No one seems to be talking about this being a proper LVG signing. That's huge for me, a player the manager knows and trusts. Let's start to think of this as LVGs 'Jim Leighton Moment'
Bastian Schweinsteiger | Signed for MUFC - confirmed.
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I don't think, it's about that. Quite a lot of United fans, myself included, rather enjoy seeing some less known player become a great player than signing said player. It's easier to identify with and quite simply more enjoyable, even if we are going to lose that player eventually. Bayern fans don't like this because Schweinsteiger is or was exactly that player for them.
1pm CET or BST? So could this mean he wants to say something about Schweinsteiger leaving, maybe saying a fee agreed?
Butt played quite a lot that year actually, he was picked over Scholes a fair amount especially big away games in the CL.
Butt and P.Neville were definitely not on the same level as Giggs, Scholes, Beckham or G.Neville but they were still very good players in their own right.
You make a fair point regarding De Gea, but still for me part of the attraction of United has been that we arent just another City or Chelsea going out splurging hundreds of millions on galacticos every summer, but rather trying to build a team up the 'right' way.
LVG has a great record for bringing youth through, and he gave debuts to several players last year, fair play to him. If anything, I actually think Woodward is probably the one orchestrating some of the muppetry, he seems like the kid with a big wad of cash who wants to prove to his friends how rich he is by going out buying the most expensive toys he can find, whether he actually wants them or not.
My concern is that last season Wilson barely got a look in, Januzaj struggled to get consistent gametime after a great debut season under Moyes. We shipped out Welbeck, we look like we are shipping out Rafael and Evans this summer. I realise that not every player is automatically going to be good enough to be first choice for United, but Januzaj, Rafael, Welbeck and Wilson could have all played a big part last season and future ones as well. We will never know if they are good enough until we give them a chance - look at what happened with Pogba.
If that turns out to be the case then great - although at that point I would have to question how we are giving gametime in midfield to Carrick, Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Fellaini and potentially Blind or Di Maria.
My beef with the signing is primarily that I already see Carrick as being a player who can go on for a couple more years - it wasnt a position that we needed a short term signing in. We dont as far as I am aware have any CM youngsters knocking on the door to the first team, so for me the sensible option is to buy someone like Schneiderlin who can establish himself as first choice for many years to come.
Four years is plenty of time, the situation is nothing like Falcao.
Haven't gone through the last couple of pages so is there solid confirmation we're definitely signing him? Would be really happy. Guy is a leader and very positive - we need that! Most of our lot are too 'nice'. Along with him and Memphis - we'll have some kick ass personalities to balance things out.
Good buy as long as he's not your only CM signing - him and Schniederlin would be good business in that area of the pitch if you bring both in.
Let's be perfectly clear here. It's a fecking magnificent signing.
Who gives a shit about the wages? It looks like he'll be getting around 140k a week which is far less than other, much less effective players. It's also very much a signing Fergie would have made for such quality.
Blanc, Larsson and Van Persie prove that Fergie wasn't averse to taking a punt on huge quality and experience. Sir Alex was also always talking about having a blend of youth and experience. There's no way he'd be happy with the current imbalance of age and caps in our squad.
I'd agree with anyone who says they'll be upset if we don't bring in Schneiderlin because I think he is exactly the signing we need. But that doesn't take from the fact this is a brilliant capture for us.
Who gives a shit about the wages? It looks like he'll be getting around 140k a week which is far less than other, much less effective players. It's also very much a signing Fergie would have made for such quality.
Blanc, Larsson and Van Persie prove that Fergie wasn't averse to taking a punt on huge quality and experience. Sir Alex was also always talking about having a blend of youth and experience. There's no way he'd be happy with the current imbalance of age and caps in our squad.
I'd agree with anyone who says they'll be upset if we don't bring in Schneiderlin because I think he is exactly the signing we need. But that doesn't take from the fact this is a brilliant capture for us.
Germany are an hour ahead of us, so are Bayern presenting their team at 1 p.m. their time?
Already been confirmed he's not there anyway
Schweinsteiger is not the most expensive toy Woodward can find. Falcao and ADM were expensive buys but Falcao deal didnt payed out and I'm sure ADM will come good and will prove to be a good buy.
Januzaj is still young, maybe will be loaned to have soem game time.
Evans is not good enough and should be shipped. Rafael is injured too much. And I have no regrets whatsoever about Welbeck, his season in Arsenal proves we were right to sell him. I'm sure Wilson will get his chances.
Neither of them is Pogba's calibre I think.
That is the great question. But a problem you would rather have than not have.
Thanks.
I've been saying this. Huge benefit is that he won't have issued with regard to the system.
I have no doubt that Schweinsteiger will add something to the team - that's pretty obvious. What's more he's an old favourite of LvG so will buy into the much vaunted philosophy. Nevertheless this signing is with the immediate future in mind only with reports suggesting that Schweinstieger is not the player of old. Then again, as with RvP, if he has one more championship in him who cares? Well, LvG wont! My biggest misgiving in this is that we appear to be passing up the opportunity to sign Schneiderln who, along with Matic, was arguably the best midfielder in the PL last season. With lots of money still to be expended on a centre back and a striker, almost certainly LvG has no intention of signing two central midfielders. It's a great pity really but we'll see what happens.
3 years is plenty. We can't afford another 2 years finishing 4th-7th.
Stam was only here 3 years, RVP probably as well. It's enough time for a big impact.
If you are replacing the spine of your team every 3 years you will never achieve any sort of consistent success in my opinion. I made a thread about this a while back called "Great teams are built, not bought".
The thing is, I guess I think that we already have a player in the squad who ticks virtually all the same boxes that Schweinsteiger does - Michael Carrick. He had injuries last year but that has not been the norm for him. He is an experienced head, he plays largely the same position and is regarded as one of the best in that position.
If we go by the assumption that we are signing Schneiderlin, then that would have put us with Carrick, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Fellaini with Blind as backup. I dont see the need to add in a Schweinsteiger on top of that, he essentially has the same role in the squad as Carrick, who I am confident will give us at least another couple of good years anyway.
Or we also sign Morgan Schnielderin, which refutes more or less everything you and @Pogue are saying.
It baffles me that we are being criticised, again, for some kind of short term acquisition strategy when we've just binned Van Persie. We also binned Falcao, who turned out to be a sensible no win-no fee loan gamble, (the much-loved Chelsea are now taking a punt on him even after us).
Last summer we signed the best young defender in the country, as well as other players like Rojo, Blind and Herrera who are entering their prime. And so far this summer we've signed a very exciting winger in Depay, the very essence of Ferguson strategy, as well as a young right back entering his prime.
In over two years since Ferguson retired we've signed one player aged 30+. That's Victor Valdes, a goalkeeper. Arsenal have quite rightly been praised only a few weeks ago for similar practice.
If we sign Schweinsteiger then that's one outfield player above 30 out of TEN first team arrivals under the new regime. Tell me, where is the long term thinking in that?
Basically, we're no longer looking to bring in cheap rubbish like we started to under Ferguson. Plus, the notion that you buy young players to "take over" from more experienced ones has comprehensively failed here at United. Players learn nothing by fecking about on a bench. They either replace the older players or they don't, otherwise you're left with a rotten situation in that talented young players lose out at the expense of pandering to geriatrics.
Nani, Anderson, Smalling, Jones. All bought with intention of "taking over." Nani did well, Anderson failed and the jury is still out on the latter pair. It's risky strategy, and doesn't guarantee long term success anything like people think.
Some people are worried that this will mean less game time for all our midfielders, whilst others think both Carrick and Schweinsteiger will be injured all season-long, leaving us fecked 
Can't believe we're getting him; much more excited about this than I ever was for Falcao...
Can't believe we're getting him; much more excited about this than I ever was for Falcao...
I've always said that I prefer younger signings but not when the price involved is low. Who would have turned down Alonso last summer? It's silly. You're getting a chance to sign someone who could potentially be a leader, a calming influence and who fits in well with the system. Will it work out? feck knows. But it's one that makes too much sense not to indulge in
I had a conversation with my friend just yesterday about this whn he said Bastian is a maybe just too old. We need experience. If we sign Otamnedi and Morgan, Rooney (and De Gea if he stay and he is young too) could be only player in first eleven who was here last season.
................................De Gea (24)
Darmian (25) - Smalling (25) - Otamendi (27) - Shaw (20)
........................Bastian (30) - Morgan (25)
..................................Herrera (25)
...............Di Maria (27).................Depay (21)
..................................Rooney (29)
With Blind (25), Mata (27), Wilson (19), Jones (23), Young (30), Rojo (25), Carrick (34 this month), Valencia (30 in august) or Rafael (25.
Yes some players will have birthday soon (Bastian (31), Herrera (26) both in august...) but this team is as young as it gets. Only one players in first eleven older than 30.
If you consider we lost experience of Giggs, Scholes, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand in recent years we need his experience more then anytime before. It is a great deal.
Just seen the reports
Brilliant Always liked him.
Brilliant
Always liked him.Yep!
I live in Germany and have been watching him for years and you're telling me he doesn't have it, because you watched him against Dortmund in the cup?
Mate, if others are telling you he was great at the WC and you don't even rate him, there's a chance you might just be wrong. If you can't spot the idiot in a room it might just be you.
Let's wait and see how it turns out, you might be right although I doubt it.
Nailed it.
? What a lot of rubbish Rory, Leighton was a good GK who failed in a step up Bastian is a champion that has excelled at every level.
I wouldn't go that far.
Except our whole team is young or at the right age so you're completely wrong on this one.
We have a young left back, a right back at a good age, all three centre backs are fairly young, Herrera and blind are at a good age, delay is young, Di Maria is in his prime, mata in his prime, januzaj is young. Also, young himself is young. You act as if half our squad is full of 30 yer olds that need replacing soon.
More than just his obvious ability we're bringing some much needed genuine leadership and winning mentality into our side. A proper old school midfield general.
Over the fecking moon with this. Hope we still get Schneiderlin as well.
Over the fecking moon with this. Hope we still get Schneiderlin as well.
My favourite non-United player ever. Can't believe we're gonna see him in a United jersey. Hasn't sunk in at all yet.
He's pure class and he still has so much to give, amazing signing.
He's pure class and he still has so much to give, amazing signing.
I think Herrera and Schneiderlin would be fixtures in a 3 man midfield with Carrick and Schweinsteiger sharing the third spot. Blind will share left back duties with Shaw and cover midfield during an injury crisis.
I don't think Di Maria has the midfield game for the prem, he'll be used exclusively as a wide attacker and as much as Fellaini was effective for us when we needed him last year, if I'm brutally honest, we cannot expect to be a side competing at the top of European football if we're reliant on his... charms.
2pm CET is the press conference
3pm CET is the team presentation
There will be a Schweinsteiger in the Arena... Tobi playing with the Allstars. He ended his career last season and is now assistant of the U17 coach.
3pm CET is the team presentation
There will be a Schweinsteiger in the Arena... Tobi playing with the Allstars. He ended his career last season and is now assistant of the U17 coach.
Any truths to the reports that he is on his way to MCR?
Comparisons to Falcao are very, very tenuous. This is a van Gaal signing with the perfect skill set to fulfil the role in an area we desperately need to strengthen. Falcao was a Woodward/Mendes signing with the wrong skill set in an area we didn't need to strengthen.
Falcao was a signing to show the world we could still attract world class players and afford the biggest wages even when out of the champions league. Schweinsteiger is a relatively low cost signing to take us one step closer to challenging in the PL and CL.
Hopefully by the time he begins to decline we'll have Pereira ready to step up having been eased in over the next couple of years.
Falcao was a signing to show the world we could still attract world class players and afford the biggest wages even when out of the champions league. Schweinsteiger is a relatively low cost signing to take us one step closer to challenging in the PL and CL.
Hopefully by the time he begins to decline we'll have Pereira ready to step up having been eased in over the next couple of years.
I think all the doubters, specifically those who are concerned about United buying success, need to remember that LVG has 2 years left on his contract and will bring in whomever he feels gives him a chance of winning. If Schweini is that man, who are we to argue?
Yea, the Falcao comparison is a strange one.
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