnot. Both have the per game clown moment in them, be it from lack of concentration, bad decision making, or whatever.
That's honestly mad
Why is it mad? We were a man down because of him and we could have easily got ourselves back into the game the we way we were playing with 11 on the pitch. His mistake changed everything.
Do we really expect him to be any good??
Get on the phone to DDG and grovel.
Get on the phone to DDG and grovel.
I don't think Bayindir exactly came with rave reviews, that's the problem. In the long run you are probably going to need to get Onana playing better to have any joy this season.
Not sure what the best thing to do is. I think it depends on Onana's personality on how he is best managed. Do you try and play him into form and take on the risk of more brainfarts, or is he better reminded that he needs to refocus and this isn't acceptable, maybe for a few games? Dunno, awkward decision.
Not sure what the best thing to do is. I think it depends on Onana's personality on how he is best managed. Do you try and play him into form and take on the risk of more brainfarts, or is he better reminded that he needs to refocus and this isn't acceptable, maybe for a few games? Dunno, awkward decision.
110% agree.
We had 10 men and were chasing the game and ended up too stretched which lead to goal 3.
The ironic thing is DDG still doesn't have a club.
A cynic would say DDG was expecting this and was hoping for a call back
I hope he’s laughing his ass off.The ironic thing is DDG still doesn't have a club.
A cynic would say DDG was expecting this and was hoping for a call back
I think it might be worth taking Onana out of the firing line for the weekend. There were rumours Bayindir was going to start tonight
Fergie done it to De Gea, albeit De Gea was young, at the start of his United career.
Fergie done it to De Gea, albeit De Gea was young, at the start of his United career.
I don't follow him but seems like he is as bad a choice as Onana. Not sure why would we even get him.
I missed the times when we had a reliable De Gea as number 1 and very good number 2 in Romero. Now seems like we need to score at least 3 or 4 goals to win a goal because the backline will leak another 2 to 3 dogshit goals.
I missed the times when we had a reliable De Gea as number 1 and very good number 2 in Romero. Now seems like we need to score at least 3 or 4 goals to win a goal because the backline will leak another 2 to 3 dogshit goals.
I'd rather see Mary Earps in the team than Onana.
I’d play Heaton.
Onana won't be dropped because then it's an admission of an astonishing fecking mistake by Ten Hag in the transfer market to begin with, letting our keeper go on a free and spunking 50m on someone worse is sackable on its own merit, particularly alongside signing Antony etc. As much as I'd like Onana to play through it and get better, he's not going to get that time here, the pressure will only get worse.
He gave a penalty away and got Casemiro sent off
No chance
ETH already said he played Onana in the league cup in order to build his confidence in a new team. We're going to play him into form. Hopefully it works
ETH already said he played Onana in the league cup in order to build his confidence in a new team. We're going to play him into form. Hopefully it works
I was surprised he didn't start today to be honest, but I understand ten hag felt like he couldn't gamble on a game like this. How that backfired.
He's not going to gamble against someone like Brentford who could absolutely slice through our defence, not to mention smash Onana's confidence. Will have to wait till the FA cup now I imagine.
He's not going to gamble against someone like Brentford who could absolutely slice through our defence, not to mention smash Onana's confidence. Will have to wait till the FA cup now I imagine.
That bollocking he gave Maguire feels like another life time. I just hope there’s someone giving him the same treatment for a run of absolutely shite form.
Yep, that pass was poor. Was talking about the goals/save attempts.