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Originally posted by christiepark_boy:
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If they haven't won, why do i feel so bloody miserable ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

This fact makes me feel even more miserable (actually, I've cried)
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Did he also say he was staying on? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

No, he hasn't talked about that, only about the game. But this defeat could make him stay, as he has never won a champion's league...
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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The formation didn't cost us. We had two sure goals cleared off the line. That's what cost us.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well we'll never know. But I feel more confident with 4-4-2, and we might have had more goals cleared off the line with that system!!
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Originally posted by GiggsysGirl:
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i'm crying right now :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

Quit your crying lass. We'll thrash Arsenal.
ps. tell Giggsy i want a word with him about tonights performance ;)
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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The formation didn't cost us. We had two sure goals cleared off the line. That's what cost us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

15 minutes wasted at the start of the second half didn't help.

The Ole supporters on this site must have cheered when terry venables said to change it at half time, but we had to waste the usual next 15 minutes before we started to change things with the substitutions. It wasn't just Ole, but Veron moved to his best position, Scholes managed to get into the game etc etc.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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We had been so good against la Coruna...</strong><hr></blockquote>


But we have been much too inconsistent at Old Trafford - it used to be a fortress.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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The formation didn't cost us. We had two sure goals cleared off the line. That's what cost us.</strong><hr></blockquote>What about their shot that hit the post and the Silvestre penalty that could have been given against you. At one point they had Lucio, Ballack and Neuville all limping and Lucio still managed to take the ball off Giggs, outpace him and clear the ball before collapsing again injured. Only Keane had that sort of guts and effort on your side. Two evenly matched sides but they wanted it more.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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Quit your crying lass. We'll thrash Arsenal.
ps. tell Giggsy i want a word with him about tonights performance ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

u never let me wallow!!!

ps. when i'm done comforting him ;)
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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The formation didn't cost us. We had two sure goals cleared off the line. That's what cost us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

also a defensive slip.. TBH they didn't create that much..


BTW Blanc was excellent, once again.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But we have been much too inconsistent at Old Trafford - it used to be a fortress.</strong><hr></blockquote>

we always had a team full of passion before this year tho Liv. Pity we couldnt inject them all with Keanos blood or something.
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Originally posted by morpheus:
<strong>What about their shot that hit the post and the Silvestre penalty that could have been given against you. At one point they had Lucio, Ballack and Neuville all limping and Lucio still managed to take the ball off Giggs, outpace him and clear the ball before collapsing again injured. Only Keane had that sort of guts and effort on your side. Two evenly matched sides but they wanted it more.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They had two legitimate chances on goal. Neuville's woodwork shot, and his goal. We had our goal, and two that were cleared off the line. That's 2-3 to us. I have no excuses though. Bayer were the better side over two legs.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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we always had a team full of passion before this year tho Liv. Pity we couldnt inject them all with Keanos blood or something.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the passion was still there, even Juan looked slightly agrieved at times! it was just practically a new team that needs time. give it a season and we'll be formidable again! we did the treble off the back of nowt rememeber...
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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we always had a team full of passion before this year tho Liv. Pity we couldnt inject them all with Keanos blood or something.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who would you say lacks passion?
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Originally posted by morpheus:
<strong>What about their shot that hit the post and the Silvestre penalty that could have been given against you. At one point they had Lucio, Ballack and Neuville all limping and Lucio still managed to take the ball off Giggs, outpace him and clear the ball before collapsing again injured. Only Keane had that sort of guts and effort on your side. Two evenly matched sides but they wanted it more.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't say they wanted it more (how can one want a european cup final LESS?!), but they were better. As for Silvestre's penalty - there wasn't. I think it was clean and it was out of the box anyway.
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Originally posted by morpheus:
<strong> Two evenly matched sides but they wanted it more.</strong><hr></blockquote>


That is one of the most stupid remarks in football and is used far too often.

We wanted it just as much - they just had the necessary luck, and played really well in both ties.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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That is one of the most stupid remarks in football and is used far too often.

We wanted it just as much - they just had the necessary luck, and played really well in both ties.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, and don't forget we were without Beckham and Gary Neville, that some players were recovering from injury and others had to play out of their usual position.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Who would you say lacks passion?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think it's the difference between "i wanna go to the Final!" and "i wanna take this team to the Final!" both r converted in2 passion but only one really works in the end!

JSV just has to learn to love us is all! and no i'm not slating him, i think he'll be phenomenal for us, he just needs to get who "us" really is!
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Originally posted by GiggsysGirl:
<strong>give it a season and we'll be formidable again!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not with this defense we won't. :(
And not with a midfield that for whatever reasons (Veron, Sir Alex's tactics or whatever, I'm no genious) won't work as well as during the treble season even though they're almost the same players (not hard to spot the odd one out). YES they can still batter the cannon fodder but against decent opposition... sigh. And no matter how good Ruud is, he can't run enough on his own up front to match the movement of Cole and Yorke back then. (Thinking back, it makes me so sad to see where they are now)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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We wanted it just as much - they just had the necessary luck, and played really well in both ties.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i dont think they were any more lucky than us. remember Oles goal in the first game? They just played better than us and had more composure over the 2 legs. They defended bloody brilliantly too.

I wouldnt like to think how many times i cursed at the telly in the 2nd half..one goal was all we needed. Their rightback could barely move because he was carrying a groin strain, Lucio could barely move, Ballack was hobblin, & Placente got a right boot on the head from Lucio...yet still the likes of Giggs couldnt take them on. I honestly think the way giggsy played tonight, he couldnt have gone round a tree.
AND why the feck was Veron playing centre half at the end? AAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH
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At the end of the season, the main problem imo is the one that was there at the start.

We don't have a strong defence. We have some excellent defenders, but as a unit, forget it. True there have been some good games, but we need a defence that is rock solid in all games. Or 95 per cent at least.

(Oh well - time to take The Entertainer off the mobile....)
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>I honestly think the way giggsy played tonight, he couldnt have gone round a tree.
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:mad: grrr <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> now u gone too far!

i would gladly take 3 bad Giggsy games for every one match winning performance!

;) tho mate!
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Originally posted by Giggsy-Becks:
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Ps: Forlan is not a football player, he's a walking ancient Uruguayan curse spell, the poor lad.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What makes you say that? I think he did well for the few minutes he was given. He did more in that time than Giggs in the whole match. Sure you wouldn't say that if Placente hadn't cleared off the line. Now, would you?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>At the end of the season, the main problem imo is the one that was there at the start.

We don't have a strong defence. We have some excellent defenders, but as a unit, forget it. True there have been some good games, but we need a defence that is rock solid in all games. Or 95 per cent at least.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Liv its just the way we play.. nesta, stam and samuel would struggle in our team. However, its important we buy a quality CB this summer...


..iam already looking forward to next season ;)
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Originally posted by GiggsysGirl:
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i would gladly take 3 bad Giggsy games for every one match winning performance!
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<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> ok, maybe 2!
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Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>What makes you say that? I think he did well for the few minutes he was given. He did more in that time than Giggs in the whole match. Sure you wouldn't say that if Placente hadn't cleared off the line. Now, would you?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course not, the fact that he gets into positions, gets fine shots away on goal but gets every damn one (so far) saved or cleared of the line was the whole point. Seems he's not supposed to score. Some expat City fan witch doctor in the jungle outside Montevideo must have rattled some of his bones on the day the lad signed for us :mad:
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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Liv its just the way we play.. nesta, stam and samuel would struggle in our team. However, its important we buy a quality CB this summer...


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I don't agree. Yes we play cavalier football. Yes we will have games when we conced sloppy goals. But the defence with Pally and Bruce was pretty solid.
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what is the reason why we sold Stam, who here, has looked formidable ?
 
Originally posted by ryangiggsisno1:
<strong>what is the reason why we sold Stam, who here, has looked formidable ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ignore the gossip about ghost-written books..Fergie sold Stam because the defence last season was an embarrassment against Real Madrid, and looked even worse in pre-season, in the charity shield, and in the early season games(remember Fulham and Saha !).

We needed to improve, and through signing Blanc we have improved. We haven't gone out tonight because of the defence, but because we haven't managed to get a group of high quality midfield players to work together effectively in a formation which brings out the best in them.
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Originally posted by ryangiggsisno1:
<strong>what is the reason why we sold Stam, who here, has looked formidable ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

the book. a few players fell out with him, altho' i doubt they wanted him to leave...

pity, coz a blanc and stam partnership could've made the difference.
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I'm not sure about it; our defence is our weakness.
3 times up 3 times we were reached.

In 1999 Stam was super.
Last year our Gary Neville was playing like my grandma, remember?
 
Originally posted by christiepark_boy:
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Ignore the gossip about ghost-written books..Fergie sold Stam because the defence last season was an embarrassment against Real Madrid, and looked even worse in pre-season, in the charity shield, and in the early season games(remember Fulham and Saha !).

We needed to improve, and through signing Blanc we have improved. We haven't gone out tonight because of the defence, but because we haven't managed to get a group of high quality midfield players to work together effectively in a formation which brings out the best in them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The sane thing to do in that case would have been to KEEP Jaap and play him AND Blanc. It wasn't as if we needed £16m to buy Blanc. You may choose to ignore gossip about the book, but then you might want to choose to unignore gossip about Fergie noticing the dutch FA had been pumping Jaap full of drugs before Jaap himself did and just wanting to get rid. Whatever, I won't pretend I actually know anything
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Originally posted by Giggsy-Becks:
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The sane thing to do in that case would have been to KEEP Jaap and play him AND Blanc. It wasn't as if we needed £16m to buy Blanc. You may choose to ignore gossip about the book, but then you might want to choose to unignore gossip about Fergie noticing the dutch FA had been pumping Jaap full of drugs before Jaap himself did and just wanting to get rid. Whatever, I won't pretend I actually know anything</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't want to respond to the drugs comment, other than to say that we certainly did seem to want to get rid of Stam quickly. I've thought about your suggestion that a sane manager would have played Stam AND Blanc together ..although I admire them both, do you think that as a combination they may have been slightly lacking in speed ???
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Originally posted by Giggsy-Becks:
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The sane thing to do in that case would have been to KEEP Jaap and play him AND Blanc. It wasn't as if we needed £16m to buy Blanc. You may choose to ignore gossip about the book, but then you might want to choose to unignore gossip about Fergie noticing the dutch FA had been pumping Jaap full of drugs before Jaap himself did and just wanting to get rid. Whatever, I won't pretend I actually know anything</strong><hr></blockquote>

If Fergie believed Stam was past his best, then he's done well to get 16m for him. I don't Fergie knew anything about drugs (the manager would know before the player who takes them ?!), he just wanted him out.

The timing was wrong ofcource, but we didn't really look better with Jaap than without him.
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Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>(the manager would know before the player who takes them ?!)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, because the club doctors who take the tests tell Fergie first and ask him what they should do. About the speed thing, Jaap and Blanc might not have been very suited to each other in that department, but I still think that 'improving' the defense by replacing the best CB (which he was even if his form wasn't the best) instead of getting new blood in instead of someone else doesn't make much sense. But as previously stated I'm no genious.
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