Bastian Schweinsteiger

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I've not seen him play all that much, but from what I've seen wouldn't he be playing instead of Fletcher rather than Carrick? He looks like Fletcher but with loads of extra drive/impact thrown in.

He's also got the most German name ever, which means we'd automaticaly win every single penalty shootout...including the ones we're not even involved in.
 
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noodlehair said:
I've not seen him play all that much, but from what I've seen wouldn't he be playing instead of Fletcher rather than Carrick? He looks like Fletcher but with loads of extra drive/impact thrown in.

He's also got the most German name ever, which means we'd automaticaly win every single penalty shootout...including the ones we're not even involved in.
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I think that Carrick and Schweinsteiger would be bumping into each other as they play practically in the same spot. The is more chance of Fletcher forming a partnership with the German in my opinion. Although you're right, Fletcher & Schweinsteiger do look like each other.
 
Allforone said:
Haven't the German rulers made it categorically clear he will not be sold and will be there until he either signs a new deal or his contract is up in 2012?
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If he refuses to sign a new deal soon, the Germans will sell them, regardless of what they are saying now. They aren't stupid, they'd take money for the player rather than losing out on 30m in a years time.
 
Whoever played next to him, he'd be absolutely ideal for United. He's exactly the player we need, a real presence in midfield, an all-rounder, a leader with both authority and creativity.

Personally I'd start him with Carrick if we were playing 4-4-2. But we might not get him and even if we do Fergie might not ask me.
 
SATA said:
Question is would Fergie even be interested?

I don't really see what's the fuss over him to be honest. Seems similiar to Michael Carrick with probably abit more balls of steel.
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He's a fantastic player then.
 
He'd compliment Carrick or Fletcher in a 4-4-2 as he is a more talented and attack-minded midfielder capable of running a game alongside a more defensively-minded midfielder.

Whether he could partner Anderson in a 4-4-2 is debatable as they're both pretty attack-minded and it could yield results similar to whenever Ando and Scholsey have been paired together aka a disaster.

In a 4-3-3 however.. with Carrick sitting and Bastian and Anderson dovetailing in front of him with more creative roles, it would be a pretty mouthwatering midfield. Schweinsteiger has it in him to be a regular goalscorer from midfield too, great shooting technique with either foot.

Another factor is that when he was younger he was a pretty good player out wide too... so he is a versatile player and would be an absolute bargain at £12m, but these type of signings are very rare for United and whenever we do go for them.. they end up being cursed.
 
We should have kept Zoran Tosic as he is superior to Bastian Schweinsteiger in most departments: testament to that is his superior skills in pulling out this outrageous celebration :



which is rather obviously executed with more pizzazz and determination than this



there's not enough coordination between the left arm wave-move and the right arm wave-move in Schweinsteiger's celebration ... that's obvious

just kidding it's a joke... a bad one
 
United's only real chance of getting Schwein is on a bosman if he really really wants to join United. The Bayern directors would rather eat a Ollie Kahn turd than sell Schweinsteiger to United. They let Ballacks contract expire rather than selling him, they are a stubborn bunch.
 
Brwned said:
I dunno, look at it this way...

Here's Berbatov against Blackburn and Everton last year:

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Here's Ozil against Australia and Serbia.

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Ozil's number 8, by the way. You can't see his number properly in the Australia game because the substitute Cacau occupied pretty much the same position, which is what I'm talking about really. Ozil played a clear line ahead of midfield, whether you want to call that attacking midfield or second striker is up to you, but they're both almost exactly the same distances away from goal and ahead of their midfield (if anything Berbatov's closer to our midfield and further from goal).

Also worth noting that their midfielders line up in similar positions, and again if anything it's Germany's midfield - and Schweinsteiger v Australia in particular - that is further forward. That's only because Australia got battered, though. Still it shows that they don't occupy different spaces even if the way they interpret the roles are different, I think.

Regardless over how we distinguish between formations we can see that positionally they're not that different, and that the difference between what we perceive to be 433 and 442 doesn't really matter because of how it's applied, in this case.
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He does play deeper for Germany than he does for Bayern right now, if you look at the last two games (ones I've be able to catch, not earlier ones mind you) he plays behind the striker just at the edge of the circle and present a very attack minded option (making runs, 1-2's, dropping off to take long shots), an option I think he would be fantastic at.

@Leverkusen (Sweinsteiger is #31)
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Now being away from home you can see he was instructed to play a bit tighter to the DM's and also perhaps due to the quality of Leverkusen wasnt able to push forward as much
v Frankfurt (Sweinsteiger is #31)
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Here he is much further forward than the away match at Leverkusen and was much more offensively active

I also think him along side Carrick would be interesting, Carrick sitting deeper and using his passing range to full effect or even fletcher with his terrier like work rate.

I think he would be a wonderful addition to our squad and although they have proven to be a team willing to let stars see out their contract, they might budge if the right price is met. A price from all the noise with rooneygate that we may be willing to spend.
 
How much different is his role for Bayern Munich compared to his role for Germany?

I was just looking at his stats in Wikipedia. He has 24 goals in 230 league games for Bayern, whilst amazingly 21 goals in 84 games for Germany. That's one in four for Germany, whilst one in nine/ten for Bayern.

Also, considering he is only gone 26, playing 84 times for Germany already is astounding.
 
Name Changed said:
How much different is his role for Bayern Munich compared to his role for Germany?
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I think he plays higher up the pitch for Bayern because they don't really have a good playmaker. But for Germany, he is like Scholes for United - more of a deep lying playmaker because he has players like Ozil in front of him.
 
Most of his goals for Germany came when he was playing as a winger (I assume...)
 
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I think that Carrick and Schweinsteiger would be bumping into each other as they play practically in the same spot. The is more chance of Fletcher forming a partnership with the German in my opinion. Although you're right, Fletcher & Schweinsteiger do look like each other.
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Really?

Again, I've not seen the pig mounter play all that many times (basically just the Germany games in major tournaments, and the odd Bayern match), but he strikes me as being all action. He's got plenty of quality but I reckon he'd push forwards and add the drive while Carrick would sit and pick things from deep...a bit like how Anderson and Carrick work as a pair when they both click.

With Fletcher I can see it being suspect in terms of leaving us too open. Fletcher's not really a holding player or sitting deep type, and from what I've seen Schweinsteiger even less so. Schweinsteiger's more the kind of player we've been slightly unfairly trying to turn Fletcher into this season, imo.

Still, Bayern wont sell their best player, expecially not when he's got such a German name. People need to not underestimate just how German sounding his name is.
 
And it's not just the name, he's about the most German-looking thing possible. You could stuff a pair of lederhosen full of sausages and teach it engineering, and it wouldn't be as German as Schweinsteiger.

I thought in this last WC he played quite deep though. He rampaged into the box on occasion but mostly he orchestrated play from deep and he did quite a lot of tackling. He basically looked like Stefan Effenberg, but even more German.
 
However german Schweinsteiger may be, his hair lets him down when using the official FIFA Hargometer. Which is disappointing and is most likely why Sir Alex won't pursue this puesdo-tutonic midfield Generalfeldmarschall. Some say he's the best since Rommel.
 
Ist Unt DeustchShaften List of Generalfieldmarschall's:

1.) Erwin Rommel
2.) Franz Beckenbauer (Der Kaiser)
3.) Heinrich Himmler (Der Twatenshaften)
4.) Bastien Sweinsteiger (Der PigMolestenshafthaus)
5.) Willi Stoph (Roughly, Willy! Stop!)
 
Owen Hargreaves über alles
Er ist unser Ankermann
Obergeneral in dem Enginraum
Aber bocks-zu-bocks gehen kann

Komme endlich der neu Keano
Kaiser unsere midveld?
Oder fur das bissenschnelleresfletcherkrock
Gaben wir scheissloads von geld?
 
Schwein, Frauen, Schwein treu
Schwein Urin, Schwein Song
Er ist Chef im Mittelfeld
die größte seit
Heir Wüstenfuchs Rommel
inspirieren uns zu Europa Herrlichkeit
nicht, da Deutschland zu sehen
Polen überfallen
Schweiny, Schweiny, Schweiny, Schweiny
Ich möchte Ihre wifey ridey
 
Is Mud, mud actually used as a football chant? I'm racking my brains...

if there wasn't an RVN version, there shoud've been:

Ruud, Ruud,
Glorious Ruud,
You looked great in red
And no doubt the nude
Cos you were so hunky
Made full-backs look clunky
And Keown a monkey
O glorious Ruud

That turned out a mite gayer than I'd anticipated...
 
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