Barthez out, Sorensen in

Barthez is a world class shot stopper ..Full stop.
I agree with getting behind the shirts but I think we need a more complete keeper to fill his .
IMO we should let him go
 
Claiming Barthez is just a great shot stopper is stupid (and awfully forgetful for the reasons we bought him and for his first season).

I don't know what happened to him last season, but he's much, MUCH better than that.
 
Originally posted by rosky1965:
<strong>barthez is still world class;let`s just bring in some serious competition for his place,Recber for instance just to keep him on his toes,just like during his first season at OT.... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

That might work, but Fergie might be hesitant to splash the cash on an extra squad member without offlading someone. IMO Barthez is going..I just have the feeling.
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Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>Claiming Barthez is just a great shot stopper is stupid (and awfully forgetful for the reasons we bought him and for his first season).

I don't know what happened to him last season, but he's much, MUCH better than that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Personal problems, but he won't talk about that.

He's not only a great stopper, his distribution is great, he can make decisive passes (Trezeguet should have scored on one of them vs Senegal), can launch attacks , runs fast and can cut the actions with his anticipation.

From what I've seen during this WC, even if he was slightly injured for the last game, he should be on form next year.
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A few people have hit the nail on the head here, Barthez is the best shot stopper in the world, and his distribution is great. He also has great agility and safe hands, few goalies catch the ball as soundlessly and gracefully as he does - that natural talent is rare. But not irreplacable.

As soon as these things are no longer world class, he is no longer a world class goalie. His distribution has been poor and wasteful and his shot stopping has been inconsistant. It should be partly his job to keep the defence on their toes, not the other way around.

He will stay and he will continue to entertain us with his antics, they should not be removed from his game, I like it and dont blame him for his mistakes. Its his actual goal keeping which has gotten worse and thats when he should be replaced.
 
Originally posted by Elfie:
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The Mexican keeper's is 10 cm shorter than Fab's, and he's good.
:mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>


How do you know?
;)
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Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>A few people have hit the nail on the head here, Barthez is the best shot stopper in the world, and his distribution is great. He also has great agility and safe hands, few goalies catch the ball as soundlessly and gracefully as he does - that natural talent is rare. But not irreplacable.

As soon as these things are no longer world class, he is no longer a world class goalie. His distribution has been poor and wasteful and his shot stopping has been inconsistant. It should be partly his job to keep the defence on their toes, not the other way around.

He will stay and he will continue to entertain us with his antics, they should not be removed from his game, I like it and dont blame him for his mistakes. Its his actual goal keeping which has gotten worse and thats when he should be replaced.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Err..you seem to be contradicting yourself.
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I probably should've used alot more was's instead of so many is's.

But thats Barthez for you. Inconsistant, unpredictable brilliance. Is he still great? Is he just having a bad period? Is it just his inconsistancy or has he really gotten worse as a goal keeper?

I'm undecided about Barthez, just wanted to enthuse that we shouldnt sell him for his antics. At his best, his goalkeeping ability is worth it. Just.
 
Barthez isn't and never was a great keeper. He's average, perhaps a touch above, and we're stuck with him for the moment. C'est la vie.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>How many of you get a confident feeling when Barthez is between the sticks ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I cant imagine another keeper doing better than him behind Man utds defence last season.
You saw how Dudek reacted to the extra pressure in the Polish games. He looked grand behind the tight Pool defence and boring tactics but when hes in the spotlight and the pressure is on hes average.
If we were to sign a new keeper, whoever he was he would be a huge risk and the pressure on him would be immense as if we were to sign a new keeper he would probably go for well over 10 mill.
Barthez is still one of the worlds top keepers, the fact that his image has been tarnished recently should only help us.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>How many of you get a confident feeling when Barthez is between the sticks ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

To be honest, no, but then with our defence I'm not happy whoever starts.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Barthez isn't and never was a great keeper. He's average, perhaps a touch above, and we're stuck with him for the moment. C'est la vie.</strong><hr></blockquote>

AVERAGE !

:mad: :mad: :mad: Sometimes I wish I had a gun.


He's everything but average ! You don't understand nothing.

Not a week without a topic concerning him, or several. And he thinks United supporters support him. He should read what's written about him on the Internet. No he shouldn't.

That is too much. Soon I'll be on holidays, and anyway I don't give a feck about who will the WC now France has been eliminated (not Fab's fault) :mad:

I'm off this forum for some time, it will be better for me.

Barthez haters, you will be quiet.
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relax, elfie, relax

most people i know think barthez is average
 
Originally posted by Elfie:
<strong>Soon I'll be on holidays,

I'm off this forum for some time, it will be better for me.</strong><hr></blockquote>Elfie don't worry about what people think about Fab on the net, it's what Fergie thinks that matters.

Apprécier vos vacances. :D
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>How many of you get a confident feeling when Barthez is between the sticks ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

50/50 on confidence
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Originally posted by Jens:
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most people i know think barthez is average</strong><hr></blockquote>

So I suppose you don't like to hang out with people who understand football. ;)
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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Personal problems, but he won't talk about that.

He's not only a great stopper, his distribution is great, he can make decisive passes (Trezeguet should have scored on one of them vs Senegal), can launch attacks , runs fast and can cut the actions with his anticipation.

From what I've seen during this WC, even if he was slightly injured for the last game, he should be on form next year.</strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

He's a creative genius and his anticipation is fantastic...enabling him to cut out attacks...a point proven with his excellent dash against Urugauay..

This was of course due to his personal problems..

Oh and injury
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Originally posted by Murt:
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I cant imagine another keeper doing better than him behind Man utds defence last season.
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Yeah no one could have done any better...

A dodgy defense makes you roll the ball out to an opposing striker and sprint out of the box to fanny about for no apparant reason..

Good point
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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AVERAGE !

:mad: :mad: :mad: Sometimes I wish I had a gun.


He's everything but average ! You don't understand nothing.

Not a week without a topic concerning him, or several. And he thinks United supporters support him. He should read what's written about him on the Internet. No he shouldn't.

That is too much. Soon I'll be on holidays, and anyway I don't give a feck about who will the WC now France has been eliminated (not Fab's fault) :mad:

I'm off this forum for some time, it will be better for me.

Barthez haters, you will be quiet.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're a mad thing aintcha Elfie?

Perhaps you should just accept that not everybody shares your opinion on Barthez's ability as a goalkeeper. Why do you think there are so many topics about him?

Quite frankly I think your defence of him verges on hysteria sometimes.
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Want to know how important it is for a keeper to command his area and create confidence......David Seaman for England in the three qualifying matches..... made the saves when it counted, settled the defence when it mattered.

I only hope Barthez comes good next season....no BMT.

<img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
 
I'd prefer a keeper who isn't obsessed with being an entertainer, but rather with preventing goals.
 
We'll see how good Sorensen is against England:
If he can stop Heskey's..ups..I mean Owen's shots, Beckham's free kicks, Campbell's headers, Scholes long range shots, than we shoud get him :D May be some penalties, too...
 
Barthez is not consistent because he prefers to try too many tricks. We'd be better off with Sorensen. And how Sorensen does against England does not change the fact that Barthez is an inconsistent goalkeeper. If he thinks Utd. supporters are behind him, he is wrong and its his own fault that we are not impressed by him.
 
One look at this thread suggests Fabien's days at OT are numbered. :( Shame that, as he has made quite an impression here, but SAF must decide whether he wants a good 'keeper who pleases the crowd or a 'keeper who will prevent less goals.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>One look at this thread suggests Fabien's days at OT are numbered. :( Shame that, as he has made quite an impression here, but SAF must decide whether he wants a good 'keeper who pleases the crowd or a 'keeper who will prevent less goals.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The keeper that doesn't let in goals will always be the crowd pleaser. ;)
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Now he sees the follies of his statement <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Be honest DD. s he really better than Barthez at Fab's best, eh? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Be honest DD. s he really better than Barthez at Fab's best, eh? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope... but he's got the potential to be become better than Barthez... now be honest kemo. How many times have we seen the very best of Barthez this season compared to his failures???
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Good to see that the rumours about JD Tomasson being decent are falsified and all,

Sorensen is just one of literally 1000's of half decent keepers.

utd need someone who can cut the mustard @ OT, Fabien is the man.
 
if I should choice between a Barthez at 110% and a Sørensen on 110% I would choice Sørensen. I think Sørensen have the potential (sp) to become a greater keeper than Schmeichel. But thats just my opinion...
 
FOR DD:
True Barthez has been a flop for a good part of this season DD Impossible to deny.
But our WHOLE team with the exception of Keane were pathetic at either one time or another during the season. And if you think about Barthez's blunders stopped onceour mideseason revivla begumn and never returned. Barthez for me is still one of the best three keepers in the World. I belive he will be better from this season's experience. I fully expect him to prove he is the Best in the prem next year. Hey, he still holds the record fof saves in a game for last season. 10 agaisnt he ase if |I recall correctly......... :)
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>FOR DD:

But our WHOLE team with the exception of Keane were pathetic at either one time or another during the season. </strong><hr></blockquote>

RVN - pathetic...I dont think so. Not brilliant for a few games..yes, but never pathetic.

OGS - He played well every game even if he didn't score.

Gary Neville once again was consistent throughout. Silvestre made a few errors but never more than that. Nicky Butt was also consistent.
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Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>FOR DD:
True Barthez has been a flop for a good part of this season DD Impossible to deny.
But our WHOLE team with the exception of Keane were pathetic at either one time or another during the season. And if you think about Barthez's blunders stopped onceour mideseason revivla begumn and never returned. Barthez for me is still one of the best three keepers in the World. I belive he will be better from this season's experience. I fully expect him to prove he is the Best in the prem next year. Hey, he still holds the record fof saves in a game for last season. 10 agaisnt he ase if |I recall correctly......... :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

The thing I think Sørensen got that Barthez haven't (today's match of course was a exception from this), is that he's consistant (sp?).
Well... I know that sounds like the usual crap, but let me put it in a different perspective:

There's no doubt that Barthez can be BRILLIANT! - But he simply SUCKS too often... As a defender it is very important to know, how much you can depend on your goalie,(i.e. so he knows when he should rather cover the far post or the other!) - I don't think the defenders at United never know where they've got Barthez... should they kick it, or let it go to him... - And then he shows class at times, and they start to depend more on him, as they now think he's back at his best... but then it happens... he fails!

Sørensen's defenders know where they've got him, as he rarely fecks it up! - But again he doesn't make saves like Barthez does when he's 110% going strong!

The 'relationship' between a defender and his goalie, are more psychological than many thinks really! - Give us a consistant goalie, or make Barthez one!
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